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[pdac]

I agree that fines such as parking fines should be adjusted according to (e.g.) salary or car value. There is someone near to my workplace who owns a Ferrari SF-90 (amongst other exotic cars down the years), his restaurant doesn't have parking space, so he parks outside on double yellows pretty much every single day...there's always a parking ticket on the windscreen. The fine means nothing to him.

 

There was a story a while ago about a Ferrari that had been parked in a street in west London and was towed away. It turned out the owner was away and had determined that it was a lot cheaper to have it towed and safely stored in the council site than to pay for secured parking for the duration they were away.

Edited by pdac, 22 March 2023 - 14:24.

[Mosrite]

Yes, but they are F1 rules, subject to interpretation and human error, and can also be ignored if convinient. Rules don't mean anything concrete in F1

[FirstnameLastname]

There was a story a while ago about a Ferrari that had been parked in a street in west London and was towed away. It turned out the owner was away and had determined that it was a lot cheaper to have it towed and safely stored in the council site than to pay for secured parking for the duration they were away.

Typical of Ferrari vending the rules to their advantage

[wheadon1985]

Thank you for the info wheadon - now it makes sense. Have quoted your post as others seem to have ignored it...

As a full time Motorsport event manager, I seem to be forever doing more H&S than actual race organisation work. I have literally spent this very afternoon stopping everyone from kids to old age pensioners from riding their electric scooter around the paddock. No doubt, it'll be the same tomorrow.

I was the COVID officer for Goodwood Speedweek and even without spectators, that was pretty much a full-time job and I had two assistants! 🙄

[Zmeej]

Thank you for your work.

[FirstnameLastname]

Pitwall team celebrations BANNED

https://www.motorspo...tions/10450692/

[balaclava]

why would they kill pitwall celebrations... these are core racing traditions. So sad, really.

[F1 Mike]

Helio Castroneves will be shaking his head at this one

[pdac]

why would they kill pitwall celebrations... these are core racing traditions. So sad, really.

 

In the past many things that were slightly dangerous were allowed on the grounds that people know they are dangerous and so if they want to take the risk it's up to them. Then came ambulance-chasing lawyers who argued that people were not capable of understanding what they were doing and that those in charge should be liable. Now it's a given that organisers have to protect themselves against someone doing something stupid and calling them out as liable when something goes wrong. The phrase "on your own head be it" is a thing of the past (when common sense ruled)

[F1 Mike]

When you look at how the mechanics in the last race are lying right on top of the fencing, I can understand their concern. Most of the worst accidents in the last 30 years have been due to a really unfortunate set of circumstances all coming together.

If that fence gives way just as the cars approach the finish, you could have 2, 3, 4 mechanics collected by cars which are often still battling at the line

[Hellenic tifosi]

Understood, but really, I think this is a well known risk to mechanics. Such a sterilized world is a very sad place to live in.

[pdac]

Understood, but really, I think this is a well known risk to mechanics. Such a sterilized world is a very sad place to live in.

 

That's the world we live in (and I'm sad about it).

[Jones Foyer]

That's the world we live in (and I'm sad about it).

 

Understood, but really, I think this is a well known risk to mechanics. Such a sterilized world is a very sad place to live in.

 

It's your opinion, which is free to share, but speaking from a safety perspective- the fencing is generally no joke about protecting lives and celebration doesn't merit the risk. Many circuits have double layers of fencing. It's not sterilization, it's based on mitigating real risk. You're welcome to watch any of the horrific videos of trackside tragedies from the 1950s to 1970s for a reminder of why we have a lot of the rules in place. You need only go back to 2021 to see a car impacting a safety fence and how much that fence will move when the full weight of a car at speed impacts it.

Edited by Jones Foyer, 31 March 2023 - 21:44.

[F1 Mike]

I expect we'll still see plenty of celebrations, just not so much hanging from the top of the fence.
As has been reported it doesn't even impact this race as there is a screen instead of a fence

[ARTGP]

I'm sure they're planning to electrify the fence. 

[kumo7]

When you look at how the mechanics in the last race are lying right on top of the fencing, I can understand their concern. Most of the worst accidents in the last 30 years have been due to a really unfortunate set of circumstances all coming together.

If that fence gives way just as the cars approach the finish, you could have 2, 3, 4 mechanics collected by cars which are often still battling at the line

 

I can see the point.

 

But upon pondering the very initial cause of setting the fences there, the fence should be strong enough to withstand the cars and the parts traveling the air with a speed of 300km/h or even more. Obviously in the case of such accidents. what are the constructive strength that these fences are calculated for? 

[milestone 11]

Understood, but really, I think this is a well known risk to mechanics. Such a sterilized world is a very sad place to live in.

The prick that waved the chequered at Le Mans in '21 has caused this H&S over reaction.

[PayasYouRace]

I’ve got an idea. Just remove the fence. While you’re at it, remove the prat perches on the pit wall. Some teams stuck most of their main engineers and managers in the garage anyway (Mercedes, for example). Just have a US style pit wall.

[Peat]

I can see the point.

 

But upon pondering the very initial cause of setting the fences there, the fence should be strong enough to withstand the cars and the parts traveling the air with a speed of 300km/h or even more. Obviously in the case of such accidents. what are the constructive strength that these fences are calculated for? 

 

Dunno, but they could be fabricated in a way to be directionally strong. Having a couple of hundred kilos of bodies at the highest point over-centre might be sub-optimal. 

But I'm relatively sure they are actually fine with that amount of weight. 

[taran]

Understood, but really, I think this is a well known risk to mechanics. Such a sterilized world is a very sad place to live in.

 

There is also the legal risk. If an accident happens because the fence collapses, you can bet some bereaved relative will sue the track because they didn't make it clear enough not to climb/impossible to climb into it for the mechanics.

Edited by taran, 03 April 2023 - 09:15.