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What 2023 race result would be the biggest moment in racing this year?


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Poll: The most significant 2023 Race result possible (78 member(s) have cast votes)

What 2023 racing result you think would create the biggest headline?

  1. Lewis winning WDC #8 (46 votes [56.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.79%

  2. Marco Andretti Winning Indianapolis (2 votes [2.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.47%

  3. Helio becoming Indy's first 5-time winner (5 votes [6.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.17%

  4. Ferrari winning the Le Mans 24 hours (19 votes [23.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.46%

  5. Other, write it down in a reply (9 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

Which one of the options would be THE major headline for you personally?

  1. Lewis winning WDC #8 (36 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  2. Marco Andretti winning Indianapolis (6 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  3. Helio becoming Indy's first 5-time winner (5 votes [6.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.41%

  4. Ferrari winning the Le Mans 24 hours (22 votes [28.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.21%

  5. other, please mention in a reply (9 votes [11.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.54%

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#51 PayasYouRace

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 10:03

The Indy 500 was in decline after 1996 but still a very big deal. Much more name recognition and news value than CART, however beloved it was within racing circles at the time. That's why so many teams and sponsors from CART wanted to be there.

 

Brack's Indy 500 win was a much bigger deal than his IRL championship the year before though, I'll give you that.

 

I've always considered 2002 to be the crossover point in stature between CART and the IRL. Even though the 500 itself was still a fairly big deal in the early split days, the series was emphatically not. Certainly, in 1998, the IRL was still the poor relation to CART and none of the top teams would touch it with a bargepole.

 

The speed at which the tables turned is quite extraordinary when you look back at it. In 2000, Ganassi went to conquer Indy, but apart from that CART was still as strong as ever. In 2001, major races had switched series, and more teams were taking part in the 500, but CART still had a full field. Yet in 2002, CART's grid had been decimated to less than 20 regular cars, Penske was full time in IRL, and even more races were making the switch. Come 2003, the manufacturers had switched too, and CART was a one-make series, and more teams had switched full time, including Ganassi, Andretti-Green, Rahal, etc.

 

By 2004 the crossover was complete. CART had gone bust and only the stalwarts remained in the CCWS, with a reduced schedule and whoever could scrape together a programme. But the IRL was chock full of big names.

 

Since the unification, Indycar have been quite clear that both series count towards their history, but I think most would consider one above the other for most of those years, with one champion being the champion of the top series. From 1996 to 2001 it was CART, and from 2003 to 2007 it was IRL. So the big debate should be, whether Sam Hornish or Christiano da Matta should get the real plaudits for 2002.



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#52 RedRabbit

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 12:44

Even though the Alonso to win another F1 GP would be a big story, let's not forget that during his sabbatical he won virtually every other big race there is - Daytona 24, Le Mans 24 (twice) and the World Endurance Championship.

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 13:06

Even though the Alonso to win another F1 GP would be a big story, let's not forget that during his sabbatical he won virtually every other big race there is - Daytona 24, Le Mans 24 (twice) and the World Endurance Championship.

 

The one he did not win were the heartbreak at Indy.... I am not really an Alonso fan, but I and countless millions around the world not especially liking him were hoping SO much that he would win, it was heartbreaking when he broke down - And credit to the fans at Indy, they showed they really knew Alonso, and how big a deal it was he showed up.



#54 AlexPrime

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 15:44

Fernando winning a Grand Prix would be the biggest IMO.



#55 Beri

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 23:36

I've always considered 2002 to be the crossover point in stature between CART and the IRL. Even though the 500 itself was still a fairly big deal in the early split days, the series was emphatically not. Certainly, in 1998, the IRL was still the poor relation to CART and none of the top teams would touch it with a bargepole.
 
The speed at which the tables turned is quite extraordinary when you look back at it. In 2000, Ganassi went to conquer Indy, but apart from that CART was still as strong as ever. In 2001, major races had switched series, and more teams were taking part in the 500, but CART still had a full field. Yet in 2002, CART's grid had been decimated to less than 20 regular cars, Penske was full time in IRL, and even more races were making the switch. Come 2003, the manufacturers had switched too, and CART was a one-make series, and more teams had switched full time, including Ganassi, Andretti-Green, Rahal, etc.
 
