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[ARTGP]

and here we go!   De Vries out, Ricciardo in. Allegedly after the summer break. 

 

RBR Daily on Twitter: " | Daniel Ricciardo is set to replace Nyck de Vries after the summer break, as per F1-Insider sources The rest of the season would be about comparing Tsunoda and Ricciardo. [https://t.co/vdHgoXKyDp] https://t.co/T8jBhQoLtc" / Twitter

 

It's a shame the AT is probably the worst car on the grid. 

Edited by ARTGP, 10 July 2023 - 19:02.

[GentlemanDriver091]

Nyck de Vries will be replaced by Daniel Ricciardo from the Hungarian GP onwards, according to the Dutch media.

[WouterF1]

Nyck de Vries will be replaced by Daniel Ricciardo from the Hungarian GP onwards, according to the Dutch media.

https://www.gpblog.c...ate-effect.html

'Nyck de Vries leaving AlphaTauri with immediate effect'

Nyck de Vries would no longer be a Formula 1 driver for AlphaTauri. The Dutchman has lost his seat with the Italian team, writes F1 journalist Allard Kalff, who attends race weekends for ViaPlay.

It had been known for a while that Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko was not satisfied with the performance of the man from Sneek.

https://twitter.com/...740586130464770

"Ricciardo will replace him."

https://twitter.com/...749291555307520

: AlphaTauri and Nyck de Vries split up immediately
In Great Britain he finished for the ninth time in ten races behind teammate Yuki Tsunoda
and seems to have crossed the line.

https://twitter.com/...750042574974976

[SparkPlug86]

Interesting... lets see if DR3 can take on YT22.

[CharlesWinstone]

This could result in the end of Danny's career too if he isn't up to speed right away.

[TomNokoe]

Anyone else think Yuki is vulnerable to the chop now?

[Scotracer]

He's a world champion. It's not like AT were running well. Give him a break.

[Alex79]

too bad. I can understand the lure of a possible RBR seat, but when the car is bad, your driving is iffy and the Williams you could have been driving alongside Albon is scoring points, you know you took a wrong turn

[katmen]

Anyone else think Yuki is vulnerable to the chop now?

i dont think so....

dr3 doing piruets in pirelli test today

dr3 is not good in driving shitboxes see mclaren in the past..

[ForceDown]

I’m not sure how I feel about this. I get it that Nyck undelivered. I also get that the car is useless. What I don’t get is why they rush into this. Not like Yuki didn’t wreck a whole fleet of cars all by himself. I feel it’s harsh and rushed.

[Alfisti]

I’m not sure how I feel about this. I get it that Nyck undelivered. I also get that the car is useless. What I don’t get is why they rush into this. Not like Yuki didn’t wreck a whole fleet of cars all by himself. I feel it’s harsh and rushed.

 

Again, you only do this so fast for one reason. It's not about AT. If Perez keeps ******* the bed and Daniel looks sharp, Marko will move Daniel in. Now, personally, I don't rate Tsunoda but i still think DR is gonna struggle being parachuted in like this so it's all a bit of a waste of time, but, that's why you do it. 

[GentlemanDriver091]

I’m not sure how I feel about this. I get it that Nyck undelivered. I also get that the car is useless. What I don’t get is why they rush into this. Not like Yuki didn’t wreck a whole fleet of cars all by himself. I feel it’s harsh and rushed.

Same here.

Not a fan at all of Nyck, but he deserved a bit more credit, in my opinion. He was a rookie after all and not too far of Tsunoda.

[Ali623]

I’m not sure how I feel about this. I get it that Nyck undelivered. I also get that the car is useless. What I don’t get is why they rush into this. Not like Yuki didn’t wreck a whole fleet of cars all by himself. I feel it’s harsh and rushed.

 

I think it was more the fact that Nyck didn't deliver on what was expected of him. He wasn't brought in like a typical rookie, where you would want to develop him with the view of a potential future RB drive.

