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[TheFish]

Every driver is in a category in my head. Occasionally we get a driver like Hamilton, Vettel or Verstappen where we saw elite talent pretty much instantly and it's clear that they will be a World Champion, and likely win multiple. They are so good that they'll be in the right car at the right time. Other times you get drivers like Button, Rosberg and Ricciardo where I feel like they can win a title if circumstances allow. Then there are drivers like Magnussen, Ocon and Albon where I think, no question, they're decent, but there's never going to be a situation where they win the title. Then we have a separate list of guys lucky to be in the sport.

 

We have 3 WDCs on the grid of course, Lewis, Max and Fernando, so they're not included on my list.

 

I move drivers around categories occasionally, such as Ricciardo down from a possible WDC to not going to win one. I also had Montoya and Hulkenberg as guys who had the potential who didn't make it. I've always had Sainz in my list of 'good, but not a chance of a WDC' and I'm wondering if I've been overly harsh on him. I've always had Leclerc in my 'of course he's going to win a title, probably at least 3' ever since watching him dominate F2. Sainz beat him last year and is 19 points clear of him this year after being the man to end the Red Bull win streak. He also beat Norris twice, who is firmly on my list of 'if circumstances allow, he can win a title'.

 

My current list has only Leclerc in the 'of course he'll win at least one' category and only Russell and Norris in the next category, with Piastri as a question mark as he's been very impressive for his debut year. I don't think anyone else on the grid will win one. Of course though, I'm now doubting both my assessment of Sainz and Leclerc.

 

So, do you have a list like this and if so, who is in which category?

 

[masa90]

The negative part of me says the better driver of the next dominant team. Because that is the way it has seemed to go for last 10 years apart from few "lucky" competitive periods.

[RacingFan10]

In the tier list thread I made a while ago, I placed those three world champions in the top tier, then in the second tier I placed Leclerc, Sainz, Russell and Norris.

 

So I would say those 4 are the most "potential future champions" right now. I think they all could do it If they ever have the fortune to have the best car, or a good enough car for a full season. Norris maybe the least likely if he remains at McLaren.

 

Piastri also I think has big potential to become another candidate.

Edited by RacingFan10, 17 September 2023 - 18:09.

[MJB5990]

Leclerc, Norris, Russell. But they'll need cars better than the rest and a level below teammate to get there.

Piastri maybe, let's see how next year goes.

[F1Frog]

I would have Leclerc, Russell, Norris and maybe Piastri and Sainz in the category of ‘could win in the right circumstances’ and nobody else as potential world champions. There is nobody I think that will be on Verstappen’s level at the moment, or in the top junior series.

[jacdaniel]

I have to be honest when I say that I don't think any of the newer generation are great drivers.

Charles has way too many errors in him and he's not consistent at all. He'd probably win a title in a dominant car but I feel he'd really need a car advantage.

Norris is a nice guy and very fast but I don't think he's aggressive enough to win titles.

George and Sainz are both quite solid but unspectacular and make silly mistakes at times.

I think all 4 could win a title or even titles in a great car. But I don't think they are great like Max, Lewis or Alonso. Piastri might be one to watch but too early to say.

I don't see anyone else on the current grid winning a championship.

[TomNokoe]

Leclerc and Norris, not sure about Russell.

[ForzaGTR]

None of new generation (unless you count Max, which I guess you could due to his age) strike me as special talents, but one of them will win when the circumstances allow it. Red Bull won't be on top forever and Ham will retire in the next few years. My bet is on Russell winning one, because I think Merc are the most likely to build a championship winning car, if Red Bull don't

[potmotr]

Leclerc and Norris, not sure about Russell.

Agreed on this.

[ANF]

I did this a couple of months ago in another thread!
 

Ricciardo and Lawson should be on the list as well, both as Potential world champions.

Actually, maybe we should move Albon to that category too. He's been virtually error-free lately and he's saying all the right things when I hear him on the radio. Who knows what could happen when you give him a championship winning car and a slower teammate.

 

(And maybe Tsunoda should take Albon's position in the "Unlikely world champions" tier.)

Edited by ANF, 19 September 2023 - 21:14.

[ARTGP]

I prefer not to worry about these things because whatever is going to happen, is going to happen, but it's interesting to see other people's perspectives!

