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#601 blacky

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 13:49

Another bigger upgrade package for Silverstone, what a brand new car? Doubtful

 

How big or effective the update for Silverstone will be is a good question. I hope it's a bigger one, because let's be honest, after it they will concentrate on next years car as always.



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#602 jwill189

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 14:04

How big or effective the update for Silverstone will be is a good question. I hope it's a bigger one, because let's be honest, after it they will concentrate on next years car as always.

 

IIRC, Krack alluded that this car's biggest upgrade will come around the summer break. Silverstone shouldn't be the final update.



#603 Frankbullitt

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 16:00

Upgrades on the AM looked like they worked well. Plus now they have additional data to build off.

 

Without the life-coast yesterday, Alson probably would have been a good few seconds more ahead of Hamilton. The car looks a bit more well rounded now as well, Spain being the outlier of course.

 

I would have my money on AM over Merc for the remainder of the season as well right now, they have a lot more windtunnel time to use, and the package overall is more known to them at this point.



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Posted 19 June 2023 - 16:12

Upgrades on the AM looked like they worked well. Plus now they have additional data to build off.

Without the life-coast yesterday, Alson probably would have been a good few seconds more ahead of Hamilton. The car looks a bit more well rounded now as well, Spain being the outlier of course.

I would have my money on AM over Merc for the remainder of the season as well right now, they have a lot more windtunnel time to use, and the package overall is more known to them at this point.


Mercedes have got a huge upgrade coming for Silverstone and you are forgetting Mercedes have George in the other seat not Lance Stroll.

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 17:09

Upgrades on the AM looked like they worked well. Plus now they have additional data to build off.

Without the life-coast yesterday, Alson probably would have been a good few seconds more ahead of Hamilton. The car looks a bit more well rounded now as well, Spain being the outlier of course.

I would have my money on AM over Merc for the remainder of the season as well right now, they have a lot more windtunnel time to use, and the package overall is more known to them at this point.


This was a strong track for Aston and Merc were 5 seconds behind. At a more representative track like Barca Aston were 20 seconds behind Merc…plus Merc have an unrefined concept.

#606 AustinF1

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 17:15

Aston Martin reveals cause of Alonso's F1 Canadian GP lift and coast order
Aston Martin says a fuel system error was behind its call for Fernando Alonso to lift and coast in Formula 1’s Canadian Grand Prix.
 
https://us.motorspor... fuel,Formula 1's%20Canadian%20Grand%20Prix.&text=Alonso%20was%20holding%20off%20Mercedes,without%20being%20given%20any%20explanation.
 

 

After the race, team principal Mike Krack revealed that Aston's request was triggered by an apparent issue with the fuel system, which turned out to be a false flag.

 
"We thought we had a problem with the fuel system," Krack said.
 
"But we were not sure, so as a precaution, we said the best is to save some fuel and to do lift and coast."
 
When pressed repeatedly by Motorsport.com, Krack refused to disclose any further details on what the erroneous indication was, simply stating: "We thought we had a problem which did not materialise in the end."
 
By needlessly lifting and coasting, Alonso left lap time on the table but Aston didn't want to take any risk of losing the Spaniard's sixth podium of the season.
 
"How much it costs us? It's difficult to judge. A few tenths, probably, one or two, maybe," said Krack.
 
"It was a precautionary thing. But you can choose between not finishing or arriving with a bit more [fuel], so we wanted to be safe."
 
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In the closing stages, Mercedes told Hamilton that Alonso might have been suffering from brake issues, which raised a few smiles on the Aston pitwall.
 
"I was surprised as well to see the comments," Krack added. 
 
"I think Lewis was told we had a brake issue. We looked at each other and said: 'Oh I guess they know more about our car than we do! We should speak to all the Mercedes engineers.'
 
"But no, we had no problem."

 


Edited by AustinF1, 19 June 2023 - 17:18.


