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[1player]

@NicolePiastri

Anyone got a cheap flight to Japan?

Apparently Zak Brown on a Sky interview has offered to fly her to Japan, but she replied on Twitter that she'd rather be anxious watching the race at home

[Clatter]

Enforcing track limits at Degner is dumb, cmon

Why?

[F1Gui]

I suspect RB will fit hard tyres to Perez, run him long and use him as a road block so Max has a gap to drop into after the 1st stop. Ferrari will have their usual bad tyre wear but be quick enough on the straights to hold off Mercedes. McLaren will be delighted to get on the podium. Here's hoping MV has a rubbish start or a well timed safety car to help the others otherwise it will be a snooze fest.

[Astandahl]

 

Perez telemetry is borderline embarrassing. It seems he is driving a Ferrari. There is a 20 kph difference at one point  

Edited by Astandahl, 23 September 2023 - 16:00.

[Reversa]

[DW46]

Schumacher - Suzuka 2001
Vettel - Singapore 13
Rosberg - Singapore 16
Hamilton - Singapore 18
Verstappen - Suzuka 23

Races where I didn’t even focus on the outcome and just enjoyed seeing a driver at one with his car. Too young to appreciate a none battle for 1st prior to that and fortuitously it rarely felt like it occurred.

P.S - Or maybe I just like these two tracks 😂

Edited by DW46, 23 September 2023 - 16:14.

[jAnO76]

Agree with that but I don’t see Max beating LeClerc in a Ferrari or Hamilton in a Mercedes. The guys done some magic stuff in a racing car but hasn’t had any pressure to deal with for a few years. I appreciate it’s not a widely held view but this is Seb 13 stuff great but the true test will come later. . . Maybe.

You just started following this year?

[SophieB]

This is one of those ideas that are so good, I'm surprised it hasn't been done by Liberty for this race.
 
 
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[DW46]

You just started following this year?

No, but if this is the first time you’ve seen a great driver with a dominant car boss the field stick around for a few years. You’ll get used to it name changes from time to time though 👍

Alternately if I’m misreading your post and you think this is as challenging as it can get for Verstappen in a race car you might be in for a surprise when he gets some competition.

Edited by DW46, 23 September 2023 - 16:25.

[Nemo1965]

Perez telemetry is borderline embarrassing. It seems he is driving a Ferrari. There is a 20 kph difference at one point

If the third rectangle from the left is the Esses, the constant of speed of Max is amazing. And the drops of speed by Perez amazingly bad…

Edited by Nemo1965, 23 September 2023 - 16:26.

[Astandahl]

If the third rectangle from the right is the Esses, the constant of speed of Max is amazing. And the drops of speed by Perez amazingly bad…

It's absurd. Nothing against Max who is phenomenal, but this is awful. It seems like he's either suffering from massive understeer (completely different balance) or he just has 0 confidence.

Edited by Astandahl, 23 September 2023 - 16:27.

[DW46]

If the third rectangle from the left is the Esses, the constant of speed of Max is amazing. And the drops of speed by Perez amazingly bad…

I’m hoping for some onboards tomorrow 👏

[JBJ]

We have a "tires per driver left" update somewhere?

[jAnO76]

No, but if this is the first time you’ve seen a great driver with a dominant car boss the field stick around for a few years. You’ll get used to it name changes from time to time though 👍

Alternately if I’m misreading your post and you think this is as challenging as it can get for Verstappen in a race car you might be in for a surprise when he gets some competition.

Third option: I meant he was already winning races when someone else was bossing the field with a dominant car.

[Nemo1965]

I’m hoping for some onboards tomorrow 👏

If someone can post the compared telemetry regarding steering movements of Max versus Checo? My suspicion is that Perez steers much too much to the outsides before entry. Apparently the trick is there not to use the whole width of track but to just steer away from the approaching apex enough to be able to get through the next corner, so basically sacrifice the corner entry in favor of the exit, several times in a row. If Perez lacks confidence, that place would be a good indication.

Edited by Nemo1965, 23 September 2023 - 16:48.

[Rediscoveryx]

Perez was slower than Ocon in qualifying. You don't need Max to overperform him

Here’s the probable thing: That Red Bull is certainly good, but it’s not as dominant as some would have you believe. I think Max is probably overperforming more than Checo is underperforming.