[Lennat]

Drivers like Leclerc, Norris, Russel, Sainz, Piastri and Ocon could win many titles in the right car, so the one of them who gets in the best car for 2026 would have a good chance as long as Max isn't his teammate. But, I could also easily see how neither of them gets a title. The Max domination may last for a long time, and there is absolutely no guarantee one of the current drivers will be the one who ends it.

[Spillage]

Despite today's result, Leclerc and Russell are the two that stand out to me. I think there's a lot more to come from both of them.

[Astandahl]

Drivers like Leclerc, Norris, Russel, Sainz, Piastri and Ocon could win many titles in the right car, so the one of them who gets in the best car for 2026 would have a good chance as long as Max isn't his teammate. But, I could also easily see how neither of them gets a title. The Max domination may last for a long time, and there is absolutely no guarantee one of the current drivers will be the one who ends it.

Sainz was nowhere with a title winning car though

[TomNokoe]

Ricciardo and Lawson should be on the list as well, both as Potential world champions.

It's funny you should mention Lawson. I wasn't going to say anything because jumping to conclusions after three races is silly, but the impression he has made in such a short time is INCREDIBLE

For me, his key skill is his adaptability and super-quick learning curve, evidenced mainly through his success in other categories. This is a skill you cannot teach, and really helps him stand out compared to other young drivers.

He seems to have a very smart approach, "an old head on young shoulders" as the saying goes, with a lot of spare capacity outside of simply driving the car. Dare I say, Alonso-esque?!

Edited by TomNokoe, 17 September 2023 - 18:52.

[TheFish]

Sainz was nowhere with a title winning car though

When did Sainz have a title winning car?

[Astandahl]

When did Sainz have a title winning car?

In the first half of the 2022 season. The car had the potential to fight for the win in pretty much every track. He didn't have any pace beside Austria, Canada and maybe Paul Ricard.

Edited by Astandahl, 17 September 2023 - 19:11.

[William Hunt]

Just reaching F1, even if you just drove 1 race in it, already means that you entered a very select club of driver who reached it. It doesn't even matter how you reached it or if you paid for it. You're in that list then.

Doest that mean I rate F1 drivers above drivers who are top dogs in other classes like WEC, WRC, Formula E or IndyCar? No, in particular not since luck or money are factors.

But just reaching F1 still means something, it always had. And drivers often keep on benefiting from it long after their F1 days. Even if you just did 1 season or a handful of races, people will still call you a former F1 driver for the rest of your life. And you're part of the stats, part of history then.

 

As for drivers who can beome F1 world champions: no I certainly don't keep any lists of that. A driver needs to be at the right place at the right time to be in a position to have a shot and often that position that allows a shot at the title is just at one or two teams. So you need to be very lucky already to get in to such a team at the right time.

I don't rate winning a world title in F1 that high to be honest. Not as high as I used to. In the '70s or '80s you had to be at a lot of cars & drivers who could also win races and potentially the title.

From 1988 that started to change. In '88 & '89 you needed to be in one car: the McLaren or you had no chance. A couple of years later it was the Williams. Since those days we didn't have that many years where multiple cars could win you a title.

The Ferrari-Schumaher era was immendsely boring.
We did had two awesome years in 2007-2008 with close title battles but you needed to be either in a McLaren or Ferrar then to win the title althoug BMW Sauer was not far behind.

In paricular post 2000 I don't really rate winning a world title that much anymore. Since domination periods didn't last 2 seasons like at McLaren in '88-'89 and probably still 1990. Williams domination didn't last long either, 1992-1993. 

But post 2000 we saw pecking order remaining the same year in year out and few changes in it even over a decade. A Team could suddenly dominate for a decate. That decreases the importance of winning a world title even more.

C

I frankly don't care if Lewis won a title more or one less or how many Max will win......  I'll never rate them as how high I rate the titles of Fangio, Stewart, Clark, Lauda or even how high I rate a driver winning just one title in the '70s or '80s or yes still the '90s.

When a driver comes to a point when he wins as many as Schumacher or Lewis have. For me it doesn't make any difference if they won more or less titles. By winning that world title once they've also already made their point really, they're already part of that ultra select club of F1 world champions. If they win more they're still part of that same club.
That's why it's such a shame for Felipe Massa that he missed out on being part of that group because of the organizers letting a result stand after cheating.

 

But sure if you press me to name one future F1 world champion I'll give you one: Andrea Kimi Antonelli.

