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[Chick0]

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Edited by Chick0, 23 February 2023 - 06:44.

[pUs]

That's a big undercut..

[FullOppositeLock]

That's a big undercut..

It is indeed. Very interesting

[pUs]

At least from those pics it does look like an obvious evolution/iteration of the existing car. Everything taken a bit further. I would like a clearer head-on shot though..

[Clrnc]

Huge evolution of their last year car.

Looks like the way they treat the airflow at the floor is similar to Merc, inspired by Ferrari

[renzmann]

I'm not entirely sure whether the undercut really is that much bigger than last year's car. I've just received a Minichamps model of the RB18, and its undercut definitely was massive as well. I'd like to see some pictures to compare.

[Chick0]

[jonklug]

Car looks really good as expected, an evolution of last years that can only mean it's fast. I admit because of the secrecy I was actually expecting the design to be more different but this makes sense and looks very well put together. 

[Laptom]

Let's hope it is as good as it looks right now. 

[Yoshi]

Thx for creating one thread

[Frankbullitt]

RB are know for evolving cars with steady rules, so this all falls into line with that.

 

So far, it looks good as well.

[lewislorenzo]

Poised

[Frankbullitt]

157 laps today. Hefty days work.

[Cliff]

Although times mean nothing at this point, the body language from Horner’s interview is reassuring.

[renzmann]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird RBR are supposedly looking very good with a car that's basically a logical evolution of their last car?

[Frankbullitt]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird RBR are supposedly looking very good with a car that's basically a logical evolution of their last car?

 

I was underwhelmed when I saw the car. But after seeing it on track and seeing the differences etc, evolving the car falls into line with what RB have done in previous years. They are confident in this concept (as they should be), so there was never going to be a massive change.

 

Just make the good better.

[Cliff]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird RBR are supposedly looking very good with a car that's basically a logical evolution of their last car?

Even by the end of last year they were allegedly still 10kg over the weight limit. Marko said they are now under. Not all big improvements are visible. Besides that floor looks like no other.

[renzmann]

My point rather was about the competition. I'm surprised that an evolution of a good/great car seems enough. I agree about the floor though - from what we can see it's very cool, and the floor of course is hard to copy.

[FNG]

My point rather was about the competition. I'm surprised that an evolution of a good/great car seems enough. I agree about the floor though - from what we can see it's very cool, and the floor of course is hard to copy.

 

If you look at past winning streaks for teams this is exactly what they do. Once they build a fast car that wins they can refine refine refine and continue to dominate. Finding solutions or different paths every year is what keeps teams from the front.

[renzmann]

If you look at past winning streaks for teams this is exactly what they do. Once they build a fast car that wins they can refine refine refine and continue to dominate. Finding solutions or different paths every year is what keeps teams from the front.

Aston Martin looks like the only team that has learned from that: copy the winner as early as possible to avoid path dependency on an inferior design. EDIT: And again, I'm not questioning what RBR is doing. It's the competition that makes me wonder.

 

This is great:

 

Edited by renzmann, 23 February 2023 - 19:08.

[SenorSjon]

Thx for creating one thread

The team thread was here first.

I thought we returned to 1 topic per team? It feels a bit pointless to talk about the same stuff to the same people in two different threads.

[Jones Foyer]

My point rather was about the competition. I'm surprised that an evolution of a good/great car seems enough. I agree about the floor though - from what we can see it's very cool, and the floor of course is hard to copy.

 

Considering last year's successes and their reduced wind tunnel times, it's logical that they haven't thrown everything into an untested new concept that would but them on a back foot if it wasn't well sorted. Out of the box, evolution makes perfect sense, as does a focus on lightening the car- as that was one of their biggest shortcomings last year and also because lightening of the same design means no change to aero. I would expect to see teams at the top have a more conservative and evolutionary approach while teams with the biggest issues last year would of course have a more obvious change to their designs.

[MikeTekRacing]

Why would they change the philosophy? The car clearly worked well almost everywhere, and it was rumored to be overweight quite a bit - that's something they could have focused on, significant impact and pretty invisible. The rest should be just natural evolution

[as65p]

By the looks of it, there's also no "magic bullet" on other cars they missed. The only significant outlier remains Mercedes with their once zero and now 0.5 sidepods. Only if that suddenly turns out to bring major advantages they will be screwed, and everyone else with them. But I very much doubt that will happen.

[Chick0]

Just saw Max's fastest lap. He went of the track 3 times with all 4 wheels  ...   Fernando's lap was clean..  

[vlado]

Lots of organic looking shapes on that car.. beautiful stuff

Edited by vlado, 24 February 2023 - 05:03.

[w1Y]

This car is going to be the class of the field.

Ferrari may have some pace but unfortunately I think this car may make it a boring season.it just looks poised already

[kumo7]

Aston Martin has some astonishing resemblance to this car. We might see some surprising four-way battles with Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari, and Aston Martin...

[renzmann]

By the looks of it, there's also no "magic bullet" on other cars they missed. The only significant outlier remains Mercedes with their once zero and now 0.5 sidepods. Only if that suddenly turns out to bring major advantages they will be screwed, and everyone else with them. But I very much doubt that will happen.