I think it’s quite likely that McLaren has the strongest package this weekend. Red Bull just happen to have a god driving one of their cars.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Here’s the probable thing: That Red Bull is certainly good, but it’s not as dominant as some would have you believe. I think Max is probably overperforming more than Checo is underperforming.

I think it’s quite likely that McLaren has the strongest package this weekend. Red Bull just happen to have a god driving one of their cars.

No they don’t. It isn’t possible to outperform the physical limit of the car. The RB is the best package, with the best driver. Perez just isn’t anywhere near Verstappen.

He’ll likely finish second tomorrow, though.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 23 September 2023 - 16:55.

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[JeanAlesi27]

No, but if this is the first time you’ve seen a great driver with a dominant car boss the field stick around for a few years. You’ll get used to it name changes from time to time though

Alternately if I’m misreading your post and you think this is as challenging as it can get for Verstappen in a race car you might be in for a surprise when he gets some competition.

 

Max, in his current form is the best driver in F1.   Seems you want to beat the drum to state otherwise...  

[Rediscoveryx]

No they don’t. It isn’t possible to outperform the physical limit of the car. The RB is the best package, with the best driver. Perez just isn’t anywhere near Verstappen.

He’ll likely finish second tomorrow, though.

Of course it’s not possible to outperform the physical limits of the car. But some come closer to the limit than others, and right now I think Max is quite clearly the one who extracts the most out of his car of all the drivers on the grid.

It’s impossible to know for sure, but given that Red Bull seem intent to continue with Perez I think it’s reasonable to assume that they don’t believe swapping him for other available alternatives would be an improvement. From which you can deduce that they most likely believe that the performance that Perez leaves on the table is (at the very least) acceptable. I.e; they don’t consider his performance relative to Max to be unacceptable.

[DW46]

Max, in his current form is the best driver in F1. Seems you want to beat the drum to state otherwise...

You’d be hard pressed to find anyone disputing that.

If that’s what you inferred from my post I’d suggest you go back reread and repeat or just scroll on by whichever makes you feel more secure. 👍

[JimmyClark]

Why?

 

Most times they go wide at Degner they lose time, so no need to completely invalidate lap. If they somehow don't lose time, that's talent... 

 

It's not exactly a corner with acres of runoff that can be abused, so I think the natural limits are fine there, personally. 

[ANF]

We have a "tires per driver left" update somewhere?

https://twitter.com/...8109972/photo/1

or (NEW, used)

ALB : H · MM · S sss
ALO : HH · M · sss
BOT : H · M · SSS ss
GAS : HH · M · S sss
HAM : HH · M · sss
HUL : H · MM · SS ss
LAW : H · M · S ssss
LEC : H · MM · sss
MAG : HH · M · S sss
NOR : HH · M · sss
OCO : HH · M· S sss
PER : H · MM · sss
PIA : HH · M · sss
RUS : HH · M · sss
SAI : H · MM · sss
SAR : H · MM · SSS s
STR : H · M · SS sss
TSU : H · M · ssss
VER : H · MMM · ss
ZHO : H · M · SSS ss

[DW46]

Third option: I meant he was already winning races when someone else was bossing the field with a dominant car.

Again, we don’t disagree but I recall Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton doing similar. You’re free to be offended by those comparisons but I’m happy with my estimation of Verstappen been the dominant driver of the current era but no, nothing as yet to move him clear of the group above.

Where you see criticism I see praise. Maybe it’s a glass half full/empty thing?

[JeanAlesi27]

You’d be hard pressed to find anyone disputing that.

If that’s what you inferred from my post I’d suggest you go back reread and repeat or just scroll on by whichever makes you feel more secure.

 

Considering you mentioned Max couldn't match Leclerc in a Ferrari or Lewis in Mercedes...  perhaps you should try to be congruent in what you are saying.    The bolded part of your response... that's just laughable.  Just stick to the discussion stop trying to be Freud.

[DW46]

Considering you mentioned Max couldn't match Leclerc in a Ferrari or Lewis in Mercedes... perhaps you should try to be congruent in what you are saying. The bolded part of your response... that's just laughable. Just stick to the discussion stop trying to be Freud.

