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[Zmeej]

Zmeej, I know you have at least a modicum of understanding of French   , so can you watch RDS? 

 

On a more serious note, I think the days of Sky on TSN are numbered. I fully expect F1 to go on subscription mode in the next couple of years in Canada, which would likely mean F1 TV for us. The current contract expires in 2024 and Bell Media isn't doing all that well.

 

(For those not in Canada, for reference: Bell cuts 1,300 positions, closes radio stations | CityNews Halifax)

 

Thanks for the "modicum" 

 

Would love to watch RDS - Les Glorieux properly, for one thing, but also the F1 coverage. 

 

Unfortunately, don't have the money to get it in a package. 

 

Also, you've re-opened a wound: was infuriated when Radio Canada sold its hockey rights. 

 

Anyway, have done my best to remain as ignorant as possible about how media are run in Kanadar since the turn of the century. That way, I'm free to view successes as happy serendipities and failures as bad luck, and don't have to agonise over whether something good is going to get ****ed up soon and be plunged into rages when something excellent is deep-sixed or fails due to mismanagement...

[tourister46a]

The lead F1TV commentator for 2023 was Alex Jaques.

 

Ben Edwards took his place only for the British GP this year

[Zmeej]

Ah well, back to being confused.

 

Anyway, I like Ben Edwards’ lead miking.

[Primo]

 

 

Unfortunately, don't have the money to get it in a package. 

 

Weird, ain't it, that so many so many that  has the heart in humanity and the head in the bigger picture does not "have the money".

Yes, I ended  up at a bar opening where all the drinks was free, and it is very much OT, but I think that maybe now and then we humans needs to stop and think about what is really important in life. For those of you who don't know for sure; I can tell you: It's art!


Because art is who we are.

[Hinkypunk]

Because art is who we are.

There is a phrase in a song by a german rapper:

Jeder von uns ist Kunst, gezeichnet vom Leben.

each of us is art, painted/marked by life

[w1Y]

I actually think if it's time to replace anyone it would be brundle. I think the likes of palmer, Davidson, chandock are adding more in that role.

[IrvTheSwerve]

By the way, ‘mic’ is short for microphone…not ‘Mike’ or ‘mik’…just saying. 

[jonpollak]

Your not just taking the Mick are ya?

Jp

[davidbuckden]

Bernie Collins operates at a very high professional level and adds so much to each weekend. I learn a lot when she is involved.

 

Naomi Schiff on the other hand is totally out of place and adds no value. Placing her in a more central role makes no sense. 

 

Drop Naomi and increase Bernie's airtime.

It's intriguing isn't it - quite often people get gigs on TV/Radio for which they seem completely unsuitable! So when I moan about one of these, I should really be complaining about whoever it is in management who is - for whatever reason - championing the cause of that presenter. Schiff can hardly be said to have significant racing experience, apparently has no relevant technical experience/insight, comes over as being arrogant and with a cold personality, as well as being someone who the camera doesn't love. One of the things that makes for Bernie's appeal is how, in contrast, she is so unassuming, (whilst being extremely well-informed and articulate on her technical specialisms). Notice that similar comments apply with Ant, who, along with Bernie should be featured every race rather than on an alternating basis.

[flatlandsman]

The same logic applies to racing drivers, there is now a clear drive to push all sorts of very unqualified female racing drivers into f1 cockpits to do, let's be honest very little, to appear to be gender positive. Now this does very little harm to the driver, they get immense media exposure and that will usually result in a positive for their career.

 

But does it harm the team, initially probably not, they also get a ton of media exposure. But longer term with no activity and no real cockpit time it becomes what we all know it is, a media stunt. 

 

Surely that can then have a negative impact, but not necessarily on the team which is the annoying part, mainly on women in motorsport. Who, as a group in both driving and engineering, need all the help they can get.  Yet these teams pull these stunts, do further damage and get away with it. 

