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[SenorSjon]

Well, after the early season hopes of the Mexican with only 6 points behind Verstappen after 4 races, things went rather downhill from there on. Verstappen schooling him in Miami really put something in his mind and he said this weekend (Hungary) he lost a bit of faith in the car with his Q1 crash in Monaco.
Spiritual followup to this thread: https://forums.autos...mpionship-poll/

Some stats

• The last 6 races, he lost 96 points towards Verstappen.
• Still 2nd in the championship due to the 2nd best team changing colors every other race
• Didn't make Q3 in:
  • Australia - spin
  • Monaco - crash, exposing the floor to the world
  • Spain - too slow
  • Canada - too slow
  • Austria - too many track limits (sprint Q went alright though)
  • Britain - too slow
• Verstappen had pole in every instance. The last 4 had changeable conditions and track limits.
• Hulkenberg is leading Perez 6-4.
• Red Bull have fired De Vries for underperforming and has put Ricciardo in the AT. Rumour has it, it is also to pressurize Perez.

And today he had a crash 3 minutes into FP1. Went too wide at corner entry with a full wheel on the grass, spun and crashed the new sidepod into the tire wall. And yet more floor pictures out in the open.

He was rescued from being sidelined from F1 in 2021 by Red Bull. What will happen next?

Edited by SenorSjon, 21 July 2023 - 21:02.

[potmotr]

Current prediction: he'll finish this season then get paid off for 2024, and be replaced by Danny from Marketing.  

Edited by potmotr, 21 July 2023 - 12:11.

[ARTGP]

 

lol

[basimi]

lol

Oh wow. The facial expression says everything

[ARTGP]

Oh wow. The facial expression says everything

 

Haha just to be clear, that's Baku 2018 but I'm sure it's not far off today...

Edited by ARTGP, 21 July 2023 - 12:16.

[krapmeister]

That was from Azerbaijan after VER and RIC had their coming together. Newey had that look on his face like 'I told you so...' haha

Edited by krapmeister, 21 July 2023 - 12:17.

[Lassel]

Of course he *can* keep his seat, just needs to put together a string of podiums which is easily doable.

If they binned him off, as of right now Tsunoda is next man up, but if Ricciardo starts beating him then of course it becomes him next in line.

[TheFish]

Nah, he's shite and he's psychologically broken. Red Bull are ruthless. He doesn't deserve any seat right now, let alone in the best car in F1.

[Disgrace]

It surely depends on Ricciardo. If in the next 12 races, he immediately blows Tsunoda out of the water and delivers amazing 2020 and 2014-vintage performances, then Perez would surely be out.

[Rumblestrip]

It surely depends on Ricciardo. If in the next 12 races, he immediately blows Tsunoda out of the water and delivers amazing 2020 and 2014-vintage performances, then Perez would surely be out.

 

But if Tsunoda blows Ricciardo out of the water does it immediately follow that Perez is still out?

[Disgrace]

But if Tsunoda blows Ricciardo out of the water does it immediately follow that Perez is still out?

 

I'd like to see it...

[Rumblestrip]

I think we'll need to see what Perez is like after the break as it's a great opportunity to step away and clear his head. It's not too late for him to rescue his reputation, but he needs some solid results to get back into the groove.

[DS27]

I heard a good joke earlier as well

[Primo]

I am fairly certain that at 13.33 CET today, Palou got a phone call. 

I feel bad for Perez, but he's done.

[Primo]

But if Tsunoda blows Ricciardo out of the water does it immediately follow that Perez is still out?

Perez is still out and Tsunoda will never be in. There are many other drivers apart from those two to pick from. 

[Burtros]

I don’t think he’s under pressure for his seat in 2023 until the last few races when they may want to evaluate a replacement for 2024.

[JL14]

I am fairly certain that at 13.33 CET today, Palou got a phone call. 

I feel bad for Perez, but he's done.

 

Haha yeah, Marko was seen quite quickly on the phone apparently afte that crash

Edited by JL14, 21 July 2023 - 12:55.

[Nemo1965]

I think that Perez knows he's not THERE at the moment and that he knows he needs to rea-assess his goals... He can't be that stupid. But I am more and more starting to believe that Perez is just not allowed by his surroundings to accept he's not Max his equal.

 

In my mind there is this little scene, in which Perez his sponsors and his marketing-team and his agent (and his dad!) came together at the end of last season and said: 'Right. We can dramatically enhance the revenu 'round Checo. But he has got to get rid of his image of being the servant of Max Verstappen. He must be projected, from now on, as Max his main rival. He IS Max Verstappen's main rival. Repeat after me: Sergio Perez is Max Verstappen's main rival in 2023.'

 

The expectations of the outside world: that is something Perez can handle. But his eyes have that 'deer staring in the headlights'-vibe that makes me think he is caught in a trap of his own network. 

[ARTGP]

How does one explain driving with absolutely zero margin on the 1st hot lap of FP1?  I'm sure Checo is a nice guy, but he's putting in an absolutely sackable effort right now. 

 

Edited by ARTGP, 21 July 2023 - 13:38.

[pRy]

Yeah even someone driving a video game knows that's not a good idea. Perhaps he was distracted.

[taran]

Perez seems to be caught in a Gasly death spiral where every crash reduces his confidence and simultaneously increases his desperation to pull a good result out of the bag.

 

At this point, I think he needs to be Albonised and sent to a lesser team where he can regroup and rebuild himself. It's just becoming painful to watch.

[NikL]

With the way things are going I honestly think there is a very high chance Perez won't even finish the season driving for Red Bull. If Ricciardo gets some decent results he will be in the Red Bull and Perez will be paid to leave. Yes Perez has a contract for 2024 but contracts can be terminated with a payoff look at Ricciardo last year with McLaren.