I’ll redirect you to my previous response 👍

[jAnO76]

Again, we don’t disagree but I recall Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton doing similar. You’re free to be offended by those comparisons but I’m happy with my estimation of Verstappen been the dominant driver of the current era but no, nothing as yet to move him clear of the group above.

Where you see criticism I see praise. Maybe it’s a glass half full/empty thing?

Ah, agreed

[Astandahl]

Here’s the probable thing: That Red Bull is certainly good, but it’s not as dominant as some would have you believe. I think Max is probably overperforming more than Checo is underperforming.

I think it’s quite likely that McLaren has the strongest package this weekend. Red Bull just happen to have a god driving one of their cars.

Are you joking, right?

 

This must be satire

Edited by Astandahl, 23 September 2023 - 18:14.

[vlado]

For all those hailing Verstrappens lap today - where was the magic last week then?? He has NO opponent, so it's very hard to rate his driving. Perez is miles away in the same car... I mean i win in sim racing when i switch the difficulty to easy...

 

Most of the magic is hidden in the buckets of downforce produced by the RB19 and the perfect balance of it it.. not to take away anything from the immense talent that VER certainly has, but people forget why the gaps are as big as they are. 

[Primo]

If someone can post the compared telemetry regarding steering movements of Max versus Checo? My suspicion is that Perez steers much too much to the outsides before entry. Apparently the trick is there not to use the whole width of track but to just steer away from the approaching apex enough to be able to get through the next corner, so basically sacrifice the corner entry in favor of the exit, several times in a row. If Perez lacks confidence, that place would be a good indication.

Part of the beauty with the Esses is that exit speed matters only once. Well - once per lap.

[Alfisti]

You guys defending Perez show why you're not team manager. The gap is huge, yeah it's only 4 cars but the car is so dominant, red bull know those days are limited, in a closer field he is 10th. That's their concern. They need him 3 tenths off, maximum.

[Astandahl]

I checked Perez lap from last year, and he has only improved by 0.059s.

 

It's like he was still driving the RB 18

Edited by Astandahl, 23 September 2023 - 18:33.

[messy]

Perez since those early season wins, his form has been horrible. He’s way too far off Max, worse than Albon or Gasly I’d hazard a guess. Saved only by the fact the Red Bull is so dominant. I’m fed up of people hailing his ‘punchy’ race drives as if fighting his way up from ninth to third in the dominant car is somehow impressive, or making up for the qualifying deficit. I’m disappointed they’re not ditching him for ‘24, if I’m honest. I never thought they would, but those comment from Marko and stuff the other week made me realise how much I’d like to see them offload him and get someone like Tsunoda in the car instead. I think I’d even take Ricciardo, as a bit of an experiment.

[MortenF1]

…or wth, Lawson!

[Clatter]

Most times they go wide at Degner they lose time, so no need to completely invalidate lap. If they somehow don't lose time, that's talent... 

 

It's not exactly a corner with acres of runoff that can be abused, so I think the natural limits are fine there, personally. 

 

I disagree with ignoring it though. The rules need to be applied consistently at all times. They should not go back to having a list of corners that penalty's don't apply to,

[loki]

Its disrespectful thats what it is.

Not anymore disrespectful than trying to limit someone’s earning potential that doesn’t work for you.  I didn’t see Tost volunteering to take a 2/3 to half pay cut (or more).  Most drivers don't make more than 10 mil a year anyway.  According to a recent piece only 5 make more than 10 mil with more than half making 5 mil or less.

[RacingSmoke]

You guys defending Perez show why you're not team manager. The gap is huge, yeah it's only 4 cars but the car is so dominant, red bull know those days are limited, in a closer field he is 10th. That's their concern. They need him 3 tenths off, maximum.

 

They are not going to drop him for a serious driver with ambition and talent sadly. At least not yet anyway. Bigger optics at play with Max there. We don't know what the landscape will be like next year, but I think it's likely they take another step and the gap increases if anything to the rest.

[Alfisti]

They are not going to drop him for a serious driver with ambition and talent sadly. At least not yet anyway. Bigger optics at play with Max there. We don't know what the landscape will be like next year, but I think it's likely they take another step and the gap increases if anything to the rest.

