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[JL14]

which at the start of every season you hope they will have finally fixed.

 

What are yours?

 

For me it's with the T-cam: that they still don't have that camera in the centre position of the car 

 

[Cornholio]

The official graphics' insistence on calling the Red Bull car (as opposed to the full team name) a "Red Bull Racing". E.g. we don't see Scuderia Ferrari etc. I feel like they briefly fixed it around 2007-8 time but broke it again a few years later.

[PayasYouRace]

The official graphics' insistence on calling the Red Bull car (as opposed to the full team name) a "Red Bull Racing". E.g. we don't see Scuderia Ferrari etc. I feel like they briefly fixed it around 2007-8 time but broke it again a few years later.

I think you can blame Red Bull Racing for that, because that’s their constructor name.

Scuderia Ferrari is the team name, that of the entrant. But their constructor name, their “marque” is Ferrari.

Red Bull didn’t do that. They called their cars Red Bull Racings.

[Stephane]

The T cam, which were not T's back then, were at the center a long time ago...

[MJB5990]

The time taken to get going again after a red flag or a rain delay. The drivers and teams are there to race, that's their one job, they should be ready. I understand you have to give 5 mins for the drivers to go to the toilet but any longer than that is just a waste. 

[alframsey]

The pig headedness of all involved in the sport

[midgrid]

The T cam, which were not T's back then, were at the center a long time ago...

 

Yes, 1997 was the final season before they were moved off-centre (and when only the cars equipped with working cameras carried them in this position):

 

[KWSN - DSM]

The time taken to get going again after a red flag or a rain delay. The drivers and teams are there to race, that's their one job, they should be ready. I understand you have to give 5 mins for the drivers to go to the toilet but any longer than that is just a waste. 

 

Extending that to F1 no longer racing in the rain.

[Beri]

Extending that to F1 no longer racing in the rain.

 

Extending that to finding "solutions" that arent a solution. The solution to things like this do not lie in adding click on wheel covers or neutralizing a race to await for the rain to stop. But in demanding Pirelli to produce very sticky wet weather tyres that only displace an X amount of water. This to prevent too much spray to be thrown up. And the solution also lies in opening up Parc Ferme regulations prior to a race, allowing teams to change everything they want, when rain during the race is imminent.

[F1 Mike]

Yes, 1997 was the final season before they were moved off-centre (and when only the cars equipped with working cameras carried them in this position):

Everything about that season was superior to anything else since then. Everything.

[LolaB0860]

Extending that to finding "solutions" that arent a solution. The solution to things like this do not lie in adding click on wheel covers or neutralizing a race to await for the rain to stop. But in demanding Pirelli to produce very sticky wet weather tyres that only displace an X amount of water. This to prevent too much spray to be thrown up. And the solution also lies in opening up Parc Ferme regulations prior to a race, allowing teams to change everything they want, when rain during the race is imminent.

The actual best solution would be tire war where the manufacturers would actually push each other towards greatness naturally, not artificially. But in the unfortunate absence of that, what you are suggesting is indeed the best course of action, and not the clown hotfixes they are (pretending on) doing

Edited by LolaB0860, 23 February 2023 - 22:23.

[Anderis]

I no longer care about little annoyances.

When it comes to F1, I only have big annoyances.

[1player]

Back-to-back DRS zones.

The first DRS lets the attacker close in, they overtake in the corner, and get a free chance to extend the gap even further.

[Dan333SP]

Back-to-back DRS zones.

The first DRS lets the attacker close in, they overtake in the corner, and get a free chance to extend the gap even further.

Part of me thinks it’d be interesting for them to add a second detection point at the apex of whatever corner follows the first zone, so if one car passes another the following car will then have a chance to repass. Of course, this might lead to one car just sitting behind another until the 2nd zone.

[danmills]

The corporate stranglehold on the majority of trophy designs looking like plated 3D logos.

Hideous. Smelt them all.

[danmills]

Driver helmets being overtaken by sponsorship.

Helmets are the only identity we have when watching visually. They should remain free of this bar the visor and helmet brand itself.

[danmills]

Driver numbers should be absolutely massive, bold font, single inverted colour against the livery and in fixed areas for all teams.

Namely rear wing endplates and one on the nose.

[danmills]

Digital flags on the podium. Eugh. 

I'm on a roll tonight.

Edited by danmills, 23 February 2023 - 23:39.

[JimmyClark]

The beeping start lights.

