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#1 SparkPlug86

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:14

With the first race of the "half time" over already, we return to the temple of speed... yes folks! It's a party time at Monza! Many questions remain from the summer break but Red Bull continue their surge towards utter domination... can anyone stop them? Ferrari are on home turf and expected to perform better, Alonso Martin has found some extra speed... can Williams take a shock podium and have McLaren found a cure for their straight line speed? We'll find out soon enough... 

 

Welcome... to Round 14 of the Formula One 2023 World Championship! 

 

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Tyres & Weather

 

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Onto the harder set, C3-C5... not generally a big tyre eater of a circuit, so should be an easy one. But high speeds make for interesting stresses... so lets see! 

 

No rain forecast by F1, but rumour had it as a wet race... maybe the weather gods are having a day off?

 

Fri - 27C, Sunny

Sat - 28C, Sunny

Sun - 29C, Sunny

 

Schedule

 

03SEP

Race

14:00

02SEP

Qualifying

15:00 - 16:00

02SEP

Practice 3

11:30 - 12:30

01SEP

Practice 2

16:00 - 17:00

01SEP

Practice 1

12:30 - 13:30

 

 

Usual supporting acts return in F2/F3 etc etc... so lots of track action!

 

Comment below and be kind... this was my first race build up thread!  :rotfl:

 



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#2 RedRabbit

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:34

Great job for a first effort. Didn't even realise that until the end sentence 😊

#3 Risil

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:37

Another one!! Still, Monza is special.

And thanks SparkPlug.

#4 RedRabbit

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:37

Question: high speed causes different tire stresses, but if the circuit is such low degradation, why couldn't softer compounds be used?

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:39

@meteomotorsport

ITALIAN GRAND PRIX WEATHER FORECAST

 
A settled weekend with mostly clear and sunny skies with a few passing clouds at times. Daily highs of 24–31°C with generally light winds from the east or north. The risk of rain is low (<5%).
 
#F1 #F2 #F3 | #ItalianGP


#6 GlenWatkins

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:47

Props for the OP, SP! I have yet write one myself!

Edited by GlenWatkins, 31 August 2023 - 20:47.


#7 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:55

I was in the middle of my own thread LOL but I only have my self to blame for leaving it so late! No hard feelings :p

 

I will put it in spoiler tags so that it doesn't go completely to waste :stoned:

 

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Anyway - a dry weekend?! Wahoooo, I am so relieved.

 

All eyes on WILLIAMS for me. I think they will be right up there, Force India 2009 style. Also hope Lawson makes the most of his full debut.


Edited by TomNokoe, 31 August 2023 - 20:56.


#8 GlenWatkins

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 20:56

A double OP for Monza then!

#9 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 21:12

Binotto in the paddock… Alpine contract in back pocket?

#10 Organic

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 21:18

Question: high speed causes different tire stresses, but if the circuit is such low degradation, why couldn't softer compounds be used?


The OP of this thread was just incorrect in saying the C3-C5 tyres brought this weekend are the harder set.

C3-C5 are the softest range of compounds available - the same tyres used at Monaco/Singapore etc so it makes sense for them to be used here.

C2-C4 had been used at Monza for the past couple of years and was a 1-stop. Hopefully the change to the softer tyres enables some alternate strategies

#11 jonpollak

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 21:30

Thanks Sparky.
I love this race.
As a matter of fact on my organ donor card it says….
“Scatter my ashes at Monza start finish line”

 

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Jp


Edited by jonpollak, 31 August 2023 - 23:32.


#12 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 21:30

Question: high speed causes different tire stresses, but if the circuit is such low degradation, why couldn't softer compounds be used?

 

This is the first time we've seen the C5, formerly hyper soft, at Monza. Pirelli have said in the past that there is a safety risk to bringing softer compounds not because of degradation, but because the really high top speeds introduce standing waves so require more robust compounds.

 

For example: Pirelli fears standing wave issues on Baku's straights

 

I also found this quote from an old press release:

 

At speeds in excess of 350kph, a Formula 1 wheel rotates around 2800 times per minute, or nearly 50 times per second. This generates extreme demands that have a profound impact on tyres: each of which has to deal with forces that are the equivalent of around 1000 kilograms. As the tyres are squashed onto the track surface due to downforce, the footprint increases and the part of the tyre that is in contact with the ground becomes notably deformed. The tyre structure therefore has to be exceptionally strong, yet flexible at the same time to cope with this constant bending. Simultaneously, the top part of the tyre that isn't in contact with the ground is subject to massive centrifugal force.

