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[ARTGP]

Only 3 drivers have scored points in every race of 2023 so far now, and that's Max, Fernando & Lewis.

 

The three amigos  

Edited by ARTGP, 28 May 2023 - 18:47.

[Rumblestrip]

Perez pitting on Lap 1 on hards. I swear I saw one post suggesting that pre race. RB strategy team reading Autosport forum? /s

 

That would've been me. Although it would've been more impressive if it had worked out slightly better for Perez...

[ARTGP]

That would've been me. Although it would've been more impressive if it had worked out slightly better for Perez...

 

I reckon he could have picked up a P7-P9 had he not made a mess of it in addition to help from a well timed stop for inters. 

Edited by ARTGP, 28 May 2023 - 18:54.

[Jerem]

My DOTD was Sargeant who managed to prove that it is possible to overtake in Monaco!
And not just in one place, but namely at Mirabeau, Loews, Nouvelle Chicane, Rascasse and Anthony Noghès (and maybe I missed some).

[SenorSjon]

My DOTD was Sargeant who managed to prove that it is possible to overtake in Monaco!
And not just in one place, but namely at Mirabeau, Loews, Nouvelle Chicane, Rascasse and Anthony Noghès (and maybe I missed some).

We've seen cars keep the lead with no front grip or ERS, yet Sargeant was letting everyone pass.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Also, watching this race and especially when it became wet, it just highlighted how heavy and lethargic these cars are, the drivers can’t really coax them around to try different lines or get creative not helped of course by the rubbish Pirelli tyres.

[Heyli]

lol

 

https://twitter.com/...826449542283264

[scheivlak]

We've seen cars keep the lead with no front grip or ERS, yet Sargeant was letting everyone pass.

I don't think one might call Logan's Williams a car capable of leading a race.

[milestone 11]

What on earth was the medal Max was given all about, some kind of Ben award?

[KWSN - DSM]

Plenty of overtakes today.

[RPM40]

It took Verstappen 4 laps or so to get temperature in the inters. We could have had a battle between him and Alonso (the gap was 15,5s at one point).

 

I do see what Aston were going for, if they pitted for fresh softs they would have put Red Bull in a difficult situation. It was a roll of the dice. But this is correct, the undercut onto the inters also could of worked and that is the strategy they should have taken.

[FirstnameLastname]

Rain in the final stages of Monaco…. Should be a classic race for sure no?

[scheivlak]

Also, watching this race and especially when it became wet, it just highlighted how heavy and lethargic these cars are, the drivers can’t really coax them around to try different lines or get creative not helped of course by the rubbish Pirelli tyres.

Trying different lines is a rather tricky thing to do on a narrow track with paint everywhere and the armco this close.

[HP]

This is Monaco.
Everyone wants to win but you have to be reasonable. It’s the best possible result I’d say. So, sorry I‘m not crying.

 

Well I get what you want to say. But there is Toto's remark later about the car. JIt has gone from "awful" to "not good" according to their drivers. Says it all IMO.

Edited by HP, 29 May 2023 - 00:33.

[crgboy007]

What on earth was the medal Max was given all about, some kind of Ben award?

 

Every winner of a Grand Prix has been getting a medal since Abu Dhabi 2022. 

[AustinF1]

Interesting race.

 

Random thoughts:

 

- Race would have been a lot more interesting had Max not been able to go as deep on the Ms as he did. Kudos to him for holding out just long enough. 

- Smart move by Alonso to go with hards and just line up oriented specifically to cut off Ocon and give him no hope into St. Devote.

- Checo bumper cars, wtf.

- Russell's 5 second penalty ended up being no penalty at all, for an egregiously unsafe rejoining of the race. Again, that should be a demotion of x positions either in this race or the next.

- F-ing KMag.

- Yuki's Radio rules.

- Lewis, unsafe to race?  C'mon man. 

- Hulk SMASH!

- Stroll, wow.

- Ocon as DotD? Eh, ok. Dude was one of the slowest people on track throughout and did nothing but hold people up all day, but whatever.

- At least they weren't allowed to drive like absolute crazy people like we saw at Indy today. What a shitshow. I think they're trying to get someone killt.