 

One day I hope a female racing driver says "eff off" to a team wanting to do this, "you are not helping the cause, you just want clicks"

 

Which is all Schiff is, a double click on a few HR boxes. Nothing against her personally but she will, have had extensive training and the like to be where she is. Anyone can do it, honestly. 

 

Annoyingly at the same time as all this went crazy you had Iron Dames winning their class in Bahrain and a few weeks before Doriane Pin pulling out 15 seconds on a pro field in GT3 at Petit Le Mans, all things that do far more for females in racing than any f1 team have done in 20 years or Schiff has done by being a pundit on Sky. 

[jjcale]

1/ Someone who actually knows what they’re talking about for a change.

2/ Long past the time that a woman should have this position.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, behold! .... the modern western mind at work. 

 

Decisions taken using this type of thinking are sure to have results that are sure to end well ..... right?

[Zmeej]

By the way, ‘mic’ is short for microphone…not ‘Mike’ or ‘mik’…just saying. 

 

Pretty sure that both “mic” and “mike” are widely used.

[Sterzo]

Pretty sure that both “mic” and “mike” are widely used.

And insofar as there's a "correct" one, the Oxford English Dictionary gives "mike" but doesn't mention "mic". (Which surely would be pronounced "Mick", as though short for "Mickrophone"). So I disagree with Millstone.

[milestone 11]

And insofar as there's a "correct" one, the Oxford English Dictionary gives "mike" but doesn't mention "mic". (Which surely would be pronounced "Mick", as though short for "Mickrophone"). So I disagree with Millstone.

Bugger all to do with me, I agree with you BTW.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Pretty sure that both “mic” and “mike” are widely used.

 

After a quick google, it says that 'both mic and mike are used for shortened terms'...so fair enough! I have to say though that I've never ever seen it written as 'mike', only 'mic'. 

[milestone 11]

After a quick google, it says that 'both mic and mike are used for shortened terms'...so fair enough! I have to say though that I've never ever seen it written as 'mike', only 'mic'.

https://dictionary.c...ry/english/mike

Both mike and mic commonly appear as shortened forms of microphone, but mike is the accepted spelling in most dictionaries. Mic presents difficulties because it looks like it should be pronounced mick and because it produces the problematic participles miced and micing. Miked and miking work better. Of course, however the word is spelled, it is a verb mainly in the phrase mic/mike up, meaning to put a mic on someone or something.

Edited by milestone 11, 03 December 2023 - 13:56.

[IrvTheSwerve]

https://dictionary.c...ry/english/mike
 

 

Yeah, interesting that they changed the spelling just to avoid confusion. Maybe it's more prevalent in countries that are less English speaking? I've no idea. Never seen it written like that, as I said. You learn something new every day! 

[FLB]

Yeah, interesting that they changed the spelling just to avoid confusion. Maybe it's more prevalent in countries that are less English speaking? I've no idea. Never seen it written like that, as I said. You learn something new every day! 

There was somebody else that once used it: Trump Wrote 'Mike' Instead of 'Mic' — but Here's Why He's Right (businessinsider.com) (the article goes into detail as to why 'mike' isn't wrong)

[Grippy]

And insofar as there's a "correct" one, the Oxford English Dictionary gives "mike" but doesn't mention "mic". (Which surely would be pronounced "Mick", as though short for "Mickrophone"). So I disagree with Millstone.

 

English language can be weird though, just look at tying a bow in a ribbon vs a bow to a king, same word but different pronunciation because of context, so in context mic is pronounced as mike.
 

[milestone 11]

There was somebody else that once used it: Trump Wrote 'Mike' Instead of 'Mic' — but Here's Why He's Right (businessinsider.com) (the article goes into detail as to why 'mike' isn't wrong)

And  should anyone want to sum up. https://www.sambayer...es/whymike.html

[MaxCrazyEddieCayer]

Do you remember a time when RDS had to share the rights to F1 with Radio Cadena? We had Pierre and then instead of good old Bert we had Phillip Crepot. Now that was bad. And didn’t last. One season I think it was, at the top of the Villeneuve mania, I wanna say 1998?, then back to RDS with Pierre, Bertrand and Torto. Christian Tortora was basically French Canada’s version of Murray Walker. Loved him dearly when we was there. I haven’t watch a race on RDS in over a decade now, probably because I don’t live in French Canada anymore.