Edited by William Hunt, 17 September 2023 - 19:21.

[flyboym3]

I have to be honest when I say that I don't think any of the newer generation are great drivers.

Charles has way too many errors in him and he's not consistent at all. He'd probably win a title in a dominant car but I feel he'd really need a car advantage.

Norris is a nice guy and very fast but I don't think he's aggressive enough to win titles.

George and Sainz are both quite solid but unspectacular and make silly mistakes at times.

I think all 4 could win a title or even titles in a great car. But I don't think they are great like Max, Lewis or Alonso. Piastri might be one to watch but too early to say.

I don't see anyone else on the current grid winning a championship.

Its probably the first time I've ever agreed with one of your posts.

We've seen enough snippets from all the main protagonists to realise they are not on the tier 1 level.

They can win the title though just like Button and Hill managed with very good performances.

[BobbyRicky]

Leclerc has the raw speed and talent. He'll get one eventually.

Norris is Quick Nick 2.0
Russell has no spatial awareness at all
Sainz is underrated but he aint it

A bit too early to tell with Piastri

Edited by BobbyRicky, 17 September 2023 - 19:29.

[RekF1]

Why is Sainz so despised? I was saying to my wife during the first stint what his game plan was. She chimed in "I don't ****ing care! Pay attention to your family!". Something like that, I wasn't listening.

Anyway, throughout all of those restarts and such an unnerving ending, he was cool AF. I can't imagine LeClerc, or Norris maintaining their discipline under such circumstances.

He might be the best Ferrari driver, and some people don't like that. I'm sure if anyone can learn from their teammate, it's Charles.

Carlos is a cold blooded killer.

[OO7]

Why is Sainz so despised? I was saying to my wife during the first stint what his game plan was. She chimed in "I don't ****ing care! Pay attention to your family!". Something like that, I wasn't listening.

[cjm321190]

Why is Sainz so despised? I was saying to my wife during the first stint what his game plan was. She chimed in "I don't ****ing care! Pay attention to your family!". Something like that, I wasn't listening.

Anyway, throughout all of those restarts and such an unnerving ending, he was cool AF. I can't imagine LeClerc, or Norris maintaining their discipline under such circumstances.

He might be the best Ferrari driver, and some people don't like that. I'm sure if anyone can learn from their teammate, it's Charles.

Carlos is a cold blooded killer.

This is why i rate Sainz over Leclerc. Sainz is a super fast Rosberg type, smart and intelligent. Leclerc is slightly faster but over these long seasons the mistakes creep in. The question is can Leclerc make that steplike early Hamilton fast bit error prone. In to deadly fast and consistent.

[RekF1]

This is why i rate Sainz over Leclerc. Sainz is a super fast Rosberg type, smart and intelligent. Leclerc is slightly faster but over these long seasons the mistakes creep in. The question is can Leclerc make that steplike early Hamilton fast bit error prone. In to deadly fast and consistent.

I'm conflicted with Hamilton. I don't even know if he's peaked yet. He looks young and healthy and hungry. Lewis and his first season is so underestimated in my view. He achieved (for his 2nd victory in the USGP) in his 8th race what Sainz did today, so I don't think it's fair to compare many drivers to Lewis.

I do believe Charles is a great man, and he'll learn to relax one day.

[dia6olo]

Why is Sainz so despised? I was saying to my wife during the first stint what his game plan was. She chimed in "I don't ****ing care! Pay attention to your family!". Something like that, I wasn't listening.

Anyway, throughout all of those restarts and such an unnerving ending, he was cool AF. I can't imagine LeClerc, or Norris maintaining their discipline under such circumstances.

He might be the best Ferrari driver, and some people don't like that. I'm sure if anyone can learn from their teammate, it's Charles.

Carlos is a cold blooded killer.

Sainz is proving to be a lot better this year than what he produced last year but he's no Leclerc.

I appreciate he's having a purple patch but results don't always paint the true picture.

I feel that if both Charlse and Sainz were driving the Red Bulls, in other words a championship capable car, Leclerc would destroy Sainz.

I would say Sainz is probably better at making the most of a bad car, but even then I feel that's not entirely true as I feel Charles has had the short end of the stick with many of Ferrari's decisions this year, and not only this year but last year too.