By 2004 the crossover was complete. CART had gone bust and only the stalwarts remained in the CCWS, with a reduced schedule and whoever could scrape together a programme. But the IRL was chock full of big names.
 
Since the unification, Indycar have been quite clear that both series count towards their history, but I think most would consider one above the other for most of those years, with one champion being the champion of the top series. From 1996 to 2001 it was CART, and from 2003 to 2007 it was IRL. So the big debate should be, whether Sam Hornish or Christiano da Matta should get the real plaudits for 2002.


Couldn't have laid it out better myself. And that's why I can't see Brack as A winner of THE premier open wheel racing series in the US.

On the other hand, McLaughlin also seems to be a serious challenger this season. So a Kiwi taking the crown would be a first for a Kiwi, isn't it?

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 00:50

Ouch, now that's ice-cold man, just ice-cold.



#57 SKL

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 03:23

Mine would be Alonso winning a race this year.   Sorry, but I don't want Helio to win 5 as I really don't think he actually won 4  (ask the chrome horn).  He really gets on my nerves.  The other choices don't register with either except for possibly another Andretti win at Indy but that really  isn't too realistic....



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Posted 04 May 2023 - 07:25

How about Massa winning the 2008 title 15 years after 2008?

Not gonna happen, even though I am sympathetic to him and his case.

 

Hamilton reduced to 6 WDC's (unless they make it a co-WDC win) would in that case the bigger issue, on so many levels. Quite frankly, that would be the biggest issue of the year.

 

Also consider many championships being re trialled. 2021 defenatly, The case however would make FIA the defender in that case and the judge. It seems to me the sport is bigger than any one competitor or entity.

 

IMO there are always things happen where people make mistakes. We then debate those mistakes up and down, left and right. But once things have calmed down, it's better to not to pick them up again. For example there are many Hamilton fans that consider him having won de-facto 8 WDC's. It's hard to disagree with them. If they take the 2008 crown from him, then so what? Massa will not win anything, except a note in history, with an asterix explaining the issue. But F1 will suffer badly from it. And the big picture seems to me more important. That's why I am saying it won't happen for Massa. There is too much at stake.



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Posted 04 May 2023 - 07:53

Couldn't have laid it out better myself. And that's why I can't see Brack as A winner of THE premier open wheel racing series in the US.

On the other hand, McLaughlin also seems to be a serious challenger this season. So a Kiwi taking the crown would be a first for a Kiwi, isn't it?

 

Ooooo... them's fightin' words, but we hear ya.
 
Incoming from across the ditch...


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#60 Risil

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 09:17

On the other hand, McLaughlin also seems to be a serious challenger this season. So a Kiwi taking the crown would be a first for a Kiwi, isn't it?

Dixon!



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Posted 27 November 2023 - 13:14

Thread bump as most racing series have finished for the year.

 

 

For me, the answer is unquestionably Ferrari's first overall Le Mans win since 1965. I still can't believe it.



#62 Sterzo

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Posted 27 November 2023 - 13:52

Rick Morris finishing 27th in the 2023 Formula Ford Festival.

 

OK, he was last of those running at the end (though he had been higher up) but he'd made it through heats, semi finals and the "last chance" race in a historic car (up against many newer ones) to reach the final. And Rick has been racing in FF since the nineteen seventies, and is now well into his own seventies.



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Posted 27 November 2023 - 14:06

Zarco finally winning a MotoGP race



#64 Ruudbackus

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Posted 27 November 2023 - 14:08

I hadn't voted as I didn't notice the thread. But to me the Lemans victory of Ferrari stands out. 



#65 Dan333SP

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Posted 27 November 2023 - 17:39

Thread bump as most racing series have finished for the year.

 

 

For me, the answer is unquestionably Ferrari's first overall Le Mans win since 1965. I still can't believe it.

 

100% agree. Just the fact that Ferrari is producing a line of 499Ps for very rich Corse Clienti clients tells you how valuable this win was to them, far more valuable than Toyota cakewalking the remainder of the WEC season. 



#66 ARTGP

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 01:11

Autosport mag voted Ferrari's Le Mans win as their racing moment of the year: Ferrari’s Le Mans 24 Hours win named Autosport’s Moment of the Year


Edited by ARTGP, 05 December 2023 - 01:12.