#607 KnucklesAgain

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Posted 19 June 2023 - 17:32

Aston Martin reveals cause of Alonso's F1 Canadian GP lift and coast order
Aston Martin says a fuel system error was behind its call for Fernando Alonso to lift and coast in Formula 1’s Canadian Grand Prix.

https://us.motorspor... fuel,Formula 1's%20Canadian%20Grand%20Prix.&text=Alonso%20was%20holding%20off%20Mercedes,without%20being%20given%20any%20explanation.

 


Yeah Krack said the same abut the supposed fuel system issue directly after the race on German Sky.

 

To be fair to Mercedes, they only knew "lift and coast", so in Canada the most likely cause might be a brake issue. They said "looks like he might be nursing a rear brake issue", or some such. Though saying "rear" was oddly specific (though I guess it's just the result of Chinese whispers until it made it to Lewis's RE)


Edited by KnucklesAgain, 19 June 2023 - 17:56.


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Posted 19 June 2023 - 18:58

Mercedes have got a huge upgrade coming for Silverstone and you are forgetting Mercedes have George in the other seat not Lance Stroll.

 

I am going off the most recent race, plus there is a moving target with all teams, so there is still performance to come from AM in the same way as there is from Merc and RB.

 

At this point, my money is still on Fernando to finish second in the championship.



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Posted 19 June 2023 - 18:59

This was a strong track for Aston and Merc were 5 seconds behind. At a more representative track like Barca Aston were 20 seconds behind Merc…plus Merc have an unrefined concept.

 

AM were nursing an issue with the car also. Merc have had an "unrefined" concept for sometime now, what does that matter?



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Posted 19 June 2023 - 19:31

The battle for second with Merc is turning out to be the most interesting story this year

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Posted 20 June 2023 - 02:40

This was a strong track for Aston and Merc were 5 seconds behind. At a more representative track like Barca Aston were 20 seconds behind Merc…plus Merc have an unrefined concept.

Barca isn't a 'representative' track anymore in F1.

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Posted 20 June 2023 - 06:35

AM were nursing an issue with the car also. Merc have had an "unrefined" concept for sometime now, what does that matter?


They have more scope to improve as the concept is in its infancy and they are still close to Aston Martin

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Posted 20 June 2023 - 08:55

Brilliant result in Canada, and a strong showing with such a huge upgrade package that correlation is good, and their development path is well thought out. Focusing on learning set up with the base car for several races before introducing a big changehas worked well for them. Spain was an outlier with poor tire choice, nothing more. Alonso showed on Hards that the car was strong. Slightly cooler conditions always favour the Mercedes, and the gap was closer than it really could have been.

Without a sensor malfunction, Alonso could have pushed Max and they probably end up an extra 10+ seconds down the road. Lift and coast cost him roughly 9 seconds over 45 laps.

 

This car should become a very clear 2nd best behind the RB19 as they dial in the set up with the upgrade. Second half of the season might be quite interesting - Red Bull will take the foot off the gas with upgrades for the RB19 as they have both titles under control and wasting resources on this season won't make sense. I expect they'll also be focused on developing upper body aero for the RB20 and don't want to give anything away until next season.



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Posted 20 June 2023 - 09:33

They have more scope to improve as the concept is in its infancy and they are still close to Aston Martin

I mean, the Aston concept is also in its infancy. They basically started from zero at the beginning of the year.

 

I do think people are in for a surprise for the second half of this season. Merc, AM and Ferrari will develop very quickly and I'm confident that the days of easy RBR 1-2 finishes is over. 



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Posted 20 June 2023 - 12:01

I mean, the Aston concept is also in its infancy. They basically started from zero at the beginning of the year.

 

I do think people are in for a surprise for the second half of this season. Merc, AM and Ferrari will develop very quickly and I'm confident that the days of easy RBR 1-2 finishes is over. 

 

Perez form has really slumped, and Max didn't look like he was easily cruising in Canada. After the summer break could be really interesting, and I hope Aston Martin keep pushing the competitiveness, and don't stop development too early. 

Not sure how much budget Ferrari have left for the year, which might help them actually, as they definitely need to work more on understanding set up and tires, but usually means they're off the pace in the last 3 - 4 races.

