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[Redaxo]

The trend of the 2022 season continues: In 2023, the teams reduce the proportion of the surface painted with paint in order to save weight. With few exceptions, this results in the cars becoming darker and difficult to distinguish from each other from certain perspectives and in certain lighting conditions.

 

Should teams in future be required to have a minimum amount of surface area painted with paint, or should teams be allowed to save as much weight as they want through carbon optics?

 

Edited by Redaxo, 23 February 2023 - 09:01.

[Stephane]

As long as sponsors are happy, they will just use as little paint as possible.

The goal is to be fast

[TheFish]

The 2nd question not having a none option makes it hard to answer. I don't care about the carbon instead of paint but I have to pick a team randomly.

[Redaxo]

The 2nd question not having a none option makes it hard to answer. I don't care about the carbon instead of paint but I have to pick a team randomly.

 

Fair point, I added "None"

[PayasYouRace]

Driver number, driver name, car marque badge, safety stickers. That’s the minimum.

Everything else is just vanity.

[JimmyClark]

It's not great, but there's no way I'd bring in a rule to regulate it. Hopefully as teams get on top of the weight issues, it will become less of a problem.

Liveries were already getting pretty naff anyway - it's just all too corporate and unimaginative now. Watch a 1999 race and see how colourful the grid was back then.

[Beri]

The second question which team has used too little color, well there can only be Mercedes. But is it a bad thing? No.

[BRG]

The second question which team has used too little color, well there can only be Mercedes. But is it a bad thing? No.

A bad thing?  No, it is a TERRIBLE thing.  Mercedes should be silver.  End of.

[Beri]

Mercedes should be white. But who is counting? 

[DutchQuicksilver]

Yeah, FIA should make it mandatory for cars to have an actual livery. I mean compare this year’s grid liveries to let’s say 2000 when we had bright colours like red, yellow, blue, green. It’s just ridiculous we’re seeing carbon coloured cars because of weight saving.

[Jops14]

It's not great, but there's no way I'd bring in a rule to regulate it. Hopefully as teams get on top of the weight issues, it will become less of a problem.

Liveries were already getting pretty naff anyway - it's just all too corporate and unimaginative now. Watch a 1999 race and see how colourful the grid was back then.

To be fair they were all very corporate liveries, just for cigarettes

[PayasYouRace]

Yeah, FIA should make it mandatory for cars to have an actual livery. I mean compare this year’s grid liveries to let’s say 2000 when we had bright colours like red, yellow, blue, green. It’s just ridiculous we’re seeing carbon coloured cars because of weight saving.

Mercedes-Benz and Auto Union say hello from 1934.

There’s a glorious history of unpainted racing cars, not just the two I mentioned.

How would you make such a rule? Mandate a certain thickness of paint over the whole car?

I think it’s a non-issue. As long as the cars have the required information (numbers, names, safety) on them, give the teams the freedom they rarely have in F1. There’s no need to mandate everything in F1, especially not aesthetics.

[BRG]

Mercedes should be white. But who is counting? 

Mercedes colour options in order of preference

1. Silver
2. White
3. Any other colour
4. Black

[Sterzo]

If F1 ran true to form, the sequence would be:

 

1. Cars deemed "too black".

2. Rule introduced mid-season: all bodywork to be painted or wrapped.

3. All teams paint or wrap their cars black.

4. Rumoured proposal to ban black.

5. "Black Cars Matter" movement started by Christian Horner and Toto Wolff.

6. Leaked tweet from 1999 reveals Ben Sulayem likes having a black beard.

7. Two Race Directors sacked, one for banning black when it's allowed, and one for allowing it when it's not.

[cbo]

Only thing I would change is the numbers. All cars should have a big, white dish with numbers in black on both sides and front. The rest could be all black for all I care.

[JvsKVB77]

The goal is to be fast

When teams have this goal previously we have this

 

Carbon instead of liveries it is some kind of this thing. If you want black car - paint it black. 

Edited by JvsKVB77, 23 February 2023 - 17:41.