I doubt it's a magic bullet, but those W14 FW endplates are really clever and could work on RBR's concept as well. I wouldn't be suprised if RBR will use them, too.

Edited by renzmann, 24 February 2023 - 07:18.

[vlado]

Red Bull RB19 - Aerodynamics Analysis and Initial Thoughts - YouTube

[Muzzyf1]

Car doesn't look as good in perez hands

[Pingu Pi]

Car doesn't look as good in perez hands

My two cents - I've always got the impression Max likes to flex and make a marker for others to chase. He's always on it from the moment he leaves the pit (in Free Practices) and I think mentally it's how he prefers to prepare both for himself but also I feel it gives a bit of a fear factor... others whether they consciously acknowledge it or not will see the marker and will be instinctively in chase mode so come qualifying they'll be trying to find more and more and push more so it can lead to mistakes.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Max has the more push runs of testing and Perez has the heavier and more routine running to reflect the above. 

 

That said the car (and Pirelli tires) development could just be moving further and further away from Perez and he'll take more time to adapt to get to his performance level.

Edited by Pingu Pi, 24 February 2023 - 10:41.

[SenorSjon]

Pirelli has changed the fronts for 2023 to make them more grippier as everyone suffered with understeer. But that is also the way Perez likes it.

[jonklug]

Car doesn't look as good in perez hands

 

I think it's just very different programs, also Max is likely pushing it a bit more. 

[Frankbullitt]

Well, looks good to me and pretty much everyone. I get the sense that they aren't really pushing too hard yet either.

[A3]

 

[jonklug]

RB look in total control, I have that feeling I would get when watching preseason testing in 2018-2019-2020 and you could see Mercedes being on it.

[rootten]

via @JoostNederpelt

 

[Risil]

Posts removed, this is the Red Bull technical thread, please don't discuss fans of other teams here

[Risil]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird RBR are supposedly looking very good with a car that's basically a logical evolution of their last car?

Remind me how many races their last car won 

[Beamer]

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird RBR are supposedly looking very good with a car that's basically a logical evolution of their last car?

Probably.

[renzmann]

Remind me how many races their last car won 

One last try: I wondered about other teams. I don't get why other promising teams stick to designs that weren't able to match the RB18. let alone an evolution of the RB18 (of course, I'm supposing RBR will still be the front runner for the sake of discussion here. I don't know whether they are).

 

I can see it's the right thing to do for RBR to just improve the RB18, especially considering their little wind tunnel time.

[rootten]

One last try: I wondered about other teams. I don't get why other promising teams stick to designs that weren't able to match the RB18. let alone an evolution of the RB18 (of course, I'm supposing RBR will still be the front runner for the sake of discussion here. I don't know whether they are).

I can see it's the right thing to do for RBR to just improve the RB18, especially considering their little wind tunnel time.

What do you mean? Almost every team has copied RBR. Ferrari did not because they were competitive with their own design. Mercedes is just being silly

[charly0418]

One last try: I wondered about other teams. I don't get why other promising teams stick to designs that weren't able to match the RB18. let alone an evolution of the RB18 (of course, I'm supposing RBR will still be the front runner for the sake of discussion here. I don't know whether they are).

 

I can see it's the right thing to do for RBR to just improve the RB18, especially considering their little wind tunnel time.

 

Aston Martin copying Red Bull as much as possible and being the most improved midfield team so far is all you need to know

 

Everyone will be moving to RBs philosophy 

[cbo]

Why do people think Aston Martin copied Red Bull? The two cars are very different as per Sam Collins comparisons on F1TV.

[ToniF1]

[renzmann]

Why do people think Aston Martin copied Red Bull? The two cars are very different as per Sam Collins comparisons on F1TV.

They don't have to copy RBR. Just go for the fundamentals RBR has chosen for and bring on your own ideas to make it better. Shouldn't be impossible to attack RBR with that, especially in the cost cap era. I'm surprised only AM did it, but I'm not complaining

[cbo]

They don't have to copy RBR. Just go for the fundamentals RBR has chosen for and bring on your own ideas to make it better. Shouldn't be impossible to attack RBR with that, especially in the cost cap era. I'm surprised only AM did it, but I'm not complaining

The sidepods are more Ferrari than Red Bull, though.

AM seems to have been inspirered from various sources and have probably done a wee bit of thinking on their own 🙂

I guess what I am trying to convey here is that AM should get credit for doing an original design rather than being seen as a copycat....

[GentlemanDriver091]

The sidepods are more Ferrari than Red Bull, though.

AM seems to have been inspirered from various sources and have probably done a wee bit of thinking on their own 🙂

I guess what I am trying to convey here is that AM should get credit for doing an original design rather than being seen as a copycat....

It was less then a year ago AM was accused of copying RBR’s car due to its strikingly similar concept.

[cbo]

It was less then a year ago AM was accused of copying RBR’s car due to its strikingly similar concept.

OK......