 

He was brought in to be a benchmark against Tsunoda and as a more experienced driver that could support the team, or even lead it. I suspect RB/Marko were not convinced enough of Tsunoda being the main AT driver, at least at the time.

[Alfisti]

Not too far? WHAT re you watching?

[ForceDown]

I think it was more the fact that Nyck didn't deliver on what was expected of him. He wasn't brought in like a typical rookie, where you would want to develop him with the view of a potential future RB drive.

He was brought in to be a benchmark against Tsunoda and as a more experienced driver that could support the team, or even lead it. I suspect RB/Marko were not convinced enough of Tsunoda being the main AT driver, at least at the time.

I agree, still feels a bit meh.

Love to see Danny again but not in that brick on wheels.
Here’s hoping that with the extra parts from RBR the car will be any good next year.

[SenorSjon]

He has done nothing to impress, really a bit like Hartley and Vandoorne. Not a fast Q-lap or a fierce fight (without hitting anything). It rather looked clumsy and always not fast enough.

[SparkPlug86]

I mean, Nyck has been out performed by Yuku 9-1... 

[ARTGP]

Anyone else think Yuki is vulnerable to the chop now?

 

Nope. The Honda ties will have him there through '25. Tsunoda's place at AT is greasing the wheels of the RB-Honda divorce settlement package. That's not to say Tsunoda doesn't deserve to be there on his own, but there are bigger forces in play.

Edited by ARTGP, 11 July 2023 - 13:55.

[Laster]

Tsunoda has been pretty comfortably ahead 8-2 in both qualifying and races and one of those races De Vries finished ahead of him was Monaco where Tsunoda had brake issue ruining what otherwise had been a great race.

De Vries hasn’t finished higher than 12th, he hasn’t made Q3. Tsunoda has finished 11th or higher 5 times and both Monaco and Spain he looked set for 9th places before a brake issue and penalty dumped him out the points.

It’s only been in these last two races - Austria where Tsunoda destroyed his own race on the first lap, and Silverstone where De Vries has looked remotely close to him.

I understand the argument for Nyck being given more time, but at 28 and having 11 of years of single seater experience behind him he was never going to be judged like a regular rookie. Truthfully it was always a mistake by Marko to bring him in in the first place.

[Risil]

Looks like an "official rumour" to me

[Spillage]

I feel and for Nyck as he seems like a nice lad but he's shown nothing so farm Riccardo surely has more potential than he does.

[SophieB]

@ChrisMedlandF1

First reported by Dutch media, I'm hearing from multiple sources now that Daniel Ricciardo will replace Nyck de Vries at AlphaTauri with immediate effect #F1

[potmotr]

I feel and for Nyck as he seems like a nice lad but he's shown nothing so farm Riccardo surely has more potential than he does.

 

Yeah he seems like a nice guy and he's been incredibly unlucky to finally make F1 at a time when AT has the worst car on the grid.

 

Ricciardo isn't the answer, the should bring in someone young and fast, like Liam Lawson.

[jjcale]

Well, at least we get to see if YT has made any progress .... DR should still be a good benchmark.

 

Is this good or bad for SP though ... will he relax a bit more now?

[Risil]

Autosport agree that De Vries is gone immediately but suggest that a final decision on his replacement hasn't been taken. Franz Tost appears to be ruling out Ayumu Iwasa and Isack Hadjar but Liam Lawson might still be a possibility.

 

https://www.autospor...-2023/10494730/

[SophieB]

@ChrisMedlandF1

First reported by Dutch media, I'm hearing from multiple sources now that Daniel Ricciardo will replace Nyck de Vries at AlphaTauri with immediate effect #F1

@ChrisMedlandF1

Expecting this to be official in the next hour #F1

[JL14]

Autosport agree that De Vries is gone immediately but that a final decision on his replacement hasn't been taken

 

https://www.autospor...-2023/10494730/

 

Would be a bit weird to announce the dropping 10 days before the GP and not have the replacement lined-up (internally at least).