Thanks for the "modicum"

Would love to watch RDS - Les Glorieux properly, for one thing, but also the F1 coverage.

Unfortunately, don't have the money to get it in a package.

Also, you've re-opened a wound: was infuriated when Radio Canada sold its hockey rights.

Anyway, have done my best to remain as ignorant as possible about how media are run in Kanadar since the turn of the century. That way, I'm free to view successes as happy serendipities and failures as bad luck, and don't have to agonise over whether something good is going to get ****ed up soon and be plunged into rages when something excellent is deep-sixed or fails due to mismanagement...

[Zmeej]

Don’t remember, but that’s a great account.

[Zmeej]

And  should anyone want to sum up. https://www.sambayer...es/whymike.html

 

Mr Bayer sums it up perfectly:

”English is kind of a mongrel language”

[Grippy]

And  should anyone want to sum up. https://www.sambayer...es/whymike.html

That's American english not English english though, they substitute a 'z' when there's a perfectly good 's' that can be used.

 

This explains english;

Linguistic humor, The English lesson

https://www.ling.upe...ish-lesson.html

[Zmeej]

Only part of it.

 

Some things just aren't funny.

(Not a reference to the content of the linked item, but a general comment on matters pertaining to English.)

Edited by Zmeej, 03 December 2023 - 19:35.

[loki]

By the way, ‘mic’ is short for microphone…not ‘Mike’ or ‘mik’…just saying. 

Yep but in German it’s mikrofon.    Emile Berliner, a German (not to be confused with a jelly doughnut) got the first patent.

[loki]

Pretty sure that both “mic” and “mike” are widely used.

Not in the audio biz.  In English speaking places it’s mic though I’ve seen it as mikro in a few non English places.  When mike is used that’s how we tell the civilians from the players.  

[milestone 11]

...used that’s how we tell the civilians from the players.

Yes but, there are some that wold say precisely this hearing, relating to that little German car, nine eleven

[Zmeej]

When mike is used that’s how we tell the civilians from the players.  

 

When I’m in a studio or on set, often have difficulty telling whether I’m a civilian or a player.

 

This year, I’ve done much better on set, but I often need to have stuff translated for me.

[Muppetmad]

I'll say what I've said several times before: yes, Sky needs a new commentary line-up - neither Croft nor Brundle have been good commentators for at least several years now - but Sky also needs to let the commentators do their jobs. I'm not looking for "banter" from my commentators, nor to be told loudly and repeatedly that this race really will get interesting, we promise! (the idiom "don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining" springs to mind); I'm looking for a basic assessment of what is happening in front of the commentators' eyes. If they can predict to a reasonable degree of accuracy the way strategies might play out, all the better.

[jonpollak]

 

And insofar as there's a "correct" one, the Oxford English Dictionary gives "mike" but doesn't mention "mic". (Which surely would be pronounced "Mick", as though short for "Mickrophone"). So I disagree with Millstone.

The only time Mick is used is when the person shouting obscenities that pass for lyrics into it... is Irish.

Jp

[jonpollak]

sliding back on topic...

 I'm looking for a basic assessment of what is happening in front of the commentators' eyes.

I'm looking for the commentators to talk about what I am seeing on my TV screen.

 

Jp

[RedRabbit]

That's half the problem with the Sky team. They've tried too hard in the past to be like Top Gear.

It's because UK broadcasters tried to turn Clarkson, Hammond and May into a formula.

They'd be hilarious, but not sure all that concerned with accuracy though, which seems to be the major gripe here.

[cbo]

sliding back on topic...
I'm looking for the commentators to talk about what I am seeing on my TV screen.

