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[Ragingjamaican]

Looks like one of those basic liveries you get from the F1 Manager game.

[cjm321190]

Quite funny as i run a similar colour scheme, black and lime green from a stock F123 template.

[Rediscoveryx]

Looks like one of those basic liveries you get from the F1 Manager game.

True - but it’s still better than the previous bland one.

But an F1 grid needs at least one team with yellow as their primary color to really satisfy my esthetic demands. Who could we hope for in that regard? The CashApp team? Alpine (not really huh)?

[grandmastashi]

I applaud Sauber for doing something different with the green, but right now we're 4/4 teams who are running a livery with the base colour of black (bare carbon) and as little highlight colour as they can get away with.

 

The FIA need to step in on this before Bahrain and rule that a minimum percentage the bodywork of the car is painted and unique to the team, otherwise it's going to look ridiculous on TV. 

 

Knowing them though they'll do nothing until after the fact and all the casual viewers have complained en masse on Twitter. 

[FirstnameLastname]

^ and then there will be a loophole that they’ve failed to see

[grandmastashi]

^ and then there will be a loophole that they’ve failed to see

 

And we'll end up with the paint equivalent of the 2014 nosecones. 

[JimmyClark]

True - but it’s still better than the previous bland one.

But an F1 grid needs at least one team with yellow as their primary color to really satisfy my esthetic demands. Who could we hope for in that regard? The CashApp team? Alpine (not really huh)?

 

i think the year 2000 was peak F1 grid colours. 

 

Red - Ferrari

Orange - Arrows

Yellow - Jordan

Yellow/Green - Minardi

Green - Jaguar

Blues - Prost, Sauber, Benetton (all different and lovely hues)

White - BAR

[Ruusperi]

I also loved light blue and yellow of R202, and the combination of white and red of Toyota. And obviously Jaguar's green is epic itself.

[AncientLurker]

Not sure what everyone is expecting from liveries? They are just rolling billboards now, not art projects. At least the car is easily recognizable from the others now, before it looked like half the grid. That is all the sponsor wants.

 

The logos are not going away, so I would be just fine with each team having their own base colour on the car.

[Clrnc]

I also loved light blue and yellow of R202, and the combination of white and red of Toyota. And obviously Jaguar's green is epic itself.

The golden era of F1

[FirstnameLastname]

Do we need a separate thread for the Kick F1 Team?

https://www.motorspo...-race/10572928/

That’s potentially worse than the VCARB naming. A team that changes name throughout the year….

[PayasYouRace]

Not sure what everyone is expecting from liveries? They are just rolling billboards now, not art projects. At least the car is easily recognizable from the others now, before it looked like half the grid. That is all the sponsor wants.

The logos are not going away, so I would be just fine with each team having their own base colour on the car.

They’ve been rolling billboards since 1968 when sponsorship was first allowed.

I just don’t understand some people. I wonder how they’d have coped with the bare metal Silver Arrows of the 1930s, or perhaps the pre-1968 national colours which mean the majority of the grid were literally in the same livery, with maybe a few stripes to help differentiate them.

Not to mention that despite all the various complaints of how controlling the FIA are, now we’re having people ask to have them different mandate colours per team.

[Francesc]

I also loved light blue and yellow of R202, and the combination of white and red of Toyota. And obviously Jaguar's green is epic itself.

Late 90s and early 00s had the most beautiful cars.

[vlado]

[Wirdheim]

So Stake has now been removed from Saubers website.

According to SRF as Stake does not hold a license in Switzerland, the brand is not allowed to be advertised in the country - resulting in its casino commission opening an investigation.

[Beri]

So Stake has now been removed from Saubers website.

According to SRF as Stake does not hold a license in Switzerland, the brand is not allowed to be advertised in the country - resulting in its casino commission opening an investigation.

 

Goes to show the legislation on tieing down advertisements of these companies is wonky as hell. Like in the UK commentators are prohibited from naming the team as a whole on TV, yet the entire Premier League is sponsored by these online sports betting companies. Stake even sponsors Everton.

[Beri]

That being said; lets take up a bet. With everything going on and the backlash given, who else thinks that Stake will not make it onto the grid and Sauber will be the team name come Bahrain?

[JHSingo]

True - but it’s still better than the previous bland one.

But an F1 grid needs at least one team with yellow as their primary color to really satisfy my esthetic demands. Who could we hope for in that regard? The CashApp team? Alpine (not really huh)?

 

As yellow is my favourite colour, I second this. I still remember years ago when Haas was just about to enter that there was talk of them being yellow. But every year they've gone for some of the most boring colour combinations imaginable. 

 

But yeah, I really dislike how similar F1 liveries are becoming now. There's no creativity or individuality at all. And I'm so bored of black or unpainted carbon as being the main colour. 

[FLB]

Sauber is reportedly being sued in Switzerland for its name: https://www.lematin....me-555717639407 (en francais)

[PayasYouRace]

Anyone want to do a summary (in English)?