[Ruusperi]

Everything about that season was superior to anything else since then. Everything.

Except....nope, you're absolutely right.

Even 4K TV quality isn't superior, since it somehow makes everything more sterile and dull. It's like comparing classic Simpsons seasons with the HD era.

 

For the question: Start Lights sound effect. We were fine without Mario Kart noises for decades. Then Liberty comes and adds SFX and music. Yes, I don't like F1 theme song. It lasts too long. The old intro was perfect. Concise and not trying to be "epic".

 

Less ESPN-style coverage, more EBU-style (European Broadcasting Union) coverage. Even better, keep it raw.

[Jellyfishcake]

I agree on several things here, the theme soundtrack is definitely one for me, it's made for a social media led society, 

[GoldenColt]

Everything about that season was superior to anything else since then. Everything.

Except for the grid, which was one of the weakest of all times. 

[TheFish]

It being too difficult to distingush between teammates. I know there's the black and yellow thing on the top but I never remember which drivers have which... Merc have improved on this with the different colours on the numbers, but liveries could be more adjusted to make it easier to distinguish, such as Ferrari having a white front wing for Leclerc and a black one for Sainz or whatever.

[OO7]

Sam Collins saying "Sticky uppy bits".

[PayasYouRace]

The beeping start lights.

 

Great for the visually impared, or those listening to the radio.

[chdphd]

It's to make you look up from your phone

[JimmyClark]

Great for the visually impared, or those listening to the radio.

I've listened to a few races on the radio in my time before the beeps, and you can tell from engines revving up and the commentators commentating that it's about to happen.

[ar1]

The whole ponderous nature of the Safety Car process that wastes at least 5% of race time (Monza last year anyone!) 

 

Limited testing - why can't the team decide how much testing they do as long as it is included in the budget cap - whenever there is a 2 or 3 week gap have the track open on the Monday after race day for additional testing if the teams want / can afford it

[PayasYouRace]

Except for the grid, which was one of the weakest of all times.

Absolute nonsense.

[PlatenGlass]

Great for the visually impared, or those listening to the radio.

Except there isn't one for go, which would be the only one that really mattered.

[PayasYouRace]

Oh I’ve got one. The new trend of calling hot laps “push laps”.

Also the trend of asking the driver to “box” instead of pit, but that’s been going on longer.

[JimmyClark]

Also the trend of asking the driver to “box” instead of pit, but that’s been going on longer.

I always wondered why that changed - I've always assumed that maybe "box" is clearer on the radio than "pit", but I could be barking up the wrong tree.

[absinthedude]

I always wondered why that changed - I've always assumed that maybe "box" is clearer on the radio than "pit", but I could be barking up the wrong tree.

 

In many non-English speaking parts.....the pits have been called the boxes for decades. Pit makes historic sense, when you had a garage with a pit under the car, where the mechanics could work on the underside of the car. Indeed your local Kwik-Fit or equivalent probably still has pits. But grand prix racing hasn't had pits for a very long time, if ever. They are boxes. But yeah, I agree....I'd rather the word "pit" was used. It's still a pitstop. 

[PayasYouRace]

I always assumed it was because most drivers aren’t native English speakers. In most other languages the pits ironically use the English word “boxes” for the pits, so I can see why it crept in. But even the native English speakers are doing it now, and also, most drivers have a much better command of English than in the old days.

[B38]

The beeping start lights.

How about a big bang?

 

https://youtu.be/RT0momrozUg?t=117

[Clatter]

The time taken to get going again after a red flag or a rain delay. The drivers and teams are there to race, that's their one job, they should be ready. I understand you have to give 5 mins for the drivers to go to the toilet but any longer than that is just a waste. 

 

Not forgetting the time wasted in letting lapped cars through after a SC.

Edited by Clatter, 24 February 2023 - 12:59.

[Clatter]

Great for the visually impared, or those listening to the radio.

 

Except they only beep as the lights come on, and not when they go out, so they still don't when the race actually starts.

[Beri]

How about a big bang?

 

https://youtu.be/RT0momrozUg?t=117

 

 

That is seriously a good idea to have a cannon start off the race.

[midgrid]

They should compromise and have each race started by the dropping of a digital flag. 

[Sterzo]

The term "pit" originated from one of the early French races. They dug a trench in front of the grandstand. Team personnel had to stand in it so as not to obstruct the view of the paying customers. "Box" actually makes a lot more sense, though the correct word for an English person would be "garage". (Which is of course French). No-one expects Newey, Horner et al to stand in a pit now; they occupy the "prat perch", so maybe that's what should be shouted over the radio.

