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[Gary C]

Do we know if this is on YouTube over the weekend?

[Dick Dastardly]

TV Listings have it on ITV4 Sat 14.00 - 16.00 hrs.

[Gary C]

Ah, thats why I asked about YouTube, I'm not in the UK.

[Macca]

Yes, it is.

Paul M

[Bloggsworth]

And ITV1 12 on Sunday.

[john aston]

I will be getting the full 3D , Sensuround , Technicolor and Dolby Stereo version live. It sure isn't the cheapest , but very little is better .    

[Gary C]

You mean you're at the circuit, John??

[sabrejet]

We shall be there: let's hope the weather is OK. Sometimes I'm jealous of folks watching it on telly.

[AllanL]

While cool, the weather improved to clear skies from 5pm. 

 

What never improves is the inane practise of commentators to talk endlessly over demonstration drives such as the BT52. Luckily the cars were loud enough to drown out the speakers for about five seconds as they passed. My son was muttering comments along the line of STPhU. One lap of silence from the commentary box would not kill them. On the plus side Alice Powell made a delightful addition to the commentary team.

 

Oddly, there was much repetition of the claim that Riccardo Patrese was sitting in the BT52 for the first time since 1983. So which Italian drove it in his helmet at the 2016 Festival of Speed?

 

Yours etc,

Bemused of Madgewick

[Lee Nicolle]

Whats this pic,,adverts for illegal cigarettes!!

[sabrejet]

It was a great day yesterday, weather cold but OK. But we really miss Marcus Pye in the commentary box: we now have a variety of commentators ranging from very good to (yesterday) someone who continually managed to announce a driver called "Dario Frankiddy".

 

I know that a day's worth of commentary will highlight verbal crutches, but getting key drivers' names right surely can't be difficult!!!??? 

[nicanary]

It was a great day yesterday, weather cold but OK. But we really miss Marcus Pye in the commentary box: we now have a variety of commentators ranging from very good to (yesterday) someone who continually managed to announce a driver called "Dario Frankiddy".

 

I know that a day's worth of commentary will highlight verbal crutches, but getting key drivers' names right surely can't be difficult!!!??? 

I was continually frustrated by the commentary referring in EffWun style about "purple sectors" when no sectors were visible onscreen to home viewers. Surely we all wanted to get away from that sort of thing for just one day?

 

The commentators also seemed to ignore their monitors - several times they failed to grasp what had happened to a particular car when the home viewers had watched the whole incident. And how did they not know what a 10-second penalty was?

[Allan Lupton]

By chance I found it on ITV this lunchtime and could watch the end of a Ford Cortina race and most of the Edwardians' race. Both were watchable, but the commentators were amazed at 100+ year old cars being raced and spent most of the Edwardian race telling us that. At least we were spared references to "the number 6 car" which had been common for the Cortina race.

[Steve L]

There was some seriously dubious driving in the 1950s sportscar race. I am not surprised one of the drivers was disqualified.

Did one of the Listers have a big shunt?

[70JesperOH]

I ended up watching most of the races on both days on YouTube, and was treatet to some seriously exciting racing. Close race finishes, overtaking manouvres where it shouldt be impossible, the sounds of V8s coming through especially brilliant and generally smily faces from the top-three finishers during end-of-race interviews. What's not to like?

 

Well, obviously a lot of the above stuff, but thankfully I like watching racing from Goodwood no matter what!

 

Jesper

[Derwent Motorsport]

Some great racing on the live feed. Variable commentary but Alice Powell was a star. 

[ensign14]

There was some seriously dubious driving in the 1950s sportscar race. I am not surprised one of the drivers was disqualified.

I see that was Shane Brereton, who managed to eff up the green flag lap thinking it was the start.   But...I thought David Hart pushing him onto the grass was way worse.

[Lee Nicolle]

Just watched the Formula Junior race, unsurprisingly oildown city. 

Mallock was playing with Roach until he fell off in the oil trail on the last lap. 

Though compare the two,, Roach car a very pukka and pretty car, The Mallock looks like a Clubbie with no guards and probably is. And very quick. And well engineered but defenitly NOT pretty. No real depth in the field however. Third was a minute down.

The light blue car that really detonated an engine [you could see the parts flying and the explosion] should have immediatly got off.

The tintop race,, WTF,  a handicap or something? A Mini 4 or 5 sec a lap slower on pole. Then a very oily Capri that should have been meatballed the end of the first lap. On Saturday one of the Chevs was not much better and should have been meatballed as well. Interestingly the checker came out with the red that should have had Fred Sheperd take the win. Very much an oops. The Chev that crashed was very much self inflicted.

