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#1 Michael Ferner

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Posted 25 August 2023 - 09:08

No, it's not a spelling mistake...  :D Those who know me from the four-wheel side of the forum will remember my fascination with The Miller Dynasty, but this is about Jörg Möller, the German 'two-stroke Pope', and in this thread I hope to be able to untangle the 'web' of the (mostly) Italian small capacity bike constructors and makes: Morbidelli, MBA, Benelli, Minarelli, Ringhini, Guazzoni, Garelli, Sanvenero, Ad Maiora, Villa, Morini, UFO, and how they were all connected. Contributions, memories and questions appreciated!

 

Jörg Möller answered a job ad by Dutch Kreidler importer Henk van Veen in the late sixties while still studying engineering in Essen, I believe, and soon made the little 50cc Kreidler a weapon to fear, extracting more than 20 hp from those tiny engines! It's true that the Japanese factories had lost much of their interest in the tiddler category by then, but the Van Veen Kreidler marked the definite end of Japanese supremacy, and more: never again would Japanese bikes score as much as even a single World Championship point after 1970. But Yamaha was still the marque to beat in the 125cc when Giancarlo Morbidelli came knocking in 1974, offering a job for Möller who then moved to Pesaro, where he stayed until his death last year.

 

The first Möller Morbidelli was a rude shock to the system, and Yamaha left in a hurry - Möller was later often quoted as having made "a mistake, the Morbidelli was just too fast - it had five hp more than it needed". In fact, the basic design of the two-stroke twin dominated the category in its various forms until it was banned in 1988! It also reclaimed the small capacity ('ultra-lightweight') class for European manufacturers; Japanese companies no longer competed, didn't even built production racers until the singles made their comeback in preparation for 1988. And Möller's services were a highly sought-after and paid-for commodity in those years! When Morbidelli faltered, he designed the Minarelli in 1978 which dominated until it became the Garelli four years later, and dominated still further. Around this time, Möller even attracted overtures from the Ferrari Formula One team, but rejected. Yet his glory days were soon over - by the end of 1983, he had signed two contracts for a 250cc design, with Swiss Michel Métraux and German Mike Krauser, respectively! Métraux (with Elf and Parisienne money) won over, but the resultant bike was not the success hoped for, and soon abandoned. Maybe Krauser would've been the better option, for he had Toni Mang under contract, one of many riders to have scored his first GP win on a Möller-designed bike, the Morbidelli way back in 1976...?


Edited by Michael Ferner, 25 August 2023 - 09:48.


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#2 tonyed

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Posted 26 August 2023 - 06:58

It's was amazing what these smaller factories, not all dedicated motorcycle producers manufactures with success during the 70s and 80s. Put into perspective the almost totally useless efforts of the British motorcycle industry.

The one notable exceptions being the Exactweld 250 V twin which was shot in the foot by the ACU not even accepting an entry for the British GP with Garry Noel, when they were happy to accept foreign journeymen racers on Yamaha TZs etc.  

The other successful 'British' entries usually used proprietary engines such as Yamaha or Rotax, the British input usually down to just the frame and other sundry running gear.  



#3 Michael Ferner

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Posted 26 August 2023 - 21:37

Yeah, but British builders were quite successful with a lot of their stuff, and often supplied sought after equipment: Spondon, Armstrong, Harris etc., and earlier Seeley, Maxton, and the Rickmans!

 

Refresh my memory of the Exactweld, wasn't that another Rotax special?  :confused:



#4 tonyed

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Posted 27 August 2023 - 03:44

The first Exactweld was a stainless steel hexagonal spine frame with a TZ H 250 engine.

The bike I am referring to had their own tandem twin engine which acted as the frame with the steering head bolting to the top of the engine and the rear end to the back. 

https://duckduckgo.c...07d9ecabe1d.jpg



#5 Robin127

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Posted 28 August 2023 - 00:37

Didn't Gary Noel win the European 250cc Championship on an Exactweld in the early '80's?  I have a pictures some where that I took of him around that time going into Druids at Brands, I think it was the spine framed bike with the Yamaha engine.  I had no idea that they'd built their own engine later and the photos I've now seen of that bike make it look like a really useful piece of kit.  I remember the last couple of years I competed in the Belgian Classic meeting at Jehonville there was a bloke riding the spine framed one who cleaned up in the races he was in.



#6 Michael Ferner

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Posted 28 August 2023 - 08:51

The first Exactweld was a stainless steel hexagonal spine frame with a TZ H 250 engine.

The bike I am referring to had their own tandem twin engine which acted as the frame with the steering head bolting to the top of the engine and the rear end to the back. 

https://duckduckgo.c...07d9ecabe1d.jpg

 

Looks great! Which year was that?



#7 tonyed

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Posted 28 August 2023 - 13:01



#8 brands77

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Posted 13 September 2023 - 19:01

Was there any relationship between Moller and Jan Witteveen? They always struck me as being similar in being the amongst the best two stroke engineers.



#9 Michael Ferner

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Posted 30 October 2023 - 09:20

Something I read recently, and wasn't really aware of at the time because I wasn't following any longer with the same attention, is that Möller designed a new engine for Italjet in 2001, I think. I don't think it was a success, but another name to add to the list in the OP.