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#1 tonyed

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 16:34

The circus, no not the old continental circus, I refer to the recent incarnation of the performing monkeys that populate the grid of MotoGP.

Time to wind it up before it becomes F1  :wave:  :wave:  :wave:  :wave:  



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#2 Risil

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Posted 30 April 2023 - 19:54

I thought the race was great!



#3 tonyed

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Posted 01 May 2023 - 04:05

How long did the race take though compared with the other 'entertainments' offered?

Plus the constant 'input' of MotoGPs 'VAR' which seems to be more haphazard in its awarding of in race penalties than even football can offer.

No Sunday warm up for the Moto2 and Moto3 classes whilst the MortoGP riders are forced into an enclosed area to 'interact' with the fans, who presumably pay for the 'privilege'.

The MotoGP grid walkabout for the visiting VIPs whilst the riders are trying to focus on the race ahead. 

The silly little 'Banzai' sprint race, a hopeless circus stunt. 

Racing 'idustrialised' no longer a sport but a saleable commodity.

The racing is often good BUT!



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Posted 01 May 2023 - 09:06

Sadly all sports are starting to cater for the easily distracted, short attention span public.

F1 is trying to pander to the USA market, where the safety car is out for the slightest thing, all to re bunch the pack and re awaken the spectators and they do love a 1 lap dash to the flag.

Cricket went from 5 day to 3 day to 1 day to 60 overs to 40 overs to 20 overs and now 10 over games. And it's still boring for me.

Other sports have shortened their formats too.

Eventually Russian roulette is the only game in town and subtle skills in any sport are gone.



#5 tonyed

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Posted 01 May 2023 - 10:15

They've ruined 'Russian Roulette' as well by using a loaded single shot pistol. Is Nothing sacred?  :(



#6 Revetts

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Posted 01 May 2023 - 11:39

Totally agree with tonyed's views expressed in post3. MotoGP ceased to be a real sport several years back to become "a show". Big money gets involved and filters down through all the levels of all the "sports" to become major businesses. I suppose some regard this as progress, but at what long term cost? Sadly we can't return to the past to enjoy pure racing as it was.



#7 tonyed

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 06:07

 

As it should be, complete with horrible music and tuneless whistling.  :clap:



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Posted 02 May 2023 - 08:40

How long did the race take though compared with the other 'entertainments' offered?

Plus the constant 'input' of MotoGPs 'VAR' which seems to be more haphazard in its awarding of in race penalties than even football can offer.

No Sunday warm up for the Moto2 and Moto3 classes whilst the MortoGP riders are forced into an enclosed area to 'interact' with the fans, who presumably pay for the 'privilege'.

The MotoGP grid walkabout for the visiting VIPs whilst the riders are trying to focus on the race ahead. 

The silly little 'Banzai' sprint race, a hopeless circus stunt. 

Racing 'idustrialised' no longer a sport but a saleable commodity.

The racing is often good BUT!

Damn it, I agree with all this :p



#9 tonyed

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Posted 02 May 2023 - 12:25

I suppose also as many things are they fall victim to fact that with 90 million TV channels broadcasting 80 hours a day they have to fill up the hours with constantly regurgitated crap.

Watch a football match on Sky and the pundits are pontificating about anything from the colour of the refs underpants to the significance of the managers astrological signs 3 weeks before kick off.

The actual match is of little significance save for the 'controversial' moments in the 90 minutes which give the pundits more opportunities  to waste yet another significant proportion of the viewers lives whilst they ponder whether the attacking forwards extended beer belly was in an offside position 0.111 nanometers in front of the defenders ingrowing toenail. 

Perhaps we should consider ourselves fortunate that we are not one of the 'unfortunates' glued to the screen for six continuous weeks watching the 'Kazakhstan' open snooker or the 'Back of Beyond' Darts championship played out at the 'Crucible at the End of the Universe'.

Alternatively we could just abandon all of this poop and get out in the workshop restoring yet another relic of our proud history.

Promise, if anyone has a cheap YZR 500 they'll sell me to restore (I already have a stock of the 'rocking horse ****' spilt crank bearings) you'll never hear from me again.  :smoking:     



#10 billlawrence

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 04:05

of course Tonyed is right in many things but you have to admit the racing is very good and close .I remember Surtees Ago lapping the entire field riders with start money specials start do a lap and retire win the world championship and not do the last few rounds  I supose we cant have it all  can we    Bill 



#11 tonyed

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 06:08

Still compared with the 'medieval extravaganza' scheduled for the UK this weekend I suppose even the world knitting championships from Tierra Del Fuego look like the more promising for the weekend, unless you want WSK from Barcelona  :smoking:  



#12 billlawrence

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 06:19

long live the king



#13 GregThomas

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 07:46

of course Tonyed is right in many things but you have to admit the racing is very good and close .I remember Surtees Ago lapping the entire field riders with start money specials start do a lap and retire win the world championship and not do the last few rounds  I supose we cant have it all  can we    Bill 

 

The whole of the grid now has sponsors to answer to. Sponsors are paying for exposure so the days of starting money specials are gone. To drop a round now requires some serious medical certification. Professionalism brings obligations whether you like it or not

 

BTW I hear the fix is in at the World knitting Champs. I wouldn't risk a bet..I hear the Aussie Merino breeders have managed to introduce a ringer.