#67 krapmeister

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 02:40

SVG at Detroit has to be up there

#68 LolaB0860

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 05:57

SVG at Detroit has to be up there


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Posted 05 December 2023 - 06:35

Thanks - I always get those 2 mixed up :lol:

#70 Henri Greuter

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 07:51

100% agree. Just the fact that Ferrari is producing a line of 499Ps for very rich Corse Clienti clients tells you how valuable this win was to them, far more valuable than Toyota cakewalking the remainder of the WEC season. 

 

 

To be honest, for me the high expectations we had about this year's WEC season thanks to all those new entrants and new cars were not at all warranted after all. 

Look what we saw on the podium top spots,,,

Perhaps this was to be expected given the experience Toyota had gained with Hypercar spec cars in the past years already.

 

For me, this season of WEC was indeed saved by, of all races, the Yellow Ribbon event of the season. And I do acknowledge that it took that last minute BOP change which infuriated a number of Toyota supporters over here

Unfair to Toyota? Maybe.

But it helped creating a race that was entertaining from beginning to end and, indeed, created the one headline that was by far the best promotion WEC could have this year and needed too given the fact that Toyota took away all the other Silverware.

 

 

For me, Le Mans saved WEC from being a letdown this season. I hope next year will be better and Toyota getting way more solid opposition that will make them work for the victories and fail on occasion too.

 

And indeed, Le Mans did, at least for me, provide `the` racing headline of the year,

With Singapore F1 a close second, not because of the event itself but because of being the one that prevented what could have become another major headline in racing this season in the aftermath of Abu Dahbi.



#71 Beri

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 10:04

Ferrari winning certainly was a feelgood moment in a year where otherwise it already clear how things would pan out. And this goes for probably all racing series. Even in MotoGP it was clear that, with all due respect, an extraordinary performance all year by a driver for a sattelite team, would not win it from a factory driver.



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Posted 05 December 2023 - 15:08

 

For me, this season of WEC was indeed saved by, of all races, the Yellow Ribbon event of the season. And I do acknowledge that it took that last minute BOP change which infuriated a number of Toyota supporters over here

Unfair to Toyota? Maybe.

But it helped creating a race that was entertaining from beginning to end and, indeed, created the one headline that was by far the best promotion WEC could have this year and needed too given the fact that Toyota took away all the other Silverware.

 

 

I think the fact that Toyota didn't win is a red herring, the pre-race BoP change timing wasn't great but the change put them dead even with Ferrari on race pace (within a tenth of a second a lap over an 8+ mile lap) and they could easily have won but had some mistakes that cost them, but that's a whole different discussion. Agree that with all the hype and stellar entry, it's a shame that the only race with any real excitement and interest was Le Mans, but then again, it was a great race and that's the one that gets 95% of the attention so if any of the races are good it better be that one. 



#73 Henri Greuter

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 16:35

I think the fact that Toyota didn't win is a red herring, the pre-race BoP change timing wasn't great but the change put them dead even with Ferrari on race pace (within a tenth of a second a lap over an 8+ mile lap) and they could easily have won but had some mistakes that cost them, but that's a whole different discussion. Agree that with all the hype and stellar entry, it's a shame that the only race with any real excitement and interest was Le Mans, but then again, it was a great race and that's the one that gets 95% of the attention so if any of the races are good it better be that one. 

We agree?  Hey there's hope for us after all!

Just kidding OK?

I fully agree with you that if there was one race to choose that would not be part of a Toyota whitewash of the season, then it had to be Le Mans for the exact reasons you gave.



#74 DW46

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 18:12

Really enjoyed Le Mans this year but I did feel reading here the day before about BOP did take away some of the magic.

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 19:07

Peugeot finishing Le Mans.


Close enough I guess.

#76 Dan333SP

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Posted 05 December 2023 - 22:47

Really enjoyed Le Mans this year but I did feel reading here the day before about BOP did take away some of the magic.

 

Self care with any BoP stuff is just actively avoid reading about it. Maybe it's a bit of professional wrestling suspension of disbelief sort of behavior, but I just accept that it exists and tune out the rest during the race itself so I can enjoy it. 



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Posted 06 December 2023 - 08:40

Ferrari at Le Mans was pretty special. And also the only thing that really happened. Poor Lewis didn't even win a race.