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[Clatter]

Then it comes back to Daniel and Oscar being unduly punished for doing the correct thing, when doing the wrong thing would have been to their advantage.

They were just unlucky. They are not the first, nor will they be the last, to suffer an unfortunate set of circumstances that disadvantages them.

[Broekschaap]

I join the party of the confused. Is this the finish line? Would explain the mentioned gap between the cars but it's quite the distance to the spot where the flag is waved.

 

Edited by Broekschaap, 06 November 2023 - 13:54.

[Collombin]

You're overlooking Fernando's achievements in their entirety though

Re sportcars crossover, I think every WDC before Prost competed in at least one world championship sportscar race, every WDC before Fittipaldi "podiumed", and every WDC before Clark won. No drivers' title before the 1980s in sportscars though.

[1player]

Not sure where to post this: "Red Bull Racing, Aston Martin & Williams Racing has been summoned to the stewards after Haas submitted a right of review for the United States Grand Prix 2023."

It's on Reddit, I can't post the FIA documents. Any good soul that wants to start a thread?

EDIT: nvm there is a thread

Edited by 1player, 06 November 2023 - 14:02.

[Clatter]

Went to look at the docs and just found that the circuit are in bother due to a track invasion.

https://www.fia.com/...rganisation.pdf

[WouterF1]

What was he singing?

When Max and his dad went every weekend to Italy in the car  year after year his dad always played: "Green, green, grass of home." from Tom Jones.

Max had good memories from that song. Horner new that and they surprised Max yesterday with that song during the inlap  because he defeated the record of Ascari.

 

This is the original video: https://twitter.com/...250051941335421

 

Edited by WouterF1, 06 November 2023 - 14:26.

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

Surely Formula1 YouTube channel is preparing Fernando Alonso vs Sergio Perez hopefully with all the radio messages.

Interestingly, Mike Krack says that RedBull asked Sergio to follow the lines that Fernando drives.

https://www.motorspo...odium/10543622/

[ANF]

I join the party of the confused. Is this the finish line? Would explain the mentioned gap between the cars but it's quite the distance to the spot where the flag is waved.
 

Yep. The control/finish line is always chequered on F1 circuits. Here's the control line and the start line at Interlagos:

[ANF]

Went to look at the docs and just found that the circuit are in bother due to a track invasion.

https://www.fia.com/...rganisation.pdf

No track invasion onboard videos floating aroud this time?

[Outsider]

And without Magnussen and Hulkenberg being unable to drive neither of them would have had damage that they had absolutely no way of avoiding.

 

 

i'm sorry, are people obliged to handle favours for drivers who are as you said, innocent bystanders? or is that only for australian drivers?

[Dolph]

That’s hilarious.

 

Wait for the highlights on C4 like everyone else, Max!

 

 

Its stupidly dangerous, is what it is. He needs a screen in the car so he does not have to hunt for screen around the track.

[Clatter]

No track invasion onboard videos floating aroud this time?

I've not looked. The first I knew anything had happened was reading the doc on the FIA site.

[PayasYouRace]

 

Alonso needed that result badly to stay in the hunt for the No Red Bull championship. 17 points behind with two races to go. Norris has also claimed 3rd overall after his fourth GP win of the year. A great recovery from McLaren. There's a good fight down the bottom of the table for the honour of Not Last between Riccardo and Sargeant too.

[Rumblestrip]

I hadn't seen the points per race for a while. The McLaren change in form is amazing.

[Clrnc]

 

Alonso needed that result badly to stay in the hunt for the No Red Bull championship. 17 points behind with two races to go. Norris has also claimed 3rd overall after his fourth GP win of the year. A great recovery from McLaren. There's a good fight down the bottom of the table for the honour of Not Last between Riccardo and Sargeant too.

Thanks for doing this the whole season Payas. Very interesting, especially knowing Sageant would have had 9 points too

[Benchulo]

Alonso needed that result badly to stay in the hunt for the No Red Bull championship. 17 points behind with two races to go. Norris has also claimed 3rd overall after his fourth GP win of the year. A great recovery from McLaren. There's a good fight down the bottom of the table for the honour of Not Last between Riccardo and Sargeant too.

Fingers crossed, Aston Martin to have similarly competitive cars for the next two races! Alonso and Hamilton battling for the best of rest was what made me follow this season with interest.