There was others as well.

[Stephen W]

Some great racing on the live feed. Variable commentary but Alice Powell was a star. 

Totally agree - certainly a total lack of preparation by the lead commentators led to mumbled comments about "car number 6" when it was obvious they knew nothing about the car or the pilote. I watched both days on the Live Feed and enjoyed some cracking racing but what was the point of the Cortina race? 

Edited by Stephen W, 17 April 2023 - 06:28.

[2F-001]

Well, it was great to see so many different brands piling into Turn One early doors...

Oops, sorry! Just for one moment I thought I had joined the commentary team!

[bsc]

The tintop race,, WTF,  a handicap or something? A Mini 4 or 5 sec a lap slower on pole. 

The final for the Gordon Spice trophy grid was decided based on the results of the heats. Basically, the winner of the quickest heat took pole for the final. Nick Swift's race time was 20:01.152, whereas Jake Hill's time was 20:34.531. Hence Swift being on pole for the final, with Hill second.

[Charlieman]

Though compare the two,, Roach car a very pukka and pretty car, The Mallock looks like a Clubbie with no guards and probably is. And very quick. And well engineered but defenitly NOT pretty. 

Arthur Mallock was a clever man, perhaps a bit eccentric. The Mallock U2 was a very adaptable design -- the Clubmans versions in the 1970s/1980s ran at speeds comparable with F3 or FF1600, depending on engine spec. When a clever person optimises a design for 25+ years, they can work around many limitations.

 

I have always considered the single seater U2s to be beauties owing to their engineering simplicity.

[ensign14]

One of the points Ray Mallock made about the U2 was that the inboard suspensions made it surprisingly effective aerodynamically.  So able to compete with the more dart-like but probably more turbulent "classic" FJs.

[Bloggsworth]

Arthur Mallock was a clever man, perhaps a bit eccentric. The Mallock U2 was a very adaptable design -- the Clubmans versions in the 1970s/1980s ran at speeds comparable with F3 or FF1600, depending on engine spec. When a clever person optimises a design for 25+ years, they can work around many limitations.

 

I have always considered the single seater U2s to be beauties owing to their engineering simplicity.

Max Mosley ran a Mallock in an F2 race at Crystal Palace IIRC.

[pete53]

Max Mosley ran a Mallock in an F2 race at Crystal Palace IIRC.

Both Arthur Mallock and Mosley were entered but I believe neither reached the qualifying time and therefore didn't start. Mallock, however, did get a race at Mallory a couple of weeks previously and finished 9th in the final 10 laps behind the winner ( in appallingly wet conditions). 

[FastReader]

The final for the Gordon Spice trophy grid was decided based on the results of the heats. Basically, the winner of the quickest heat took pole for the final. Nick Swift's race time was 20:01.152, whereas Jake Hill's time was 20:34.531. Hence Swift being on pole for the final, with Hill second.

Nick Swift's heat wasn't the quickest but it was the shorter of the two. His Saturday race time was for 13 laps whereas Jake Hill had completed 14 laps in his heat. Surely pole for the final should've been decided by the faster average race speed?

[sabrejet]

Nick Swift's heat wasn't the quickest but it was the shorter of the two. His Saturday race time was for 13 laps whereas Jake Hill had completed 14 laps in his heat. Surely pole for the final should've been decided by the faster average race speed?

 

Or looking at it from a different perspective, does it really matter?

[FastReader]

Or looking at it from a different perspective, does it really matter?

Well, from a different perspective, does anything on here really matter?

Edited by FastReader, 17 April 2023 - 18:26.

[sabrejet]

Well, from a different perspective, does anything on here really matter?

 

Just petulance it seems. And missing the point.

[ensign14]

Trying some random camera settings, I got a rather pleasing effect in the Jim Clark race...

 

[sabrejet]

...what was the point of the Cortina race? 

 

Apparently it was entertaining to watch but I was off round the paddock at that point...

[Barry Boor]

Being busy throughout the weekend, I have just dipped into the YouTube coverage of the event.

In the space of about 2 minutes I am told that Dan Gurney won Le Mans in a GT.40..... really? And Alice Powell wondered if the marshals could push a stranded car through a gap in the tyre wall. Has Alice ever been to Goodwood?

I might watch some more but with the sound off.

Yes, I am now officially a grumpy old bloke.

[john aston]

You mean you're at the circuit, John??

Belated reply - yes I was and unlike some of the grumps I loved it , as I always do . 