[milestone 11]

Every winner of a Grand Prix has been getting a medal since Abu Dhabi 2022.

Really? I wasn't aware of that. Thanks, more bullshit to bring to the show.

[FirstnameLastname]

https://twitter.com/...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

Shows how little action there was during the race.

[IrvTheSwerve]

https://twitter.com/...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

Shows how little action there was during the race.

There was plenty of action. Just not 100 DRS overtakes.

 

That graphic is actually quite hectic for a Monaco GP.

 

Again, I don’t know what people expect…

[MKSixer]

There was plenty of action. Just not 100 DRS overtakes.

 

That graphic is actually quite hectic for a Monaco GP.

 

Again, I don’t know what people expect…

When they finally do bring in Lorries to race at Monaco, it won't be much different than this.  The race spiced up after the rain.  Prior to that, it was a typical Monaco dull-fest.  

[IrvTheSwerve]

When they finally do bring in Lorries to race at Monaco, it won't be much different than this.  The race spiced up after the rain.  Prior to that, it was a typical Monaco dull-fest.  

 

I don't disagree about the massive F1 cars hindering things around Monaco, but I think there was enough going on to keep it at least moderately interesting, even before the rain. Alonso was keeping Max honest and there was some actual overtaking and people taking risks. I'm not saying it was a classic by any means, but certainly no worse than a lot of races at tracks that are easy to overtake at.

 

I don't understand the 'it was only decent because of the rain' arguments...the fact is it did rain and this is the race that we had, which was fairly decent. Not a 10/10 but people had decided that it was a rubbish race even before the weekend had started. It was a good weekend...excellent qualifying and a decent, rain-affected race.

 

If Alonso had jumped Max at the front, I'm sure many would have been calling it a classic. There's far too much focus on the fact that Max won from start to finish, ignoring a lot of the story behind the actual victory, IMO.

[JimmyClark]

I think this weekend proved Monaco still has its place on the calendar; it was probably the best weekend of the year so far, to be honest, in terms of intrigue and talking points. 

 

I would bring the length of the race in keeping with all the others (so 93 laps). This should help make tyre strategy more 'on edge', and make the race even more of a feat of physicality and concentration for the drivers. 

Edited by JimmyClark, 29 May 2023 - 16:32.

[eibyyz]

How long has that same yellow Nissan ute been parked at the hairpin after the tunnel?  At least ten years.  Didn't know the ACM was that broke! :-)

[baddog]

https://twitter.com/...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

Shows how little action there was during the race.

 

It serves as an object less in why if you don't watch something you don't really know anything about it.

[GenJackRipper]

One thing they really should fix is to take away that bump in the street outside the Hotel Metropole.
I know its historic, but that straight down to Mirabeu could be a place for overtaking if it wasn't for that bump.

The second thing they should do is to make the cars go around the Portier roundabout, but I guess that takes a little more convincing and whatnot.
The bump could be fixed rather quick.

[Risil]

I think this weekend proved Monaco still has its place on the calendar; it was probably the best weekend of the year so far, to be honest, in terms of intrigue and talking points. 

 

I would bring the length of the race in keeping with all the others (so 93 laps). This should help make tyre strategy more 'on edge', and make the race even more of a feat of physicality and concentration for the drivers. 

 

Yeah, arguably quite a low bar but the best race of the year for me as well.

 

Might as well make it 100 laps while you're at it, reunite with tradition.

[GenJackRipper]

If Spa 98 hadn't rained it would have been a snoozefest too.

 

Auntie, balls, etc.

 

Ifa my mother was a bikea, she woulda have wheels!

[GenJackRipper]

Big props to the production with its new camera angles. Wow, wow, wow!

[PayasYouRace]

One thing they really should fix is to take away that bump in the street outside the Hotel Metropole.
I know its historic, but that straight down to Mirabeu could be a place for overtaking if it wasn't for that bump.

The second thing they should do is to make the cars go around the Portier roundabout, but I guess that takes a little more convincing and whatnot.
The bump could be fixed rather quick.

You can’t remove that bump because it’s a junction with another road.

Adding a slow hairpin round Portier wouldn’t change much either.