Would be fun if Liam prefers to finish/win Super Formula instead of stepping in the worst car mid-season, and Ricciardo not keen on stepping in that car mid-season either, leaving them with retracting the dropping in a few days 

[Clrnc]

It's a smart move. Give Ric a chance to perform and if need be, can replace Checo next year or the year after. Iwasa must be the next in line though, would be fun to see 2 japanese drivers in a single team

[JvsKVB77]

Autosport agree that De Vries is gone immediately but suggest that a final decision on his replacement hasn't been taken. Franz Tost appears to be ruling out Ayumu Iwasa and Isack Hadjar but Liam Lawson might still be a possibility.

 

https://www.autospor...-2023/10494730/

Iwasa not have enough SL points for now. Hadjar has SLP, but  need 300 km  test at old car before he can enter f1

[Gareth]

Autosport agree that De Vries is gone immediately but suggest that a final decision on his replacement hasn't been taken. Franz Tost appears to be ruling out Ayumu Iwasa and Isack Hadjar but Liam Lawson might still be a possibility.

https://www.autospor...-2023/10494730/

If it’s Ricciardo, that says to me ‘ultimately we’re trialing a potential Perez replacement’.

If it’s a youngster, it’s about AT.

Quite the pickle RB have gotten themselves into over their 3 non-Max seats really. Especially so given the number of youngsters they back and cash they put in to that.

[potmotr]

Ricciardo is yesterday's man, and AT is allegedly the junior team for Red Bull.

 

Is Ricciardo in the slowest car of 2023 going to be any more convincing than the abysmal Ricciardo of 2022?

 

Put a promising junior like Lawson in there.

[Nathan]

I think the junior moniker was dropped a couple years ago.

 

Risky if it doesn't come with the seat for '24, but I'm sure it will.  Having Danny for a rebranding is no bad idea.

Edited by Nathan, 11 July 2023 - 14:18.

[JL14]

Sounds like Ricciardo is impressing a lot on his test today!

 

If he impresses in Hungary, expect them to switch Ricciardo and Perez after the summer break 

Edited by JL14, 11 July 2023 - 14:21.

[potmotr]

Why do Red Bull even have a junior programme, if they're not willing to promote their young drivers?

 

Helmut Marko should be put out to pasture. 

[onewingedangel]

Wonder if Riccardo still gets to keep the whole payoff from McLaren in the event of getting a race seat.

It may be wishful thinking, but perhaps McLaren and Red Bull could come to an agreement where Rob Marshall can start earlier.

[Boing 2]

Bit of a coincidence that immediately after Ricciardo's first real world run in a Red Bull they drop Devries, looks like it'll be Dan's seat for the season.

[midgrid]

Wonder if Riccardo still gets to keep the whole payoff from McLaren in the event of getting a race seat.

It may be wishful thinking, but perhaps McLaren and Red Bull could come to an agreement where Rob Marshall can start earlier.

 

It would be funny if we get another "what is a race seat?" legal debate after De Vries's own court case earlier this year...

[Gareth]

Why do Red Bull even have a junior programme, if they're not willing to promote their young drivers?

Helmut Marko should be put out to pasture.

They are willing, if they’re ready.

I also think they’re more willing to take an early punt on the ‘if they’re ready’ part than most teams - and adopt very much a ‘sink or swim’ approach. They’re looking for the next special one IMO, so don’t seek to build careers that could be ‘ok in F1’, rather find out quick if you’re going to be special and, if not, not be afraid to say goodbye (there’s more of you coming …).

I think the combo of Perez’s slump, a few flame outs in F2 (Vips, Hauger etc), and a few not working out for them in F1, has been bad for them. Also Gasly understandably having no interest in moving up a team, not being forever in the junior team (because they chewed him up and spat him out once already in the top team).