[Sid04]

Why is Norris so under rated...I know he sometimes looks less aggressive but, his inherent speed seems second to none to me.. Since mclaren upgraded their car he is the highest scorer with even more points than Lewis and he is in my view driving a car which is more up-down compared to Mercedes...

[danmills]

Just reaching F1, even if you just drove 1 race in it, already means that you entered a very select club of driver who reached it. It doesn't even matter how you reached it or if you paid for it. You're in that list then.

Doest that mean I rate F1 drivers above drivers who are top dogs in other classes like WEC, WRC, Formula E or IndyCar? No, in particular not since luck or money are factors.

But just reaching F1 still means something, it always had. And drivers often keep on benefiting from it long after their F1 days. Even if you just did 1 season or a handful of races, people will still call you a former F1 driver for the rest of your life. And you're part of the stats, part of history then.

 

As for drivers who can beome F1 world champions: no I certainly don't keep any lists of that. A driver needs to be at the right place at the right time to be in a position to have a shot and often that position that allows a shot at the title is just at one or two teams. So you need to be very lucky already to get in to such a team at the right time.

I don't rate winning a world title in F1 that high to be honest. Not as high as I used to. In the '70s or '80s you had to be at a lot of cars & drivers who could also win races and potentially the title.

From 1988 that started to change. In '88 & '89 you needed to be in one car: the McLaren or you had no chance. A couple of years later it was the Williams. Since those days we didn't have that many years where multiple cars could win you a title.

The Ferrari-Schumaher era was immendsely boring.
We did had two awesome years in 2007-2008 with close title battles but you needed to be either in a McLaren or Ferrar then to win the title althoug BMW Sauer was not far behind.

In paricular post 2000 I don't really rate winning a world title that much anymore. Since domination periods didn't last 2 seasons like at McLaren in '88-'89 and probably still 1990. Williams domination didn't last long either, 1992-1993. 

But post 2000 we saw pecking order remaining the same year in year out and few changes in it even over a decade. A Team could suddenly dominate for a decate. That decreases the importance of winning a world title even more.

C

I frankly don't care if Lewis won a title more or one less or how many Max will win......  I'll never rate them as how high I rate the titles of Fangio, Stewart, Clark, Lauda or even how high I rate a driver winning just one title in the '70s or '80s or yes still the '90s.

When a driver comes to a point when he wins as many as Schumacher or Lewis have. For me it doesn't make any difference if they won more or less titles. By winning that world title once they've also already made their point really, they're already part of that ultra select club of F1 world champions. If they win more they're still part of that same club.
That's why it's such a shame for Felipe Massa that he missed out on being part of that group because of the organizers letting a result stand after cheating.

 

But sure if you press me to name one future F1 world champion I'll give you one: Andrea Kimi Antonelli.

 

I'm convinced you have shares or receive royalties every time you mention his name. 

[RekF1]

Sainz is proving to be a lot better this year than what he produced last year but he's no Leclerc.
I appreciate he's having a purple patch but results don't always paint the true picture.
I feel that if both Charlse and Sainz were driving the Red Bulls, in other words a championship capable car, Leclerc would destroy Sainz.
I would say Sainz is probably better at making the most of a bad car, but even then I feel that's not entirely true as I feel Charles has had the short end of the stick with many of Ferrari's decisions this year, and not only this year but last year too.

If this year's Ferrari was the best car Sainz would still be ahead. He's a pretty clinical guy. He's usually been the one to force a strategy when the team hesitates. He was close within 60 points of Charles last year whilst saying he didn't like the car.

Both drivers bring something different, but that was class from Sainz all weekend. He didn't panic at any stage of the race which is a rare attribute.

[messy]

Personally, I’m struggling to be convinced by many of these guys as definite ‘future World Champions’ - I think they’re all in the ‘could win it in the right circumstances’ category but that’s it. Maybe Lando Norris is the one that convinces me the most, actually. What he’s doing for McLaren has been hugely impressive for the last three years, putting Ricciardo away and being so, so close to winning three or four times now. But in a world where Max Verstappen is in a Red Bull and Lewis Hamilton still operating at such a high level I’m finding the rest of them fairly unexciting.

[AlexPrime]

I think that people are way too harsh. Carlos, Charles, George and Lando all look very promising to me. Oscar is also very talented. Would they beat Max right now in the other RBR? No, he is in the zone. But I think in the right circumstances they can all dominate. Will any of them have such circumstances, I have no idea.