[jcbc3]

 

 

A.... Norris has also claimed 3rd overall after his fourth GP win of the year. .

 

5th win?

[PayasYouRace]

5th win?

Yes, I can’t count.

[vlado]

[Ben24]

You’ll to provide evidence for this.

 

I can’t remember drivers being gifted a lap after a red flag situation. It’s not like the old days when a race red flagged before 2 laps were completed was declared void and restarted from scratch. That isn’t done any more.

 

Seems both were incredibly lucky to get to restart the race. In a normal situation, they’d probably have been out, or lost even more laps. 

It's actually common for drivers to be "gifted" a lap back when a red flag is shown later in the race and the field is spread out. If the leaders have just passed the pit entrance when the red is shown they will obviously have to complete an extra lap to those behind them before they can enter the pits. They weren't actually a lap ahead at the time the red flag was shown so it makes sense that the others are given the lap back.

 

In this case, Ricciardo and Piastri were clearly not a lap down yet and were in fact past the control line in their pit boxes when the red flag was called so technically they were on lap 2 just like everyone else when the red flag was shown. So to me there is a genuine argument that they should remain on the lead lap. If they were attempting to get back onto track after a slow stop but just failed to exit the pits in time before the red flag then I have absolutely no doubt that they would have been given the lap back - they'd have been allowed to go out and complete their second lap shortly before the restart so that they completed their second lap under the red flag like everyone else got to. I think for them the issue was that they were still in their box and behind the snake of cars in the pitlane rather than at the head of the queue when everyone came in, which is the only thing that put them a lap down. So in essence they actually got lapped under red flags when the race wasn't even running

[JimmyClark]

Apparently there were only 24 overtakes in the race. That seems really low for Brazil (especially with that ridiculous DRS). 

[Laster]

That may have been affected by the loss of quarter of the field on the opening lap (Ricciardo & Piastri were a lap down so I’m including them with that.) I imagine more overtaking would have happened with them all involved.

I am curious though how many overtakes happened in the sprint by comparison.

Edited by Laster, 08 November 2023 - 14:09.

[JeePee]

Apparently there were only 24 overtakes in the race. That seems really low for Brazil (especially with that ridiculous DRS).

The Perez/Alonso fight shows us we don't need drive by's. A build up of 5 to 10 laps to an overtake is much nicer.

[Anderis]

Apparently there were only 24 overtakes in the race. That seems really low for Brazil (especially with that ridiculous DRS). 

The fact that there were so many early retirements (and "almost" retirements like in case of Ricciardo and Piastri, who were a lap behind and could only overtake each other) may have been the primary cause of that.

Edited by Anderis, 08 November 2023 - 13:35.

[ARTGP]

Apparently there were only 24 overtakes in the race. That seems really low for Brazil (especially with that ridiculous DRS).

Yet the race was still extremely satisfying to me.

Edited by ARTGP, 08 November 2023 - 13:37.

[Laptom]

Or maybe anyone else driving the Red Bull would have overtaken Alonso.
 

 

Well, at least Perez could overtake Lewis in AD21 with that RedBull  .

[thefinalapex]

https://www.motorspo...ld-f1-champion/

 

Great article about age and Performance plus a mention of why Schumacher struggled at his come back @George Constanza.

[Primo]

https://www.motorspo...ld-f1-champion/

 

Great article about age and Performance plus a mention of why Schumacher struggled at his come back @George Constanza.

"Desire". Yes, desire "slows down" aging to some extent but against the constantly decreasing "frame rate" in our nervous system "desire" eventually has to cave in. Our movements and thoughts become more pixelated. 

[MikeTekRacing]

https://www.motorspo...ld-f1-champion/

 

Great article about age and Performance plus a mention of why Schumacher struggled at his come back @George Constanza.

I don't fully buy those reasons for Michael's struggles.

In his last seasons he had some dreadful luck in the first races - but in the second half of the championship he was better than Rosberg - the car was just nowhere.

 

The team he joined thought F1 was going to be cheap. It took years of convincing Mercedes to invest, and then they fully focused (rightly) on the new rules. 

Michael struggled (but it's not like he was seconds off the pace) to adapt his driving style to blown diffusers, he used to ride the throttle to balance the rear under braking and that was impeding the ebd - he was being asked a lot of times by his race engineer to stop touching the throttle under braking. F1 was just very different from 2006...and Rosberg was no pushover