[Disgrace]

The Swiss federal gambling authority have started legal proceedings against Sauber as Stake may fall foul of gambling advertising laws. Stake is not a licensed operator in Switzerland. SRF (Swiss BBC) will avoid any mention of Stake.

[LolaB0860]

i think the year 2000 was peak F1 grid colours. 

 

Red - Ferrari

Orange - Arrows

Yellow - Jordan

Yellow/Green - Minardi

Green - Jaguar

Blues - Prost, Sauber, Benetton (all different and lovely hues)

White - BAR

 

IMO when Minardi turned predominantly black was when the ultimate livery circle was truly complete

[Organic]

There is supposed to be a shakedown today of the car

[KWSN - DSM]

Should the thread be called Stake, when they can not be called Stake in all countries they race, and possibly not in the country the team is located? 

[DW46]

Should the thread be called Stake, when they can not be called Stake in all countries they race, and possibly not in the country the team is located?

Best just call it Sauber to be on the safe side ;)

[Anja]

Should the thread be called Stake, when they can not be called Stake in all countries they race, and possibly not in the country the team is located? 

 

You don't understand, it's fresh and innovative! Disrupting the status quo!

[Ali623]

There is supposed to be a shakedown today of the car

 

Nice blurry photo from Barcelona, with the Kick logo.

 

[BRG]

There is supposed to be a shakedown today of the car

A Stakedown, you mean?

[RedRabbit]

The Swiss federal gambling authority have started legal proceedings against Sauber as Stake may fall foul of gambling advertising laws. Stake is not a licensed operator in Switzerland. SRF (Swiss BBC) will avoid any mention of Stake.

Opens up a great argument that the registered company name used as the competitor entry should just be the team name. Allowing 2 names for the same team, simply for sponsors has never been great.

[Beri]

Well, the first big motorsports media outlet has announced they will refrain using the sponsor names, but instead name the teams by their chassis name. Motorsports.com (the Dutch division of it) have put a news article out, stating they will not use the official team names, like Stake/Kick F1 Team or Visa CashApp RB F1 Team, but rather the chassis names Sauber and RB when they are writing about the respective teams.

If other news outlets and commentators around also do this, then the marketing value, of selling a team name like this, will drop significantly and perhaps it will be the teams themselves who will drop this. Or the FIA/FOM will mandate that there must be a team name which remains. Whether it is dressed up with sponsor names or not, that shouldnt matter. But a team name should never be a sponsor name.

The article is in Dutch, I trust on your skills to translate it yourself:
https://nl.motorspor...allen/10574099/

Good job Motorsports.com! Hopefully Autosport and the rest will follow suit as well.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Well, the first big motorsports media outlet has announced they will refrain using the sponsor names, but instead name the teams by their chassis name. Motorsports.com (the Dutch division of it) have put a news article out, stating they will not use the official team names, like Stake/Kick F1 Team or Visa CashApp RB F1 Team, but rather the chassis names Sauber and RB when they are writing about the respective teams.

If other news outlets and commentators around also do this, then the marketing value, of selling a team name like this, will drop significantly and perhaps it will be the teams themselves who will drop this. Or the FIA/FOM will mandate that there must be a team name which remains. Whether it is dressed up with sponsor names or not, that shouldnt matter. But a team name should never be a sponsor name.

The article is in Dutch, I trust on your skills to translate it yourself:
https://nl.motorspor...allen/10574099/

Good job Motorsports.com! Hopefully Autosport and the rest will follow suit as well.

 

Does the media have any kind of obligation (legal or otherwise) to say the 'correct' names? Obviously they want to be accurate, but if for example Croft and Brundle kept calling the Visacashwhatever a 'Toro Rosso' on the commentary, would they get into trouble for it?

[NotAPineapple]

Well, the first big motorsports media outlet has announced they will refrain using the sponsor names, but instead name the teams by their chassis name. Motorsports.com (the Dutch division of it) have put a news article out, stating they will not use the official team names, like Stake/Kick F1 Team or Visa CashApp RB F1 Team, but rather the chassis names Sauber and RB when they are writing about the respective teams.

If other news outlets and commentators around also do this, then the marketing value, of selling a team name like this, will drop significantly and perhaps it will be the teams themselves who will drop this. Or the FIA/FOM will mandate that there must be a team name which remains. Whether it is dressed up with sponsor names or not, that shouldnt matter. But a team name should never be a sponsor name.

The article is in Dutch, I trust on your skills to translate it yourself:
https://nl.motorspor...allen/10574099/

Good job Motorsports.com! Hopefully Autosport and the rest will follow suit as well.

 

That's obviously not going to solve anything. The teams will just start selling the chassis name. 

[PayasYouRace]

That's obviously not going to solve anything. The teams will just start selling the chassis name. 