[TomNokoe]

Why is Sainz so despised?

I don't know. I have noticed there is also a higher than I expected proportion of fans who either dislike or don't rate Norris.

I wonder if it has something to do with how they're perceived when they first enter F1. Because they do not immediately show prodigious talent, they are cast aside in the minds of many, and so when they grow to be very, very good drivers, it is difficult to reconcile for the majority.

Specifically to Sainz, I think he probably has the Rosberg/Russell syndrome as being seen to challenge the Golden Boy, which when combined with his presumed status (above) of "good but not great" is seen as undue arrogance.

[dia6olo]

If this year's Ferrari was the best car Sainz would still be ahead. He's a pretty clinical guy. He's usually been the one to force a strategy when the team hesitates. He was close within 60 points of Charles last year whilst saying he didn't like the car.

Both drivers bring something different, but that was class from Sainz all weekend. He didn't panic at any stage of the race which is a rare attribute.

I feel there's no chance of that, with a championship car Sainz has no chance against Leclerc, a race here a race there yes, but over a season Leclerc would destroy him.

[registered]

I don't know. I have noticed there is also a higher than I expected proportion of fans who either dislike or don't rate Norris.

I wonder if it has something to do with how they're perceived when they first enter F1. Because they do not immediately show prodigious talent, they are cast aside in the minds of many, and so when they grow to be very, very good drivers, it is difficult to reconcile for the majority.

Specifically to Sainz, I think he probably has the Rosberg/Russell syndrome as being seen to challenge the Golden Boy, which when combined with his presumed status (above) of "good but not great" is seen as undue arrogance.

This describes fairly accurately how Sainz is sometimes being spoken about in the Ferrari so I would say for some people that's totally true

[Collombin]

That's why it's such a shame for Felipe Massa that he missed out on being part of that group because of the organizers letting a result stand after cheating

If this now becomes the twisted narrative for that season then maybe it's worth it for Felipe. Let's nip it in the bud - Alonso DQ increases Hamilton's advantage, and Spa was a huge "questionable administrative error" in Massa's favour.

Agree with almost all the rest of the post though.

Edited by Collombin, 17 September 2023 - 20:35.

[TomNokoe]

This describes fairly accurately how Sainz is sometimes being spoken about in the Ferrari so I would say for some people that's totally true

Which of course is unfair because they are all elite, elite sportsmen, and for example in my position as a Hamilton fan, if I ever bash or criticise Russell for being "obsessed with Lewis" or similar, it is slightly hyperbolic or in jest

FWIW, Sainz sudden burst in form is very good for the sport!

[messy]

I think that people are way too harsh. Carlos, Charles, George and Lando all look very promising to me. Oscar is also very talented. Would they beat Max right now in the other RBR? No, he is in the zone. But I think in the right circumstances they can all dominate. Will any of them have such circumstances, I have no idea.

There’s no shame in not being a generational talent, though. I don’t think anyone’s saying these drivers are no good, just that they’re probably not nailed on future WDC generational talents like Max and Lewis are/were.

Edited by messy, 17 September 2023 - 20:38.

[allaboard70]

I feel there's no chance of that, with a championship car Sainz has no chance against Leclerc, a race here a race there yes, but over a season Leclerc would destroy him.

It's nonsense. 

[dia6olo]

It's nonsense. 

It wasn't nonsense in 2022 with the F1-75 (championship capable car) at least initially, were was Sainz.... Oh yeah championship capable car...

[allaboard70]

It wasn't nonsense in 2022 with the F1-75 (championship capable car) at least initially, were was Sainz.... Oh yeah championship capable car...

We shouldn't read too much into the 2022 season! To me, Saiz is a more likely upcoming wdc than Leclerc. That is my personal opinion. You think the opposite, and that's okay! 

[RacingFan10]

F1-75 was nowhere near being a championship capable car, let's be serious pls. Red Bull was head and shoulders above in terms of race pace and tire management. Don't let the qualifying results fool you. Red Bull won 17 out of 22 races, not as dominant as this year but thats still pretty much dominant

 

Also this theory that certain drivers can do well or not depending if the car is championship capable or not, is utter nonsense. Sainz struggled adapting to the new ground effect car for the first part of 2022 and Leclerc adapted quicker, that has nothing to do on how the car performed relative to the others.

