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[garoidb]

Lauda won

2 drivers titles at Ferrari
3 constructors titles at Ferrari
1 drivers title at McLaren
2 constructors titles at McLaren
5 drivers titles at Mercedes
5 constructors titles at Mercedes

18 titles isn't too shabby either.

 

 

Can't we give him Prost's 1985 title at McLaren as well as he was at the team?

 

We should also note that he was one of the first to drive a Brabham BT49 in an official session. It became a WDC winning car in 1981. 

Edited by garoidb, 22 March 2023 - 11:54.

[Beri]

Mock all you want. I still am of the opinion that Lauda is worth to be mentioned.

[KeithD68]

I worked for McLaren in the late 90s so I have 3 titles if that's the way we're playing it

[garoidb]

Mock all you want. I still am of the opinion that Lauda is worth to be mentioned.

 

I wasn't mocking, just having fun. No offence was intended. I was a fan of Lauda and I always thought that leaving F1 just when Brabham had a competitive car was a missed opportunity. But then, would he have joined McLaren at the right time to be part of that success? The BMW turbo era at Brabham could have interested him though.

[Peeko]

A shout-out for Tad Czapski, the electronics-wizard of the 90's and 00's. He was lured into F1 by Tom Walkingshaw as he was strengthening the electronics capabilities of the team in the era of active suspension, automatic transmissions, ABS and traction control. These were banned after 1993, but infamously Benetton still had the launch control as a hidden "option 13" for 1994. At Benetton, Czapski's laptop and Schumacher's car (and only Schumacher's...) were inseperable on the grid before the start of races. The result: two titles in 1994 and 1995.

 

Czapski was part of the Benetton team that left for Ferrari in 1996. The opposition of the Newey-Renault / Newey-Mercedes combo's proved too much in the following years despite brave battles and again - link - rumours of illegal traction control. After finaly achieving their goal of the WDC/WCC in 2000, Czapski went back to Benetton where he masterminded the launch control -now legalized- of the Renault's in which Alonso took his two titles. 

 

At the end of 2009 he partnered once again with Ross Brawn, joining Mercedes for the following season. I can't find how long he stayed with them and whether he had any involvement in their string of titles from 2014. His Benetton / Ferrari / Renault successes add up to 5 WDC's and 5 WCC's. 

You mean Schumacher won these two titles because he had launch control, something that is only of benefit for the first 100 or so yards of a 300km+ race?
 

[PlatenGlass]

I wasn't mocking, just having fun. No offence was intended.

Me too. I'm just enjoying the thread.

[OO7]

A shout-out for Tad Czapski, the electronics-wizard of the 90's and 00's. He was lured into F1 by Tom Walkingshaw as he was strengthening the electronics capabilities of the team in the era of active suspension, automatic transmissions, ABS and traction control. These were banned after 1993, but infamously Benetton still had the launch control as a hidden "option 13" for 1994. At Benetton, Czapski's laptop and Schumacher's car (and only Schumacher's...) were inseperable on the grid before the start of races. The result: two titles in 1994 and 1995.

 

Czapski was part of the Benetton team that left for Ferrari in 1996. The opposition of the Newey-Renault / Newey-Mercedes combo's proved too much in the following years despite brave battles and again - link - rumours of illegal traction control. After finaly achieving their goal of the WDC/WCC in 2000, Czapski went back to Benetton where he masterminded the launch control -now legalized- of the Renault's in which Alonso took his two titles. 

 

At the end of 2009 he partnered once again with Ross Brawn, joining Mercedes for the following season. I can't find how long he stayed with them and whether he had any involvement in their string of titles from 2014. His Benetton / Ferrari / Renault successes add up to 5 WDC's and 5 WCC's. 

Willem Toet has a different take on those systems...

[blackmme]

You mean Schumacher won these two titles because he had launch control, something that is only of benefit for the first 100 or so yards of a 300km+ race?
 

I believe the accusation was that they were running Launch Control and Traction Control.  Not that it matters in the slightest now.

 

Regards Mike 

[AlonsoElGoat]

When people talk Formula one GOATS, to me there is only 1, and that's Adrian Newey.

[RedRabbit]

When people talk Formula one GOATS, to me there is only 1, and that's Adrian Newey.

Says "AlonsoElGoat"? 🤣

[Sparky68]

I worked for McLaren in the late 90s so I have 3 titles if that's the way we're playing it

In that case I have 5 

[Sterzo]

In that case I have 5 

Not impressed. I've been following 65 WDCs and 64 WCCs from the sidelines. Not saying I've had a huge influence on the results - I'll leave that to Adrian Newey.

[Beri]

In that case I have 5 

Flexing now are you? 😉

[CoolBreeze]

i think Ross Brown is the winner..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Risil]

Maybe a cleaning lady who has worked in Brackley and Milton Keynes at the right times, maybe even in Enstone as she was younger.

We need to find her

[Dunc]

Didn't McLaren have an engineer who began his life there under Bruce but stayed around for days of the MTC and was there for the Hamilton years? He would have been there for all the WDCs and WCCs.

 

This is from an article in F1 Racing I read in about 2009 so happy to put this down to a memory lapse.

[Collombin]

Tyler Alexander? He left for a few years in the 1980s though, before returning to McLaren.

[Sterzo]

Didn't McLaren have an engineer who began his life there under Bruce but stayed around for days of the MTC and was there for the Hamilton years? He would have been there for all the WDCs and WCCs.

 

This is from an article in F1 Racing I read in about 2009 so happy to put this down to a memory lapse.

Tyler Alexander worked, I think, for McLaren from 63 or 64 until 83, returning to McLaren in 89 and dying in 2016. Not every year was in F1 of course.

 

Neil Trundle worked, not with Bruce, but alongside Ron Dennis at Brabham, was at Tyrrell for part of the seventies and rejoined Ron at McLaren in the eighties. He might even still be at McLaren - he certainly was three or four years ago. He did have various breaks from F1, running F2 teams etc.

 

I haven't double-checked these periods, nor counted the championships they were associated with, but they're both candidates for consideration.

[Beri]

Jo Ramirez came onboard at Woking somewhere in the early 80s. He retired around the same time as Hakkinen went into his "sabbatical". He also worked for Tyrrell before McLaren. So he could be in for some 20 world titles, give or take?

[Hati]

I think this is the referred story.

Ray Rowe celebrates 50 years (mclaren.com)