 

What is curious is that front pressures are reduced by 1.0psi versus 2022, so Pirelli must be very confident.


Edited by TomNokoe, 31 August 2023 - 21:49.


#13 Beri

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 21:32

Ahhh.. Monza!

It's THAT time of the year again

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 21:40

Ahhh.. Monza!

It's THAT time of the year again

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It was borderline insane to rename the second most famous corner in the world!



#15 Beri

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 22:00

Credits where credits are due; great OP SparkPlug and great second placing for you too Tom
Great stuff reading both!

#16 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 22:18

This is the first time we've seen the C5, formerly hyper soft, at Monza. Pirelli have said in the past that there is a safety risk to bringing softer compounds not because of degradation, but because the really high top speeds introduce standing waves so require more robust compounds.

 

For example: Pirelli fears standing wave issues on Baku's straights

 

I also found this quote from an old press release:

 

 

What is curious is that front pressures are reduced by 1.0psi versus 2022, so Pirelli must be very confident.

Or been told we need a different winner.....  ;)



#17 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 22:27

No rain???? Harumpphhmmmm..

 

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#18 muelte

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 23:10

This is the first time we've seen the C5, formerly hyper soft, at Monza. Pirelli have said in the past that there is a safety risk to bringing softer compounds not because of degradation, but because the really high top speeds introduce standing waves so require more robust compounds.

For example: Pirelli fears standing wave issues on Baku's straights

I also found this quote from an old press release:


What is curious is that front pressures are reduced by 1.0psi versus 2022, so Pirelli must be very confident.


Aren't this year's compounds 1 step harder than last's? If so, it's more or less same as last year

#19 TomNokoe

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 23:16

Aren't this year's compounds 1 step harder than last's? If so, it's more or less same as last year


No, softer.

It shouldn't make a difference, however, because last year seven drivers ran either C4-C3 or C3-C4, which will be M-H / H-M this weekend, so still a one stop.

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 23:20

Aren't this year's compounds 1 step harder than last's? If so, it's more or less same as last year

No they aren't. The only change between last year's compounds and this year was a new compound being introduced that would slot between last year's C1 and C2.

For 2023, they renamed 2022's hardest compound, C1, to C0. And introduced the entirely new compound as the C1.

So we have C0-C5 where C0 is the hardest and C5 is the softest. Last year at Monza they used C2-C4 and this year they're using a step softer C3-C5. It is 100% a softer selection

We won't even see the C0 tyre get used this year however. Doesn't seem to be necessary anywhere

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#21 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 31 August 2023 - 23:39

No rain???? Harumpphhmmmm..

 

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Since Miami we've had at least one session with rain throughout the weekend. I'd rather see a dry race



#22 solochamp07

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 03:14

Thanks to both OPs for your excellent posts. So who’s going to be quick here? Max, duh; then who? My spidey sense says macca, Williams, maybe alpine? Has AM sorted their dragginess, could they surprise? Lewis is always excellent here but how good is the merc in low drag? Where’s the smart money betting this round? Lots of unknowns (from my distant perspective) make this pretty exciting, looking forward to fp1.

Edit; typo

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#23 RainyAfterlifeDaylight

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 03:42

Fact: In 1988, McLaren won all the events except Monza.

Prediction: Fernando Alonso is going to stop RedBull from wining in Monza. (Obviously Ferrari have no capable drivers or car to do it).

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#24 an1res

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 05:52

This is the first time we've seen the C5, formerly hyper soft, at Monza. Pirelli have said in the past that there is a safety risk to bringing softer compounds not because of degradation, but because the really high top speeds introduce standing waves so require more robust compounds.

 

For example: Pirelli fears standing wave issues on Baku's straights

 

I also found this quote from an old press release:

 

 

What is curious is that front pressures are reduced by 1.0psi versus 2022, so Pirelli must be very confident.

Maybe the new tyre construction introduced in Silverstone allows a softer set and lower pressures?



#25 sportyskells

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 05:53

I wonder if the curse of the last year's winner will continue? We do know a certain someone that had no dnf yet this year

#26 Ali623

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 06:38

Max DNF, breaking the streak. Albon wins.

#27 ConsiderAndGo

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 06:38

I wonder if the curse of the last year's winner will continue? We do know a certain someone that had no dnf yet this year


Hope not as I put a tenner on him winning every remaining race from Austria at 45/1.

#28 jcbc3

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 07:02

Max DNF, breaking the streak. Albon wins.

 

I'm good with that.



#29 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 07:22

Max DNF, breaking the streak. Albon wins.

 

Where can I sign up?