Edited by RacingFan10, 17 September 2023 - 21:39.

[allaboard70]

Carlos, Lando and Oscar are the most likely future world champions in my opinion. 

[Myrvold]

I don't know. I have noticed there is also a higher than I expected proportion of fans who either dislike or don't rate Norris.

 

I think this is slightly down to how he is. I feel like Norris the person is a person that people either really like, or don't like at all. This often tends to affect how people look at him as a driver as well. He has played his cards very good in regards to his financial background and the money spent, but that also rubs some the wrong way.

Personally I feel like the person Lando Norris hasn't really evolved much since he joined F1, and find him a combination of a bit too childish and spoiled. I also thought he'd be better earlier. However, it does seem like he is getting better every year, which is quite interesting.

 

For the question of the thread. I, for some weird reason. Genuinely think that Ocon in car good enough to win the title, is a good contender.

Edited by Myrvold, 17 September 2023 - 21:26.

[1player]

 

Personally I feel like the person Lando Norris hasn't really evolved much since he joined F1, and find him a combination of a bit too childish and spoiled.

And what about his on track performance?

[RacingFan10]

I have to be honest when I say that I don't think any of the newer generation are great drivers.
 

 

Have to disagree on that, I think this current grid is one of the best we've ever had overall and if no one stands out (except Max) is because they are all so good,

"Aliens" like Max, Hamilton, Alonso are almost "one in a generation" talents

[1player]

My vote goes to Norris, Sainz, possibly Leclerc but every season he seems less likely. Jury's still out for Russell, and maybe Piastri has the makings of a F1 champion, but it's too early to say.

[dia6olo]

F1-75 was nowhere near being a championship capable car, let's be serious pls. Red Bull was head and shoulders above in terms of race pace and tire management. Don't let the qualifying results fool you. Red Bull won 17 out of 22 races, not as dominant as this year but thats still pretty much dominant

Get a grip man I said initially, half a dozen races or so, Monaco was the 7th race on the calendar and of those seven races Ferrari could have EASILY won at least 5 if not more of those but for Red Bull luck with safety cars, Ferrari stupidity and reliability.

That car while it lasted was a championship capable car, if you want to wear roses tinted glasses and only see what you want to see that's fine but you are talking nonsense!

Edited by dia6olo, 17 September 2023 - 21:47.

[RekF1]

I don't know. I have noticed there is also a higher than I expected proportion of fans who either dislike or don't rate Norris.
I wonder if it has something to do with how they're perceived when they first enter F1. Because they do not immediately show prodigious talent, they are cast aside in the minds of many, and so when they grow to be very, very good drivers, it is difficult to reconcile for the majority.
Specifically to Sainz, I think he probably has the Rosberg/Russell syndrome as being seen to challenge the Golden Boy, which when combined with his presumed status (above) of "good but not great" is seen as undue arrogance.

Pretty much. Although I rate and dislike Norris in equal measure. I admit that his apparent disrespect towards Hamilton clouds how I judge his character, I just get very privileged vibes from him. Same with Sainz, but he owns it in a weirdly way?

As for the rules of public perception. Who ****ing knows what's going on there. I always think of Grosjean at the end of 2012 and beginning of 2013. How did this guy come away with a good reputation after all of the chaos either side of this brief, okay-ish form?

[RPM40]

F1-75 was nowhere near being a championship capable car, let's be serious pls. Red Bull was head and shoulders above in terms of race pace and tire management. Don't let the qualifying results fool you. Red Bull won 17 out of 22 races, not as dominant as this year but thats still pretty much dominant

Of course. But early in the season the Ferrari was a genuine challenger and Sainz was no were. It was all Leclerc.

[chrcol]

Max has this generation sown up in my opinion, even though I dont think he has same car as his team mate, he is a WDC calibre driver still.

 

Norris in the right car and with favouritism could get one, but I dont think he is capable with a strong team mate and no favouritism.

 

Russell I dont think is good enough.

 

Leclerc too many errors in him, Sainz seems more stable, but not always on the pace the car is capable off.

Edited by chrcol, 18 September 2023 - 09:19.

[Myrvold]

And what about his on track performance?

 

You did manage to continue reading the next sentence? Or did you just read that. Decide to ignore the next sentence, quote the post, remove the following sentence and then ask?

 

Seriously. Do better.