I think the way they manage it means they brought some amazing talent through (including the best new driver in the last 15 years). I think it also means that when they go through periods of feast, they don’t know how to manage it (eg they had Max, Ricciardo, Sainz, Gasly on the books at one stage, and ended up running back Kvyat in their lead team!) because they so focus on one driver (the top team stops being attractive to drivers who have proven themselves to other teams). It also means that if they have a couple of bits of misfortune, in what is ultimately something of a lottery when it comes to IDing young talent, they can find themselves in a sudden barren patch.

Still if I’d run a program that had brought Vettel and Max through I’d consider it a rip roaring success. Your aim is to occasionally hit the jackpot here, not to keep posting decent results.

[Alfisti]

Why do Red Bull even have a junior programme, if they're not willing to promote their young drivers?

 

Helmut Marko should be put out to pasture. 

 

They have a programme to find Vettel's and Verstappens. This is not about AT or junior srivers, it is very, very clearly about having doubts about both Checo and Tsunoda and to see if Danny can slide into the main team's second seat. 

 

It really is that simple and makes perfect sense. As of next year, Lawson gets the AT drive to see how he goes.  

[JvsKVB77]

Why do Red Bull even have a junior programme, if they're not willing to promote their young drivers?

 

Helmut Marko should be put out to pasture. 

New Red Bull board does not happy with AT results. So for now it is not time for juniors, i think. 

[JBJ]

Why do Red Bull even have a junior programme, if they're not willing to promote their young drivers?

 

Helmut Marko should be put out to pasture. 

Bit harsh don't you think, please eleborate me. I seem to have missed all the junior drivers promoted from Mercedes/Ferrari/Renault
Must be a lot more than the RB ones if I read all the moaning about the RB programm 

[SophieB]

@ChrisMedlandF1

OFFICIAL: Daniel Ricciardo replaces Nyck de Vries at AlphaTauri with immediate effect. Officially "on loan" from Red Bull #F1

[gowebber]

i dont think so....
dr3 doing piruets in pirelli test today
dr3 is not good in driving shitboxes see mclaren in the past..

They are testing without tyre blankets. Not like drivers never spin. Mountain out of a molehill.

It's not like he hasn't driven alot of different cars and done well either.

[Tiakumosan]

Guess it's a done deal.

 

https://www.autospor...ffect/10494752/

[SophieB]

 

“I’m very pleased to welcome Daniel back into the team,” commented Franz Tost, Scuderia AlphaTauri Team Principal. “There’s no doubt about his driving skills, and he already knows many of us, so his integration will be easy and straight forward. The team will also profit a lot from his experience, as he is an eight-time Formula 1 Grand Prix winner. I would like to thank Nyck for his valuable contribution during his time with Scuderia AlphaTauri and I wish him all the best for the future.”

 

Daniel Ricciardo said: “I’m stoked to be back on track with the Red Bull family!”

 

 

https://scuderia.alp...niel-ricciardo/

[P123]

Not sure it will be any sort of magic bullet for AT, whoever they stick in the car.

[kumo7]

Is it a fixed arrangement now? How tough to drive for AT! Marco in a hurry because the team will be renamed into some other identity, meaning going out of his control? Nevertheless, it us s risky move from RIC. He seems nog so dandy with a car that is tricky to drive. As of Tsunoda, I think he will be fine to say the least.

Edited by kumo7, 11 July 2023 - 14:44.

[DaddyCool]

I don't really feel for mediocre drivers who stay too long in F1, but surely Nyck deserved to at least finish the season? I mean at least give a guy the chance...

[YamahaV10]

This could result in the end of Danny's career too if he isn't up to speed right away.

 

And its the worst car on the grid. So it wont be easy

[Jbleroi]

it makes sense 

a bit of a perfect storm with Perez and de Vries both not performing and there is nobody that can replace Perez right now    

For next year when the pack will probably be much closer to each other, so they need a driver that can be close to Max  or at least start close to him and at the moment Perez is not showing any of that so they want to put some pressure on him and see if they can mold Dani back into shape by giving him the miles..  

 

I feel a bit sorry for Nyck but understand Redbull as well  

Edited by Jbleroi, 11 July 2023 - 14:50.