[GenJackRipper]

You can’t remove that bump because it’s a junction with another road.

Adding a slow hairpin round Portier wouldn’t change much either.

 

Not sue what you mean, the intersection is quite large and there shouldn't be any problem in shaving of that bump. Its due to a underground tree stump.

 

The roundabout wouldn't be slow, a lot quicker than the hairpin and rascasse, and there you do see overtakings.
It would also increase the lenght of the straight into the tunnel. You can always see that cars just about can pass before the chicane. A few more meters thanks to the roundabout section, would give drivers that opportunity.

 

Edit: I'm trying to add images without any success.
Anyhow: Bump in the road: https://performanced...n-4-630x418.jpg

Portier roundabout: https://i.ibb.co/khVXRPx/portier.png

Edited by GenJackRipper, 30 May 2023 - 09:25.

[Myrvold]

It would also increase the lenght of the straight into the tunnel. You can always see that cars just about can pass before the chicane. A few more meters thanks to the roundabout section, would give drivers that opportunity.

 

How would the increased speed affect turbulent air and downforce levels in the tunnel-corner though?

[GenJackRipper]

How would the increased speed affect turbulent air and downforce levels in the tunnel-corner though?

 

No clue.

[Clatter]

Not sue what you mean, the intersection is quite large and there shouldn't be any problem in shaving of that bump. Its due to a underground tree stump.


The roundabout wouldn't be slow, a lot quicker than the hairpin and rascasse, and there you do see overtakings.
It would also increase the lenght of the straight into the tunnel. You can always see that cars just about can pass before the chicane. A few more meters thanks to the roundabout section, would give drivers that opportunity.



Edit: I'm trying to add images without any success.
Anyhow: Bump in the road: https://performanced...n-4-630x418.jpg
Portier roundabout: https://i.ibb.co/khVXRPx/portier.png

Tree stump or tree root? I doubt they would leave a stump rotting away under the tarmac, and if its a root, then they likely can't shave the tarmac without risking killing the tree.

[IrvTheSwerve]

I’m just shocked that there’s a McDonald’s at Portier… 

[PayasYouRace]

Not sue what you mean, the intersection is quite large and there shouldn't be any problem in shaving of that bump. Its due to a underground tree stump.


The roundabout wouldn't be slow, a lot quicker than the hairpin and rascasse, and there you do see overtakings.
It would also increase the lenght of the straight into the tunnel. You can always see that cars just about can pass before the chicane. A few more meters thanks to the roundabout section, would give drivers that opportunity.



Edit: I'm trying to add images without any success.
Anyhow: Bump in the road: https://performanced...n-4-630x418.jpg
Portier roundabout: https://i.ibb.co/khVXRPx/portier.png

You can see in that photo that the bump is caused by the junction with the road coming in from the right, which would mess up the junction completely if you tried to shave it down. It’s not like that bump is stopping moves into Mirabeau either.

It would be a touch faster than Lowes but not much to speak of. The added straight at Portier would be negligible for an F1 car. It would just add an extra corner just as slow as it all is now. It would t make any real different out of the tunnel, and actually removes the opportunist overtaking spot that Portier often is.

This suggestion comes up every year and it just doesn’t make any real difference.

[GenJackRipper]

You can see in that photo that the bump is caused by the junction with the road coming in from the right, which would mess up the junction completely if you tried to shave it down. It’s not like that bump is stopping moves into Mirabeau either.

It would be a touch faster than Lowes but not much to speak of. The added straight at Portier would be negligible for an F1 car. It would just add an extra corner just as slow as it all is now. It would t make any real different out of the tunnel, and actually removes the opportunist overtaking spot that Portier often is.

This suggestion comes up every year and it just doesn’t make any real difference.

 

The bump is definetly prohibiting an overtake because drivers can go side by side all the way from Massenet through Casino and could use the downhill to pass. But not possible now.

[Clatter]

The bump is definetly prohibiting an overtake because drivers can go side by side all the way from Massenet through Casino and could use the downhill to pass. But not possible now.

And if there was the remotest chance of someone pulling alongside the defending driver would just sit in the middle of track. They are not going to stay on the left just because the bump isn't there.