[Ruusperi]

It's his 13th season as an F1 driver. Most don't have that long a career. So either he finds himself in other team or have to look for GT series. He's still a young man, so who knows. But his Red Bull days are over.

[aportinga]

It surely depends on Ricciardo. If in the next 12 races, he immediately blows Tsunoda out of the water and delivers amazing 2020 and 2014-vintage performances, then Perez would surely be out.

 

I disagree - They'll give Albon another shot. He's got his head on him now and will abide to the #2.

[MinardiSpeed]

Danm, FP1, first lap and crashes newly upgraded RB19.

 

he probably wants to start from P10 and smack max to win the race.

 

but honestly, i'd fire his ass at the break just for revealing the new floor yet again, he shouldn't' be making mistakes on the first lap of fp1.

Edited by MinardiSpeed, 21 July 2023 - 14:17.

[garoidb]

With the way things are going I honestly think there is a very high chance Perez won't even finish the season driving for Red Bull. If Ricciardo gets some decent results he will be in the Red Bull and Perez will be paid to leave. Yes Perez has a contract for 2024 but contracts can be terminated with a payoff look at Ricciardo last year with McLaren.

 

I could see that as a possibility too (even before today). They might want to try to secure 2nd in the WDC, though. I would wonder what Perez's contract says, and whether they could place him at Alpha Tauri (as in, make that the baseline for negotiating the termination of his contract). Would he go to Alpha Tauri? Would there be any other team offering him a drive in F1?

 

When it looked like his career was ending when dropped by Racing Point, I felt that his dropping out of F1 was a bit unfair. Not the most unfair thing I have ever seen, but not quite right. Now, he has had a proper shot for three seasons as well as a 13 year career, as mentioned above.  

[rodlamas]

With the way things are going I honestly think there is a very high chance Perez won't even finish the season driving for Red Bull. If Ricciardo gets some decent results he will be in the Red Bull and Perez will be paid to leave. Yes Perez has a contract for 2024 but contracts can be terminated with a payoff look at Ricciardo last year with McLaren.

2 bad races for Perez this and next week + some luck for DR3 and a few points, Ricciardo is back in a Red Bull after the break.

 

Red Bull can afford it Max will win both championships alone.

[Dalton007]

I disagree - They'll give Albon another shot. He's got his head on him now and will abide to the #2.

 

 

Does Albon want to go back? I'm not so certain. He's happy at Williams being the lead driver.

[taran]

Does Albon want to go back? I'm not so certain. He's happy at Williams being the lead driver.

If he is unwilling to step into a race-winning car, Red Bull were right to sack him in the first place.

[aportinga]

Agreed. 

 

But I think he's ready. He knows the team - they know him. He knows all the circuits and is performing well in a poor car - always out-pacing his mates. I really see no reason to take anyone else. DR is much older and Lawson can be bouonced to a lower team or come in to support RB as a 3rd driver.

[Dalton007]

If he is unwilling to step into a race-winning car, Red Bull were right to sack him in the first place.

 

True.

[Deeq]

If he is unwilling to step into a race-winning car, Red Bull were right to sack him in the first place.

No driver will turn down the RBR steamroler right now...Albom will throw granny under the bus if they raced for that seat.

[Beamer]

Where's the I dont know option?

[Deeq]

If he misses Q3 this weekend*, i fear he maybe out of RBR before SPA!


*) Due to another unforced error... like this practice crash.

[Roadhouse]

Perez needs a hard reset because that was the rookiest of rookie errors.

[Otaku]

In my opinion, Ricciardo won't easily beat Tsunoda, if at all. 

 

[Jones Foyer]

Of course he *can* keep his seat, just needs to put together a string of podiums which is easily doable.

If they binned him off, as of right now Tsunoda is next man up, but if Ricciardo starts beating him then of course it becomes him next in line.

Yeah, the question should be “will he keep his seat.” He certainly can if he gets out of his head and strings together second places consistently. Personally, I don’t think he can.

[SenorSjon]

Where's the I dont know option?

Pointless option, if you don't know, you just don't enter the poll.

[messy]

If Ricciardo does ok at AT I think the die is already cast.

[Beamer]

Pointless option, if you don't know, you just don't enter the poll.

But I wanna! 🙂

Im usually not shy of opinions but this one i just can't make up my mind...

[IrvTheSwerve]

We can probably take it with a pinch of salt but Horner explicitly said a couple of days ago that their line up ‘will be Max and Checo in 2024’.

 

I think Perez will just about keep the seat. If he carries on messing up weekend after weekend once the summer break is over, it may be touch and go.

[Victor]

Oh wow. The facial expression says everything

 

Fake news

[PayasYouRace]

When was the last time a race winner was dropped in season?

[jjcale]

He needs to see a sport psychologist .... his problems are all of his own making .... and all in his head.

[jjcale]

When was the last time a race winner was dropped in season?

 

The Summer break cant some soon enough for him though .... he needs a break. 

 

Its also possible he has a problem away from F1 ... what is his home life like at the moment?

 

When was the last time we saw his wife at the track?

 

 

Not suggesting anything ... just asking questions. 

[garoidb]

When was the last time a race winner was dropped in season?

 

Any more recent than Jarno Trulli?

[Victor]

Jarno Trulli 2004

[realracer200]

Perez will keep his seat mainly because Tsunada and Ricciardo are slower than him.

[Deeq]

Any more recent than Jarno Trulli?

And Trullis sacking wasnt performance - lack off - related.

[Claudius]

Perez will keep his seat mainly because Tsunada and Ricciardo are slower than him.

There might be other drivers out there, it’s not just between Yuki or Daniel.

I think Checo will lose the RB seat but can probably get another one in the grid.

Edited by Claudius, 21 July 2023 - 19:11.