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[CharlesWinstone]

Or Maldonados . Now that would be interesting.

Or Russels. Think of the radiomessages.

[KeithD68]

F1 did lots of research about how to make the racing better.

Red Bull did lots of research about how to make the racing worse - by having a car much faster than the rest.

 

Following Sergio Perez's crash at Monaco we've had a glimpse at the very intricate floor on the Red Bull, which seems to have bamboozled all the other teams.

 

Given the way things are now any major advantage seems to be "locked in" for pretty much an entire rule set, it's going to be difficult for the racing to get any better up front any time soon.

 

So, if closer and better racing is what the rules should be about, how would you feel about a standard floor being introduced for all cars?

 

 

If you make the cars bullet proof, allow the teams to optimise their set up through the week running lap after lap in very accurate simulators, measure how fast the cars are on Saturday, and then line them up in order of speed on Sunday, why would anyone expect an exciting race?

 

Its not Red Bulls fault, like it wasn't Mercedes fault, they just happen to be the team who got the car design right this time around, you don't fix this by shackling the engineers

 

Making a floor spec is just tweaking around the edges and doesn't get to the root of the problem

Edited by KeithD68, 25 June 2023 - 08:47.

[pdac]

If you make the cars bullet proof, allow the teams to optimise their set up through the week running lap after lap in very accurate simulators, measure how fast the cars are on Saturday, and then line them up in order of speed on Sunday, why would anyone expect an exciting race?

 

Its not Red Bulls fault, like it wasn't Mercedes fault, they just happen to be the team who got the car design right this time around, you don't fix this by shackling the engineers

 

Making a floor spec is just tweaking around the edges and doesn't get to the root of the problem

 

You forgot about allowing them to collect immense amounts of data on the tracks that they race on and the way the tyres perform so that they can have a very good idea of exactly how to set up the car before they even reach the circuit on a GP weekend.

[7MGTEsup]

I'm just jumping into the thread and not answering the initial question, but - not necessarily more than other recent ones, but locked-in dominance is very much a 21st century phenomenon. Ferrari winning everything from 2000-2004, Red Bull from 2010-2013, Mercedes from 2014-2020, and we'll see how long Red Bull lasts. This never used to happen to this extent. From 2000 to 2020, 16 years out of 21 have been part of a run of 4 or more consecutive titles for a team (winning both drivers and constructors). 2021 and 2022 are likely to join that, but it's still too early to say but this would make 20 out of 25 to 2024. So the only period not included is 2005 to 2009.

 

Obviously not every year within those 4+ title runs was dominant, but the pattern exists.

 

From 1980 to the year 1999 only 1995 spoiled the Williams, McLaren and Ferrari party. If the 1995 Williams had been more reliable Williams would have won 6 WCC's on the trot. McLaren won 4 on the trot from 1988 - 1991. 1984 - 1998 was a Williams McLaren love inn with only Benetton spoiling the party once. Just swap out McLaren for Merc and Williams for Redbull and it all looks pretty familiar from 2000 onward with the odd upstart spoiling the party.

 

1980 Williams

1981 Williams

1982 Ferrari

1983 Ferrari

1984 McLaren

1985 McLaren

1986 Williams

1987 Williams

1988 McLaren

1989 McLaren

1990 McLaren

1991 McLaren

1992 Williams

1993 Williams

1994 Williams

1995 Benetton

1996 Williams

1997 Williams

1998 McLaren

1999 Ferrari

 

The more things change the more they stay the same

Edited by 7MGTEsup, 26 June 2023 - 15:25.