 

Some thoughts - my weekend costs me a lot of money and  I find it a bit rich that folks who are happy to benefit from a free livestream are so happy to nit pick . The commentary is for the people who are at the circuit and if you can't hear the cars on the telly you can always try turning up in person? If it isn't to everybody's taste then , you can always , y'know, watch something else?  

 

A few modernisms apart,  the commentary team was excellent - especially Alice Powell . Her insight into car behaviour on in car footage was expert and I am not going to die in a ditch over the fact she said Turn One now and again. Yes, Marcus Pye has unrivalled knowledge of the minutiae but he can wear his learning heavily for a relatively non hard core audience . 

 

The Brabhams looked sensational,  but like nearly every demonstration were pretty underwhelming on track if you had seen them in period. And they sounded as awful now as they did  then - give me a Renault or  Honda V6 instead  . But it was nevertheless an absolute treat to see them . 

 

The racing was outstandingly good and I guess if you looked really hard you could find some driving to sneer at . All I will say is that watching  a Cobra , D or E Type , GT 40 or  Mustang slip slide its way through the corner I am apparently not allowed   to call No Name was mesmerising. And young Jake Hill in the Capri and Cortina was as good as anything I saw over the weekend . 

 

Paddock was sublime - great cars , access everywhere and plenty of folk to talk to, both well known names and fellow anoraks .   

 

Oh , and last time I checked , Barry, Gurney did win Le Mans in a GT 40 - a Mark IV GT 40  .   

[FastReader]

Just petulance it seems. And missing the point.

  I thought I was agreeing with your point.

[AllanL]

It would be good to get Alice into a race with a live mike feed. Thinking on, a live feed might be a bit unfair on Alice. Maybe a chance to let her edit comments which she didn't want transmitted, and then fill the gap between a couple of races with her commentary.

 

One change to Goodwood events that I do object to happened at the end of Sunday while I was sitting having a Bacon and Cheese Burger from the food stand in the paddock north of the tunnel. (Great food stand - if you're not a vegetarian) As we finished I noticed a group of security staff with their hiviz vests moving through the paddock chasing straggling photographers out. When they got to us they said that we had to leave as the event had closed at 7pm.

 

Now I suspect that the prizegiving was still going on. Anyway this approach to customers was something I noticed as I wandered up through the paddock on the Thursday evening at the Festival last year. On that occasion I saw some security staff on a golf buggy chase a photographer away from a car he was looking at on the equivalent grounds.

 

Stirling Moss was frequently quoted as saying that Goodwood was famously free of jobsworths. No more.

 

Meanwhile I saw a tout selling tags for the MM, while leaning on a car in the car park directly over the road from the Bonhams entrance, on the Sunday. No security in sight then.

[ensign14]

A few Good-ies...

 

 

^ you can tell Tom's retired - it took him longer than four seconds to exit the Bentley

 

 

^ not looking good for Aubigny (NB: is this being scrapped for next year, or just a change of captains?)

 

 

^ when I first saw a pic of Moby Dick, I thought, no way is that a 911.  But up close and personal you can see there is one in there somewhere, beneath an extravagant bodykit

 

 

^ Derek Bennett obviously learnt to add lightess

 

 

^ Riccardo seemed to enjoy things, perhaps we will see him back and more active

 

 

^ K.R.I.T. - had never heard of this

 

 

^ the pointy end (Oakland Pike's Peak special recreation)

 

 

^ Gurney and AJ recreation (Cor Euser, of course)

 

 

^ the Squire is certainly a rare beast, and there were two at Goodwood.  This one being Gregor Fisken's personal transport, and I assume for sale, probably for a staggering amount

 

 

^ another personal transport; Gordon Murray certainly eats his own cooking

 

 

^ one thing with which we can surely all agree with Jeremy Clarkson; the Eagle Speedster is a stunning piece of kit.  Like the 1987 remix of Gary Numan's "Cars", sympathetic to the original, while still making it contemporarily thrilling

[sabrejet]

  I thought I was agreeing with your point.

 

Apologies: my p!ss and vinegar button broke at the weekend. 

[Derwent Motorsport]

I see the Squire had no front number plate. 

[ensign14]

I see the Squire had no front number plate. 

YES!  Only on the back.  I wondered if it had been driven on on trade plates.

 

Then again the car park was full of illegal number plates, the key offence being white on black post-1980.

[FastReader]

That Brabham BT52 is, for me, the epitome of what a modern grand prix car should look like. Just a shame that Riccardo Patrese wasn't there on Sunday to drive it (in my case, because I carried a book around all day that I was hoping to get him to sign  ).

