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[brands77]

There is lots in the press about the manner of Jaume Masia's Moto3 title win last weekend. Not just the borderline (over the line?) passes he himself made on Sasaki, but also for his teammate Adrian Fernandez punting Sasaki off, after seemingly looking for him to see where he was. Both Doohan and Hodgson have said that in their opinion they consider that it was over the line.

 

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at poor riding standards between two riders going for a championship after all Marc Crashez has set the standard for this kind of conduct and by getting away with it, the authorities are basically saying it's ok (and that was even before Freddie Spencer became chief steward and Freddie has history too in that department     ). But for a team mate to do what appears to be to deliberately run off a rival that's new. Yes I remember Spaan being mugged by Capirossi's fellow Italians and sure Rossi accused Crashez of "interferring" with his race to help Gorgeous George, but to actually crash into a rider that your team mate is racing for a title I can't remember that happening before.

Edited by brands77, 22 November 2023 - 16:01.

[tonyed]

I am of the opinion that generally throughout all the three MotoGP classes the standard of 'safe' riding has fallen dramatically.

It's a punishable offence to deliberately interfere with another rider but seems to be rarely enforced.

Too many desperate maneuvers, too many desperate riders with seemly little regard for their and their fellow competitors.

There are are several in all classes that should receive race bans and some that should be to told to spend the season cooling off back in the Iberian peninsula.     

[brands77]

There have always been riders others complain about. Takazumi Katayama I remember was one and Ekerold and Nieto were considered a "hard" riders. I don't recall any of their contemporaries calling them dangerous though. 

 

Riding standards seem to have slipped dramatically recently. I can't remember anything anywhere near the number of times riders get punted off, make contact in the corners or force others off line as now during the 70s, 80s, 90s or 2000s. But now every weekend there are multiple incidents and as Tonyed says it's throughout the classes. I may be wrong but I do think the number of incidents have risen since since Marquez arrived on the scene and in my opinion letting him get away with it has meant that it is now the norm to ride the way he does. I can recall Jack Miller when he was in Moto3 noting that the Marquez brothers weren't adverse to "rubbing". I do think racing is more dangerous now as a result and the age of the riders in Moto3 now means they just don't have the maturity to think about the consequences of their actions. We had a terrible season last year with young rider deaths, we have maybe been lucky this year, but I would rather the racing were less frenetic and safer, it wouldn't diminish the "show" for me. Riders aren't expendable.

[tonyed]

Sorry to say it but the fact is too many Spanish desperadoes trying to be Fart Fartez.

Look at that idiot Esparago at the last GP lashing out at Morbidelli for his own error and the coming on all aggrieved as Franco said 'what do you tell your children'. Trying to take the heat off himself with some puerile comment about family This isn't the wild west or 'smokin' barrels'.

They have NO maturity, never mind the yoofs in Moto3 this behavior is typical of many MotoGP most are Spanish.

Being a motorcycle racer myself from the past I wish we'd had the structure than Spain has produced, and still don't have which our useless ACU realised no good comes from just promoting British Superbikes and the other production based classes.

Where we have those totally pathetic one make touring bike races with no hopers aboard instead of promoting the kids on Moto3 or even 125 bikes, no not 125 shoppers but proper GP bikes we loose.

But when the product is brainless banzais with no regard for anything but 'dive bombing' their opposition. Aggression is part of racing but mindless aggression is just yobbery and has NO place on the track.  

And people like Hodgeson who love the 'aggression' of some of the younger Spaniards coming out with criticism about Espagero, however merited that criticism is smacks of hypocrisy to me.

I think MotoGP needs to grow up, not just the riders but the pundits who comment on it.

Edited by tonyed, 24 November 2023 - 09:20.

[brands77]

Interesting comments here by Marco Bezzechi about Marc Marquez https://www.crash.ne...uez-s-motorhome

 

Marquez involved in 2 major incidents at Valencia this weekend, in the second one Martin says Marquez released this brakes to cause the crash. I've certainly seen Marquez make the same move many times before and force the other ride sit up so that Marquez can make the pass stick. I'm not sure what to make of that one, was this a case of "biter bit"?

Edited by brands77, 27 November 2023 - 18:00.

[tonyed]

Marquez is certainly the dirtiest rider I have seen in my many years watching GP racing.

Unfortunately there are quite a number on mini-marquezs coming up (or rather through) the ranks.

As Bezzechi comments the stewards don't touch menace Marquez.