[IrvTheSwerve]

You could argue that the bump makes Mirabeau a bit safer, with the cars taking a small bit of energy away having to weave a bit.

[PayasYouRace]

The bump is definetly prohibiting an overtake because drivers can go side by side all the way from Massenet through Casino and could use the downhill to pass. But not possible now.

When have drivers ever left Casino side by side? Passes are made into Mirabeau under braking. The little weave to avoid the bump isn’t changing anything.

Other than that, what Clatter said.

[Roadhouse]

 

Highlights during the wet stage, interesting to hear the team radio.

 

Russell trying to steer race direction towards a safety car was a bit annoying.

Alonso delivered input which led to the Medium tyre decision.

Magnussen heavily gambled on a red flag.

Edited by Roadhouse, 30 May 2023 - 14:04.

[ForzaFormula]

Good compare of Alonso vs Max qualifying Q3 Monaco,

 

You can see the amount of front grip the redbull car has, Alonso understeers and does not have the turn in or confidence under braking as Max in the RedBull, big difference in front end turn in and engine braking, Alonso mostly lost the pole just on that one turn when he got a bit of understeer as his car just does not have the front end grip of the redbull, which also ruined his flow going out the last turn. 

 

https://youtu.be/hbDZJF7n1bI?t=64

 

If only Alonso was given a chance in that RedBull.

[ANF]

I hope it was his call gambling on mediums and trying to close the gap before Verstappen's expected stop.

The radio/onboard highlights show that Alonso was the one suggesting the medium tyre. (Doesn't surprise me at all; the team telling Alonso which tyre to be on in the wet would have been crazy.)

[F1 Mike]

Yeah it was a decision Fernando made based on all the information the team was giving him. At the time what he was experienced was only the rain in one section of the track and it looked like the rest of the track was going to escape the wet.
At that exact moment, it was probably the correct decision but the rain then intensified at the wrong moment.
Just terrible luck unfortunately

[JeePee]

Good compare of Alonso vs Max qualifying Q3 Monaco,

You can see the amount of front grip the redbull car has, Alonso understeers and does not have the turn in or confidence under braking as Max in the RedBull, big difference in front end turn in and engine braking, Alonso mostly lost the pole just on that one turn when he got a bit of understeer as his car just does not have the front end grip of the redbull, which also ruined his flow going out the last turn.

https://youtu.be/hbDZJF7n1bI?t=64

If only Alonso was given a chance in that RedBull.

Making balance and grip observations from an unofficial and not-so-accurate 3D animation. Nice. I bet you can also see downforce.

[Roadhouse]

Jolyon Palmer analyzing the differences between Max and Fernando in S3.

[jonpollak]

Just so all y’all (plural of y’all) know what really matters to racing drivers……

https://twitter.com/...tCLRgzN2HXWvyAQ

Jp

[Ivanhoe]

 

Good compare of Alonso vs Max qualifying Q3 Monaco,

 

You can see the amount of front grip the redbull car has, Alonso understeers and does not have the turn in or confidence under braking as Max in the RedBull, big difference in front end turn in and engine braking, Alonso mostly lost the pole just on that one turn when he got a bit of understeer as his car just does not have the front end grip of the redbull, which also ruined his flow going out the last turn. 

 

https://youtu.be/hbDZJF7n1bI?t=64

 

If only Alonso was given a chance in that RedBull.

 

 

Jolyon Palmer analyzing the differences between Max and Fernando in S3.

 

The difference between a biased analysis based on an amateur animation and a proper expert analysis based on real footage.

[Ragingjamaican]

Was it just me, or did Monaco look horrible with the over done advertising boards? It looked so different and reminded me of an FE race.

[thefinalapex]

 

Good compare of Alonso vs Max qualifying Q3 Monaco,

 

You can see the amount of front grip the redbull car has, Alonso understeers and does not have the turn in or confidence under braking as Max in the RedBull, big difference in front end turn in and engine braking, Alonso mostly lost the pole just on that one turn when he got a bit of understeer as his car just does not have the front end grip of the redbull, which also ruined his flow going out the last turn. 

 

https://youtu.be/hbDZJF7n1bI?t=64

 

If only Alonso was given a chance in that RedBull.