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[SophieB]

Viewers of F2 will already have noticed that the TV people have been trialling an onscreen graphic showing a driver's heart beat. Now they're looking to bring it to F1, What do you think? Is this something you'd find interesting or useful? Is it too intrusive?

 

I confess I haven't personally regarded it as that useful seeing it in F2. About as interesting personally as the former glow-y tyres graphic in that it was generally showing you about what you'd expect anyway. On the other hand, I do enjoy gimmicks. Anyway, this seems to be coming at you soon, so what do you think?

 

 

 

As well as it being a personal matter, drivers could even feel that rivals may get an advantage if broadcasts show that their heart rate is at an elevated level.

Justin Laurie, technical producer at F1, told Autosport/Motorsport.com that there were some specific sensitivities that would need to be ironed out before it could be used.

“Obviously there’s an element where you have to be editorially careful with how you present that data,” he said. “It has to be presented in the right way and tell the story.

“Every driver is different, and everybody is physically different, so we have to take all of that into account when we’re making these decisions about how we are going to use this data going forward. But fundamentally it’s a new area for us and it’s an exciting area. That’s the main thing.”

 

 

F1 admits need to be ‘careful’ over heart rate TV graphics plan (autosport.com)

[Viryfan]

well TV Globo used to do this with Ayrton Senna back in the day, nothing new but i guess they need to formalize the thing.

[SophieB]

well TV Globo used to do this with Ayrton Senna back in the day, nothing new but i guess they need to formalize the thing.

 

I don't remember seeing that. I wonder if it was real data or did someone in the studio just guess, do you know?

[chdphd]

[jjcale]

They should be more interested in viewer heart rates .... 

Edited by jjcale, 17 July 2023 - 09:25.

[Clatter]

I thought we have already had this at some time in the past. Can't say I'm particular interested in it, it adds nothing to the actual event to me. Maybe they will start awarding points for the highest readings.

[P123]

I don't think it's essential info.  More of an 'ok, interesting' that a drivers heart rate may go up at the start of a race or when fighting closely with other cars.

[Peat]

Excellent. Another metric to be argued over on the internet. 

"My guy is better than your guy, look at the avg HR for that race, he wasn't even trying!"

[Viryfan]

I don't remember seeing that. I wonder if it was real data or did someone in the studio just guess, do you know?

 

i don't know 

https://www.reddit.c...aphic_from_the/

Edited by Viryfan, 17 July 2023 - 09:38.

[GrumpyYoungMan]

It is none of our (my) business - we (as in the viewing public) don't need to know.

Edited by GrumpyYoungMan, 17 July 2023 - 09:46.

[azza200]

Saw this the other day but its a camera angle they used back in the early 90's 

 

[Outsider]

i wonder how it will be welcomed, if let's say a crazy accident happens and there will be no driver's heartbeat

[Viryfan]

i wonder how it will be welcomed, if let's say a crazy accident happens and there will be no driver's heartbeat

I think they will be savy enough to not broadcast it or make it widely available on a continuous basis.

[JHSingo]

It's more meaningless information to clutter up the screen really, isn't it?

 

Whenever it has featured in other types of racing, my reaction can be summarized as "okay...and we need to know this why?" It really has very little relevance to what's actually going on in the race. Does knowing that a certain driver's BPM is a particular number at any given moment really provide us with any useful or meaningful information?

 

I think most of us already know that motor racing is a strenuous activity, and that F1 drivers are supremely fit individuals. 

[Stephane]

It will probably end up like the thermal cams.

[krapmeister]

I don't really see what the point of it is?

[Rediscoveryx]

I don't really see what the point of it is?

It’s to be able to see the driver’s heartbeat during the race.

[jee]

Didn't a series used to have "physical stress level" displayed on screen? I believe it also included heart rate.

[Muppetmad]

In the first place, it doesn't tell us anything useful: heart rates are lower under the safety car, and higher when racing wheel-to-wheel for the win; this much is obvious without being told this. I also think it's fundamentally intrusive: medical information like this shouldn't be broadcast a) without the voluntary informed consent of the drivers, and b) without a sufficient benefit to the viewer in doing so. There really is no benefit here, so it's a "no thanks" from me.

[Risil]

I find it a bit icky. But then again I'm a purist in that sense and don't really like hearing the driver radio either.

[Sterzo]

And next... how sweaty is George Russell's face?

 

I like motor racing. I like watching motor racing. It's unfortunate that much of the time I can only do this remotely, via a screen and TV cameras. (Though fortunate I can do that rather than see nothing). I need a commentary, but nothing else that imposes itself between me and the racing. If we must discuss TV coverage, how about improving the choice of camera angles to show more distant shots, rather than close-ups which hide where the car is going and has come from.

[krapmeister]

It’s to be able to see the driver’s heartbeat during the race.

Well der... but what is that going to add to the coverage? I mean apart from perhaps giving the commentators something else to talk about when Max wins yet another race...

[Sash1]

Can we have bloodpressure as well? I want to see how drivers feel when another one annoys or crashes in to them.

NOT.

[Rediscoveryx]

Can we have bloodpressure as well? I want to see how drivers feel when another one annoys or crashes in to them.
NOT.

Or one of those fully scientific ”calories burned” metrics.