#30 southernstars

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 07:24

Look, all I'm saying is, the last time Oscar raced at Monza both he and Daniel won on Sunday.

 

Daniel's not racing this weekend, but Jack is...and he's in fine form.

 

Yes? Yes.



#31 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 07:26

 

 

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By the way.. Those planes werent social distancing!

 

Crazy to look back on sporting events that happened during the pandemic. It just seems so wrong to have the grandstands empty. Especially at Monza where the Tifosi have always made the event worth while.


Edited by Beri, 01 September 2023 - 07:28.


#32 Ruusperi

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:08

They have butchered the forest :(

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:22

I'll have a dozen of your finest Sparky, based upon the quality of your first OP, you'd better come along and fit them whilst you're at it . One minor error though, so I'll be watching you closely.  ;)

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#34 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:25

They have butchered the forest :(

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I believe it is because there will be new grandstands there.



#35 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:32

I thought it was a protected park, guess I was wrong.



#36 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:38

It is the run to Lesmo 1. That part has been part of discussions to redevelopment already since a long time. What the idea was; to have the Della Roggia grandstand running towards Lesmo 1. I can imagine this being done now, as the ACI wants to have the contract extension and has announced that there will be modernization works done within the upcoming year.

A longer term plan is to even evaluate and perhaps replace the grandstands on the main straight, to be able to house more people, and modernizing the pit complex. But those plans have been shelved if I am not mistaken.



#37 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:40

It was borderline insane to rename the second most famous corner in the world!


It was just a temporary naming for one season.

#38 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:43

Max DNF, breaking the streak. Albon wins.


That would be a nice redemption after Williams’ role in the 1988 result.

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:45

It is the run to Lesmo 1. That part has been part of discussions to redevelopment already since a long time. What the idea was; to have the Della Roggia grandstand running towards Lesmo 1. I can imagine this being done now, as the ACI wants to have the contract extension and has announced that there will be modernization works done within the upcoming year.

A longer term plan is to even evaluate and perhaps replace the grandstands on the main straight, to be able to house more people, and modernizing the pit complex. But those plans have been shelved if I am not mistaken.

 

I'm guessing those main grandstands might well have the Italian equivalent of UK 'Listed' status for buildings and structures of historical, cultural or architectural interest?

 

Regards Mike 



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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:45

It was borderline insane to rename the second most famous corner in the world!

 

I'm waiting for Eau Rouge/Radillon to be renamed 'Heineken S'



#41 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:46

It was just a temporary naming for one season.

 

Various media outlets have stated this. But many also stated otherwise. As far as I know, it is now the official name of the corner; Curva Alboreto.



#42 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:48

Hey, remember the plan to redesign the first chicane and Curva Grande a few years ago? We could probably have a whole thread on unrealised circuit modifications.

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:50

Is anybody from the forum at Monza? I'd love to hear if the organisational s**tshow of last year has been improved upon.

#44 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:52

Is anybody from the forum at Monza? I'd love to hear if the organisational s**tshow of last year has been improved upon.

 

I believe it was Viryfan who pointed out that at least the idiotic token system has been replaced by contactless payment. Which would solve half of the issue that people had to move around everywhere to get coins.



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Posted 01 September 2023 - 08:56

I believe it was Viryfan who pointed out that at least the idiotic token system has been replaced by contactless payment. Which would solve half of the issue that people had to move around everywhere to get coins.


Oh thank heavens. I'm still getting nightmares about how it took over two hours to buy a beer on the Friday morning last year.

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 09:01

Various media outlets have stated this. But many also stated otherwise. As far as I know, it is now the official name of the corner; Curva Alboreto.

On the official circuit website it’s called Curva Alboreto (Parabolica). Official name seems to be Curva Alboreto



#47 Beri

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 09:02

On the official circuit website it’s called Curva Alboreto (Parabolica). Official name seems to be Curva Alboreto

 

This was my recollection as well.



#48 PayasYouRace

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 09:02

Stop trying to make “fetch (Curva Alboreto)” happen.

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Posted 01 September 2023 - 09:03


Stop trying to make “fetch (Curva Alboreto)” happen.
 
It is the official name. So it isnt a matter of trying to make something happen. It is stating facts  :p


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Posted 01 September 2023 - 09:06

Hey, remember the plan to redesign the first chicane and Curva Grande a few years ago? We could probably have a whole thread on unrealised circuit modifications.

 

Wasnt there something like this? A thread for this? I believe I saw detailed CAD drawings up on this Forum for a circuit modification. Not only for the Curva Grande that would become corner 1 for motorbikes, but more corners and alterations of the circuit. I could be mistaken..