Edited by GregThomas, 03 May 2023 - 07:48.


#14 tonyed

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Posted 03 May 2023 - 17:07

'BTW I hear the fix is in at the World knitting Champs. I wouldn't risk a bet..I hear the Aussie Merino breeders have managed to introduce a ringer.'

 

Not surprised it's been on the dark web for weeks.

'Bandit' knitting needles I've heard.  :mad: 

 

Nice one in the Guardian today, after the 'Elizabethan' era have we entered the era of the 'Charlatans'  :confused: 

Been there since I was born 72.4 years ago.  :wave: 

 

  


Edited by tonyed, 03 May 2023 - 23:31.


#15 billlawrence

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Posted 04 May 2023 - 08:01

off with his head



#16 tonyed

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Posted 12 May 2023 - 11:03

Have you noticed how MotoGP bikes are getting to look like some nightmare from 'Red Dwarf'?  :down:  



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Posted 13 May 2023 - 07:12

I understand MM93's new Kalex chassis has a tow attachment fitted to the front of the bike :cool: .

 

On a historical note, I do not remember grabbing a tow for qualifying ever being an issue in the premier class before MM93 made it his standard practice. Am I forgetting, is it because qualifying wasn't such a big deal (yes, possibly in the 70s, but since the 80s fields have been competitive enough for qualifying to matter) or is it because it is really is a Marquez thing?



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Posted 13 May 2023 - 10:28

I believe towing has been part of the circus for a long while. Maybe not so obvious as it has become though. The lightweight bikes have done it for years!  It is not against the regulations and is just another tactic. It goes on at all level of motorcycle racing. I bet there are very few ex-racers who haven't done this at some time in their career, including most who read this :clap:



#19 tonyed

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Posted 13 May 2023 - 10:44

Getting a tow or slipstreaming is and always has been part of racing, but hanging around, going at a slow speed to let the tow come past your caravan should always be penalised.

If you've gone slowly through the preceding section(s) then the lap should be annulled. 

Same goes for my other pet hate (amongst many, grumpy old git) is overriding in qualifying, crashing and causing other riders to loose a lap under the yellow flag that results why the marshalls recover the crashed prat. This should result in the crashed rider loosing his fastest lap AS THIS IS CHEATING. 



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Posted 13 May 2023 - 16:44

Getting a tow or slipstreaming is and always has been part of racing, but hanging around, going at a slow speed to let the tow come past your caravan should always be penalised.

If you've gone slowly through the preceding section(s) then the lap should be annulled. 

Same goes for my other pet hate (amongst many, grumpy old git) is overriding in qualifying, crashing and causing other riders to loose a lap under the yellow flag that results why the marshalls recover the crashed prat. This should result in the crashed rider loosing his fastest lap AS THIS IS CHEATING. 

And the greatest cheater of all (on four wheels anyway), Michael Schumacher, was the past master of this.



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Posted 13 May 2023 - 22:42

Think he only did it once, at Monaco. Doesn't excuse his dirty driving which he learnt from Senna and took to even worse extremes

#22 tonyed

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Posted 14 May 2023 - 13:12

I see that due to inflation, the Moto2 and Moto3 GPs are reduced by three laps each over last year. 

As with many 'products' same cost less product.  :down:

Plenty more jaw jaw from the pundits.

How many time do the idiots use the word 'unbelievable'. I think it is an unbelievable amount of times.  :(

Following the apparent success of the Kalex chassis on the 'Honda' MotoGP bike they are going to commission an engine form KTM and call it the 'Honda' just like they do in Moto2 with the Kalex framed Triumph. 

Should the fraud squad be informed?


Edited by tonyed, 14 May 2023 - 13:15.


#23 tonyed

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Posted 15 May 2023 - 08:50

'Aggressive pre-race arm massage', this caused arm pump for Fabio Quatararo which hampered his race.

It's beginning to sound like a bit like 'the dog ate my homework' Fabio.

The book of excuses is running dry.

Get the physio to do an aggressive pre-race head massage and be a bit more like Marki-Marc and finish Kitty Litter Side Up. :(

The bowling balls were certainly out in force, all in all a fine French GP, all classes, for the suppliers racing leathers and carbon fibre.  :smoking:



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Posted 16 May 2023 - 02:21

I'm sure I heard the commentator say that the winner of Sunday's Moto3 race was suffering from 'arm pump'.  How can that happen when they only use brakes about twice a lap.

 

What puts me off MotoGP is the apparently slowness of the bikes, which has been caused by the awful camera positions/angles, along with the closeups every time the field goes through a corner.  In fact, the broadcasting of motorsport across the board is without doubt shite. Dorna/FOM etc have more interest in showing trackside adverts, pits and spectators, than the do the actual racing.