Mercedes seem like they have one more upgrade package coming, that isn't track specific, and their focus will be on next year. I don't think developing this car will help them much, so they could also be off the pace a bit in the last few races.

 

That could be the time for Alonso to pick up a win, hopefully 2 or 3 even, haha



#616 blacky

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Posted 20 June 2023 - 12:10

Wolff said that Mercedes will bring 2 updates until the summer break, one in Silverstone. Aston Martin confirmed one update so far for Silverstone.

 

I am realistic and fear that Mercedes and Ferrari will catch them in the 2nd half of the year because they still have the better ressources.



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Posted 20 June 2023 - 15:21

They have more scope to improve as the concept is in its infancy and they are still close to Aston Martin


AMs concept is just a few races older, and it’s got a broader scope with being right out of the gate. Plus, Merc are still stuck with the basic concept overall, a concept change would require a new chassis, and with the budget cap that’s just not achievable.

AM also have more wind tunnel time, so that bodes very well.

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Posted 21 June 2023 - 02:48

I am realistic and fear that Mercedes and Ferrari will catch them in the 2nd half of the year because they still have the better ressources.


I doubt it.

The only real concerns is Lance Stroll.

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Posted 21 June 2023 - 03:01

yeah,people say something like this after first few races,but they are still decent 2nd fastest car now,I doubt it will change so much for the rest of the year.

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Posted 21 June 2023 - 05:22

Perez form has really slumped, and Max didn't look like he was easily cruising in Canada. After the summer break could be really interesting, and I hope Aston Martin keep pushing the competitiveness, and don't stop development too early.

Not sure how much budget Ferrari have left for the year, which might help them actually, as they definitely need to work more on understanding set up and tires, but usually means they're off the pace in the last 3 - 4 races.

Mercedes seem like they have one more upgrade package coming, that isn't track specific, and their focus will be on next year. I don't think developing this car will help them much, so they could also be off the pace a bit in the last few races.

That could be the time for Alonso to pick up a win, hopefully 2 or 3 even, haha

Everything learned this year is relevant for next year as the rules are stable so developing will still be useful. Horner said that…

AMs concept is just a few races older, and it’s got a broader scope with being right out of the gate. Plus, Merc are still stuck with the basic concept overall, a concept change would require a new chassis, and with the budget cap that’s just not achievable.

AM also have more wind tunnel time, so that bodes very well.


Didn’t they originally change concept in Barca 2022?

They will lose a lot of wind tunnel time in July due to being so high in the WCC

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Posted 21 June 2023 - 10:18

Everything learned this year is relevant for next year as the rules are stable so developing will still be useful. Horner said that…


Didn’t they originally change concept in Barca 2022?

They will lose a lot of wind tunnel time in July due to being so high in the WCC


Of course it's useful, but that doesn't mean they will bring those developments to the track. RBR are severely limited compared to other teams with wind tunnel and CFD runs. Don't look at the percentages, that's fairly meaningless against the real world number of on wind runs they have against others.

They focused development of the RB18 on the suspension and floor for the RB19, combined with the lighter chassis we never saw last year.

The upper body was almost unchanged. There are lots of small details they don't have yet. I am certain that the RB20 will be another evolution of this car, keeping the floor and suspension the same as whatever is on at season end, and developing the upper body.

It wouldn't be a surprise to see the RB20 with different sidepods, engine cover, mirrors and other small vanes and winglets. These will be kept for next year, as there is no point running them now.

It could mean they lose some advantage towards the tail end of the season, but might set the bar again next year with new bodywork nobody has seen.

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Posted 28 July 2023 - 06:21

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Posted 28 July 2023 - 07:48

Lance Stroll is a solid driver who could have a lot of fun and win a lot in anything but F1. I don't think he will want the pressure of F1 after a couple more years. He'd have more fun and be better off in Indycar, rallying or IMSA. Aston Martin will be looking for a driver to replace Lance in a couple years IMO.