Edited by FastReader, 18 April 2023 - 16:45.

[E1pix]

Good Lord, it’s finally Spring, racing is back to famed grounds, and all most of you guys do is bitch about it.

[sabrejet]

Good Lord, it’s finally Spring, racing is back to famed grounds, and all most of you guys do is bitch about it.

 

We're in praise of 99.9% and bitching about the rest.

[SteveJones]

K.R.I.T. Krit Motor Company, Detroit - only existed between 1909 and 1916 and the engine in this one is rather larger than originally fitted!!

[2F-001]

Well, I enjoyed all the racing hugely - and as I mentioned before am grateful for having been able to watch it online whilst nursing a bad back.

 

A few details of the commentary irked me mildly, but to no consequence. My earlier jibe about it was poorly phrased as it didn't convey the joke I was trying to make (and it wasn't funny or clever enough for me to bother trying again...!).

 

Though, to be fair, I do detest the use of the ghastly (and actually misappropriated) phrase 'early doors' wherever it is used...

[sabrejet]

Blink and you missed Pirro on two wheels.

 

[ensign14]

A few more:

 

 

^ roaming in the gloaming

 

 

^ remember those times when you were naughty and mom wouldn't let you go out and play

 

 

^ political metaphor?

 

 

^ Mike Wilds pulls shapes

 

 

^ Nettie Mason stuck in traffic

 

 

^ the Panhard Polish Mushroom exuded charisma

 

 

^ we are further away from Andy Wallace winning Le Mans than Andy Wallace winning Le Mans was from 774RW winning Le Mans - oog

 

 

^ Nine-eleven heaven

 

 

^ "yeah, I've greased the pressed nipple...when do I engage the parping couplet?"

 

 

^ not actually Dario

[john aston]

Well done for papping the Panhard, a marque  for which I have an inexplicable affection. It sure ain't the looks ...But the sight of this plug ugly little  bolide harrying an XK120 through Madgwick was one I won't forget . 

[70JesperOH]

... but what was the point of the Cortina race? 

 

I liked it immensly - a lot of close battles but always fair and usually sideways with a lot of talented drivers young and elder. It might be that some miss the view of the inside front wheel well above the ground, but looking at how much steering imput was going on to keep the cars on the optimum line was marvellous. And this is where Alice Powell had done some ground work as she told that she had had a go in one of the Cortinas during the week leading up to the weekend, so was abble to appreciate the talent it took to handle such a car.

 

During the prerace commentary for the Jim Clark Trophy it was said that all cars were now electronically limited to 8.000 rpms and that wheelbase was measured rigorously. As I understand it it has usually been a matter of moving the front wheels as far to the front as possible, effectively moving the relative heavy engine backwards in the car to create a front-mid engined configuration. Noting that there's little bodywork in front of the frontwheels I see the point.

 

Jesper 

[john aston]

The Cortina race was good , but practice (I don't take calls from Mr Qually when I'm at Goodwood ) was even better if you were there . The driver line up was astonishing , and it showed . I watched between Fordwater and St Mary's and the commitment , speed and skill on display was extraordinary . I keep banging on about Jake Hill but crikey he was something else , and I'd love to see him in a Cobra or Galaxie . 

 

But one make races and spec formulae are the bane of modern racing and I'd far, far rather see  Cortinas duking (ha!) it out with Minis and Falcons . One make races were rare novelty acts in period and I don't want to see any more at the MM . Although I'd make an exception for a full grid of BMW M1 Pro Cars ...  

[FastReader]

The Cortina race was good , but practice (I don't take calls from Mr Qually when I'm at Goodwood ) was even better if you were there . The driver line up was astonishing , and it showed . I watched between Fordwater and St Mary's and the commitment , speed and skill on display was extraordinary . I keep banging on about Jake Hill but crikey he was something else , and I'd love to see him in a Cobra or Galaxie . 

 

But one make races and spec formulae are the bane of modern racing and I'd far, far rather see  Cortinas duking (ha!) it out with Minis and Falcons . One make races were rare novelty acts in period and I don't want to see any more at the MM . Although I'd make an exception for a full grid of BMW M1 Pro Cars ...  

I entirely agree with you about one-make races but it seems to have become a regular thing at Goodwood in recent years. I've just received the race list for this year's Revival and there's one race (the Fordwater Trophy) for Porsche 911s and another (the Lavant Cup) for Ferrari GTs of 1960-66.