[HighwayStar]

Top of my pet hate list is the AWS battle forecast graphics. My view is that if I have the time separating two cars on track at the end of the sector or lap, and I have information about the pace of the respective cars on the previous three or four laps, I can work out approximately when the cars will start fighting for position. For example, if there's a five second gap between two cars and the car behind is averaging 0.8 seconds per lap faster than the car in front, I know the car behind will probably be within the DRS zone after another four laps. If the relative pace of the two cars changes, I can still work out roughly when the car behind will catch the car ahead. By contrast, in the AWS graphics it is not immediately clear what 'striking distance' represents and even less clear what 'overtake difficulty' represents, which also strikes me as something that can't be perfectly quantified - different car characteristics and driving styles mean this shouldn't be the same in all cases even if the difference in pace is the same (I remember the overtake difficulty bar being very low when Hamilton was chasing Alonso in Hungary 2021!). They also lose relevance if the situation changes, whereas the timings are still useful even if they show that the car ahead is now matching the car behind or even going faster. I think what really annoys me is that they convert clear, simple quantitative information into flashy graphics which give less clearly defined qualitative information which is more difficult to interpret and less useful.

Edited by HighwayStar, 24 February 2023 - 18:24.

[Sndr]

Di Resta: Mer-shedes

Herbert: ...sort of...

[MasterOfCoin]

Those 18 inch wagon wheels annoy me......

[DeKnyff]

Oh I’ve got one. The new trend of calling hot laps “push laps”.

Also the trend of asking the driver to “box” instead of pit, but that’s been going on longer.

 

 

But I think that's because "box, box, box" is a much more unmistakably clear instruction than "pit, pit, pit", specially considering that the driver often has to react in tenths of seconds.

[mclarensmps]

The obnoxious theme music. 

I bought the F1 game recently on my Playstation and got so annoyed that the music automatically starts playing when you hover over the game icon in the OS menu, that I uninstalled it without even trying it. That's just intrusively offensive. 

[mclarensmps]

Oh I’ve got one. The new trend of calling hot laps “push laps”.

Also the trend of asking the driver to “box” instead of pit, but that’s been going on longer.

Hah! Yes, and the introduction of Sound Up Laps, in the worst ever era for F1 sound!

[Clatter]

The term "pit" originated from one of the early French races. They dug a trench in front of the grandstand. Team personnel had to stand in it so as not to obstruct the view of the paying customers. "Box" actually makes a lot more sense, though the correct word for an English person would be "garage". (Which is of course French). No-one expects Newey, Horner et al to stand in a pit now; they occupy the "prat perch", so maybe that's what should be shouted over the radio.

 

Didn't know that. I always thought it was before the time of lifts, and garages had pits to work under the car.

[danmills]

Except....nope, you're absolutely right.

Even 4K TV quality isn't superior, since it somehow makes everything more sterile and dull. It's like comparing classic Simpsons seasons with the HD era.

 

For the question: Start Lights sound effect. We were fine without Mario Kart noises for decades. Then Liberty comes and adds SFX and music. Yes, I don't like F1 theme song. It lasts too long. The old intro was perfect. Concise and not trying to be "epic".

 

Less ESPN-style coverage, more EBU-style (European Broadcasting Union) coverage. Even better, keep it raw.

 

This was THE noise that meant if Dad was still intermittently faffing Sunday dinner prep it was the call to Grand Prix Prayer in front of the screen for the start.

[chdphd]

Di Resta: Mer-shedes

Herbert: ...sort of...

 

Both gone for 2023

[azza200]

The modern style of tv graphics and how clutterted the screen is. The amount of clutter on screen is like a racing game on playstation or xbox. AWS graphics info is pointless so is the name above the cars when shown onboard from the car behind again that is something has been done in racing games for decades. 

 

And the generally way the main sponsors of F1 now are plastered everywhere on tracks. I miss the variety of sponsors around tracks from back in the late 80's and during the 90's. Will Liberty go more American and give us the onboard cameras sponsored by DHL or a KFC Zinger burger lol. 

 

Modern F1 livery's suck so bland boring and corporate as someone said else where the cars need something on them to indicate the team late a difference in livery somewhere something obvious. Ferrari back in the day had that yellow strip as part of their livery too tell the drivers apart. Seems like something teams have forgotten about in their bland livery designs