[TomNokoe]

The worst part is in F2 it's called "Biometric Intensity Level" instead of just "Heart rate"

[cbo]

Next will be anal probes to measure the drivers core temperature.

Just like you can kill the commentary on F1TV, we will now need an option to kill irrellevant graphics on the screen....

[azza200]

next graphic update will be how much percentage of grass has been cut at turn 5 and high risk percentage of marbles on the main racing line. 

[Ruusperi]

As interesting as knowing how full their bladder is.

[Gareth]

I found it mildly interesting to see how high Vesti's heart rate went, and therefore how physical driving the cars is. Having noted that fact, it then became entirely boring and a waste of screen space and commentator focus.

 

I suspect that my main thought when it comes on the screen will be "they know this year's product is a bit boring and are having to come up with crap like this to try and help".

[BelievableNonsense]

I enjoy seeing heart rate data in something like cycling (cause those guys are freaks of nature) but I'm not sure how much I'd care about it in motorsport. 

[Taxi]

I think it was also  a debate a few years back . It's discussed  in the Kimi Raikkonen bio. I'm against it for principle. Personal biomedic data should be personal.  Heart rate, blood pressure,  glucose in blood...

 

How long before people start discussions over who's the most nervous, who potentialy as a heart disease or who is cool? 

[IrvTheSwerve]

I remember a feature with Gianmaria Bruni wearing one in a Minardi in 2004.

 

[IrvTheSwerve]

In terms of having it on the coverage, meh. It doesn't really add much for me...we know their heart rate goes up when the pressure increases and vice-versa. I voted 'I don't care either way'.

[Clatter]

I think they will be savy enough to not broadcast it or make it widely available on a continuous basis.

I think your giving them too much credit.

[eibyyz]

Is there an EU equivalent to HIPAA? 

[AncientLurker]

Cue the armchair doctors massive thread about driver X not being fit enough for F1 because they have an irregular heartbeat due to a TV graphics glitch and how they are going to die driving the car. Or the threads on who is the most 'in control' driver because their heart rate is the lowest.

 

I seem to remember this being done years ago, maybe for the Indy 500? It seemed gimmicky at the time, seems gimmicky now. There is already way too much clutter on the screen with cockpit overlays and video game pursuit graphics.

 

If F1 REALLY wants to improve the viewer experience, here are my suggestions:

- Give me good camera angles of the racing action

- keep the timing tower and track map (this is the best graphic and least used) graphics up full time and nothing else

- less useless banter from the commentary team

[IrvTheSwerve]

I think they will be savy enough to not broadcast it or make it widely available on a continuous basis.

 

As the cars line up on the grid for the first race of 2024...

 

"And now let's see who has the Aramco Lowest Heart Rate, brought to you by BUPA private healthcare..."

[Grippy]

Is there an EU equivalent to HIPAA? 

The General Data Protection Regulations (GDPR) for the EU,

and The Data Protection Act 2018 for the UK based on the GDPR,

 

Both cover more than just health data.

 

Comparison of HIPAA & GDPR; https://www.healthit...ifferences-0001

[Sash1]

Imagine a live crash and you see the heart rate drop to zero just before they can cut it out of the feed.

[Heyli]

Imagine a live crash and you see the heart rate drop to zero just before they can cut it out of the feed.

That's not really a problem. There are quite a few options on preventing that, most probably are already used.

[JL14]

They've already been showing rider's heartrates in MotoGP this (and last?) year.

[7MGTEsup]

well TV Globo used to do this with Ayrton Senna back in the day, nothing new but i guess they need to formalize the thing.

 

I remember that in the 1994 Brazilian grand prix, I also remember Murray Walker saying something to the tune of "If they could rig his heart beat to his engine he could get going again" this was after he had spun and stalled at Juncao.

[Bleu]

Here's video of Brazil 1994 where Senna's heart rate is seen after his retirement due to a spin. (164)

 

[AustinF1]

Cool. I predicted live, on-screen, sports biometric telemetry 30 years ago when I was a rookie in the fire department.

[Anderis]

I don't think it's a big deal but if displayed at right moments, it might give some interesting insight (will it, for example, go up, when the driver is angry?).

[AustinF1]

I don't think it's a big deal but if displayed at right moments, it might give some interesting insight (will it, for example, go up, when the driver is angry?).

I think most or all of them are going to present physiological signs similar to anger throughout a race. Not sure if we'd even be able to tell a difference once they actually became angry, but yeah, it would be interesting. What would be most interesting to me would be to see who displays the lowest heart rates while racing or in intense situations.

Edited by AustinF1, 17 July 2023 - 16:22.

[CoolBreeze]

complete waste of time.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Can't say it interests me, won't really add much to the broadcast, just seems like a gimmick for the sake of being able to say "hey, look at us, we came up with an idea"

[YamahaV10]

I'll admit that it would be kind of interesting. But its creepy in a way. A drivers heart beat is personal imo. Maybe if the drivers consent to it.

 

Max's heart beat probably goes down as the situation intensifies. 

Edited by YamahaV10, 17 July 2023 - 17:39.

[YamahaV10]

Here's video of Brazil 1994 where Senna's heart rate is seen after his retirement due to a spin. (164)

 

 

 

Haha. There is truly nothing new under the sun.