This is why they want ricciardo. He knows his place and if, big if, he rediscovers his old form he's the perfect driver. The question though....is if...

[w1Y]

As a Hamilton fan who suffered after 2021 I'm just not going to even try and argue that ATM verstappen isn't the fastest on the grid.

He's hit a sweet spot and I'm not sure anyone is beating him in the red bull as his partner.

Mclaren need to keep this up to keep their two.young stars because they do.have the speed to take it to versgappen if mclaren get the car right.

And let's hope merc get their act together as lewis is capable too.

And I say this hoping we will get a better battle next year. But if I was to put.money down I would do an acca that max wins at least the next 4 titles.

[YamahaV10]

That was a great lap by Piastri!  The more talent on the grid, the better. 

 

Has to make one wonder why Lando should stick around McLaren if he has another #1 driver breathing down his neck anyway. Might as well move to RB. McLaren was turning the corner in 2021 he thought. 2 steps forward, one step backwards for McLaren

[YamahaV10]

Perez since those early season wins, his form has been horrible. He’s way too far off Max, worse than Albon or Gasly I’d hazard a guess. Saved only by the fact the Red Bull is so dominant. I’m fed up of people hailing his ‘punchy’ race drives as if fighting his way up from ninth to third in the dominant car is somehow impressive, or making up for the qualifying deficit. I’m disappointed they’re not ditching him for ‘24, if I’m honest. I never thought they would, but those comment from Marko and stuff the other week made me realise how much I’d like to see them offload him and get someone like Tsunoda in the car instead. I think I’d even take Ricciardo, as a bit of an experiment.

 

Perez was like this in 2021 too. He was being out driven by Gasly in the Alpha Tauri for a long stretch. I don't know why they gave him another contract. Just buy him out. They have lots of money. 

Edited by YamahaV10, 23 September 2023 - 20:00.

[lewislorenzo]

Formula Max at the moment. His only competition is himself.

Well done to him, but hopefully Red Bull decide to put someone better in the second seat soon.

Why would they do that

[YamahaV10]

Why would they do that

 

For the marketing. They win the title either way. 2 #1 drivers going hammer and tong at Red Bull would be must watch action. Max will want the challenge by the end of this year. I think he's getting bored of these ho hum wins. 

[lewislorenzo]

I think it’s quite likely that McLaren has the strongest package this weekend.

Red Bull just happen to have a god driving one of their cars.

No they don’t have the strongest package🙄

You meant a God designing their car😉

[stevesingo]

Here’s the probable thing: That Red Bull is certainly good, but it’s not as dominant as some would have you believe. I think Max is probably overperforming more than Checo is underperforming.

I think it’s quite likely that McLaren has the strongest package this weekend. Red Bull just happen to have a god driving one of their cars.

 

 

Of course it’s not possible to outperform the physical limits of the car. But some come closer to the limit than others, and right now I think Max is quite clearly the one who extracts the most out of his car of all the drivers on the grid.

It’s impossible to know for sure, but given that Red Bull seem intent to continue with Perez I think it’s reasonable to assume that they don’t believe swapping him for other available alternatives would be an improvement. From which you can deduce that they most likely believe that the performance that Perez leaves on the table is (at the very least) acceptable. I.e; they don’t consider his performance relative to Max to be unacceptable.

 

So, if we take the premise that a driver cannot drive the car faster that it is capable of going and VER is driving the RB as close to that limit as possible, and PER is far behind. All we ca

 

What's to say that LEC, PIA or NOR are not driving as close to possible to the limit of the car. So what are we left with? Even with the best McL sectors joined up, we have a 0.36s advantage the RB has over the McL at this race. At a track which suits the McL!

 

That is not insignificant.

 

The McL cars are separated by 0.035s and the RB drivers 0.773s. I don't think it is too great a stretch to claim, PIA & NOR all got close (but didn't get there) to the maximum, PER underperformed.

 

No doubt VER is good, but none of his team mates ever have been, so I will hold back on calling him a driving God just yet, same as I wouldn't  proclaim HAM, ALO, VET were ever such.

Edited by stevesingo, 23 September 2023 - 20:19.

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Race day thread: https://forums.autos...se-gp-race-day/

 

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