Jp

I'd say that they should analyse what goes on at the TV-screen and give me insights, that the average viewer cannot deduce themselves.

No more idiotic banter, of course, but also none of the radio-commenting like "...he brakes, he goes into the corner and accellerates down the straight before braking for turn 12..."

A former WDC commenting on the difficulties of braking and turning into turn 12 caused by shifting aero dynamic loads, that I can live with 🙂

Edited by cbo, 04 December 2023 - 15:19.

[IrvTheSwerve]

This is basically the same conversation as the ongoing one in the SkyF1 thread isn’t it?

[Zmeej]

It might be, but this conversation is better, isn't it?

(ducks)

 

Besides, that thing is on Page 3.

Edited by Zmeej, 04 December 2023 - 16:34.

[Sterzo]

This is basically the same conversation as the ongoing one in the SkyF1 thread isn’t it?

Yes, it gives us the opportunity to repeat exactly the same complaints about Croft repeating exactly the same words.

[loki]

 

The only time Mick is used is when the person shouting obscenities that pass for lyrics into it... is Irish.

Jp

 

Or the name of the generously proportioned heavy metal sound guy…

[Zmeej]

Yes, it gives us the opportunity to repeat exactly the same complaints about Croft repeating exactly the same words.

 

Gee, is this really the only place on this Forum where that happens about any racing subject?

 

Besides, if this thread annoys you - stick to that one.

Edited by Zmeej, 04 December 2023 - 19:25.

[Autodromo]

As long as Diffey isn't coming back, I consider myself happy enough.

[JordanIreland]

It's intriguing isn't it - quite often people get gigs on TV/Radio for which they seem completely unsuitable! So when I moan about one of these, I should really be complaining about whoever it is in management who is - for whatever reason - championing the cause of that presenter. Schiff can hardly be said to have significant racing experience, apparently has no relevant technical experience/insight, comes over as being arrogant and with a cold personality, as well as being someone who the camera doesn't love. One of the things that makes for Bernie's appeal is how, in contrast, she is so unassuming, (whilst being extremely well-informed and articulate on her technical specialisms). Notice that similar comments apply with Ant, who, along with Bernie should be featured every race rather than on an alternating basis.

Ant and Bernie… that’s a great combo !!!

[Reinmuster]

English Premier League has women commentators now, so yeah why not.

[Counterbalance]

Naomi Schiff has achieved virually nothing of note in motorsport, but as other have pointed out she ticks the right boxes for Sky's HR department. Her delivery is stiff, monotonous, and it seems that every question she asks is pre-scripted. She also looks quite nervous on camera too, although that might just be my opinion, but I doubt I'm alone.

 

Despite what a lot of people think, I don't think Croft is a bad commentator at all. You need someone like him to inject a bit of energy into a dull race (or season), and he's full of that if nothing else. Bernie Collins brings brilliant technical insight to Sky and is a very valuable addition to the Sky F1 team, but I don't think she's lead commentator material either. I'd like to see Danica Patrick be given a go at lead with Martin Brundle for a race. That could be a good combinaton, 

Edited by Counterbalance, 05 December 2023 - 02:37.

[Chick0]

1/ Someone who actually knows what they’re talking about for a change.

2/ Long past the time that a woman should have this position.

 

 

Haha,  are you serious?  She is the worst pundit on SKY by far.   100% a diversity hire.   She's never worked in F1, she's never driven an F1 car, she's never raced in any top line formula, she has poor historical F1 knowledge and no mechanical / engineering back ground!      What is it she can really add to the broadcast other than a pretty face? 

 

She is also so biased toward Lewis that Sky might as well have brought in one of his own family to share their views.    

[Gary Davies]

Anyone come across the term Infinite Loop?

 

Time to apply the lock to this thread.

[PayasYouRace]

I do think the time has come.

 

https://forums.autos...ights-for-2019/

 

Nothing unique in this thread that isn’t being discussed in the link.