Isn’t that what Sauber have done this year?

[Myrvold]

Isn’t that what Sauber have done this year?

Yup.

[FirstnameLastname]

Media accreditation will likely be removed. Paddock willl consist of Joe Saward type journos who are Liberty simps

[EvilPhil II]

Murray Walker was never sued. And he called the cars whatever he imagined they were

[PayasYouRace]

Interesting that you mention Murray. In the early 80s he'd sometimes use sponsor names.

For example in the 1981 Spanish GP he refers to the "Talbot" of Laffite. https://youtu.be/lzY...Dlf5sCu3g&t=468

And I'll struggle to find it, but I remember seeing a clip where he refers to Alan Jones in the "Saudia-Leyland".

[Myrvold]

Kick is getting some coverage for. Let's say... non moderation of streams that clearly secretly records (and livestreams), and distributes the recordings for a fee... of underage people. It's not even hidden. Done by verified "creators" (creators of... what?!). Kick staff is even watching the streams. To make it really good. One of the Kick owners decides to donate to one of these streamers.

 

It's never good if F1 teams loses sponsors and money from it. However. This is... sheesh. A couple of nice naming right sponsors for Sauber this year apparently.

[Beri]

Kick is getting some coverage for. Let's say... non moderation of streams that clearly secretly records (and livestreams), and distributes the recordings for a fee... of underage people. It's not even hidden. Done by verified "creators" (creators of... what?!). Kick staff is even watching the streams. To make it really good. One of the Kick owners decides to donate to one of these streamers.

 

It's never good if F1 teams loses sponsors and money from it. However. This is... sheesh. A couple of nice naming right sponsors for Sauber this year apparently.

 

All great and not very nice of Kick, but you watched F1 when 75% of the grid was plastered in manufacturers of little sticks that killed people. Did you react the same way on that?

[Collombin]

Interesting that you mention Murray. In the early 80s he'd sometimes use sponsor names

Late to the party having not been here before, but Murray was calling Lotuses "John Player Specials" in the mid-70s. Whether by order of Chunky or otherwise.

[Myrvold]

All great and not very nice of Kick, but you watched F1 when 75% of the grid was plastered in manufacturers of little sticks that killed people. Did you react the same way on that?

I'm not a big fan of "won't someone think of the children". However, there is a solid difference between: Taking a personal choice to start smoking (though, it also affects the ones around you), and secretly recording underage people, spreading the "content" (they do call themselves "content creators for Kick", when all they do is try to get under 18 sexual content...), even going so far to send the recorded stuff to family members of the kids... All streamed and talked about openly, with Kick staff being aware of it...

 

I also guess there is a difference in the fact that I was a child myself when tobacco-sponsoring started to get banned in some countries, and I was 15 I think when all teams except for Ferrari had moved on from it. I think it's quite normal to not react in the same way when being that young.

[RedRabbit]

I'm not a big fan of "won't someone think of the children". However, there is a solid difference between: Taking a personal choice to start smoking (though, it also affects the ones around you), and secretly recording underage people, spreading the "content" (they do call themselves "content creators for Kick", when all they do is try to get under 18 sexual content...), even going so far to send the recorded stuff to family members of the kids... All streamed and talked about openly, with Kick staff being aware of it...

I also guess there is a difference in the fact that I was a child myself when tobacco-sponsoring started to get banned in some countries, and I was 15 I think when all teams except for Ferrari had moved on from it. I think it's quite normal to not react in the same way when being that young.

Gonna agree here with you. I feel there is a vast difference between what you are saying about Kick and any tobacco advertising.

[JL14]

Apparently, one of the first things James Key did after his arrival was upping the aerodynamic performance targets of the 2024 car by 50%. And they have achieved them.

Source: Will Buxton on the F1 Nation podcast.

[Anderis]

Wow, no posts since February. I wondered if I was going crazy not being able to find it.

 

Bottas looked good early in the race today, but his first pit stop was 4 seconds, yet he was still ahead of Tsunoda by his 2nd pit stop, but of course he lost places during 2nd pit stop again.

[MortenF1]

What exactly is their struggles in the pits??

[FirstnameLastname]

I was wondering that too. How can a team go from doing 3 second pitstops to doing 30+ second ones?! They using folk on work experience?

[FirstnameLastname]

Googled it and found this neat video from THE RACE

https://youtu.be/nE-...iUsNpR1rC48QUQX

[Exumer]

Bad luck for Valterri with the engine failure, could have gotten his first point this season. 

[LolaB0860]

This entire team is terrible right now. Even Renault has surpassed them.

 

Bottas qualifies pretty well but it doesn't matter as he almost always loses places at the start and after that if it's not the mediocre pace that dooms him, it's bad reliability, awful pit stops or making contact

 

Zhou is just there doing something invisible, making DRS passes for 13th or 14th place before strategy or pit stops or engine or gearbox also doom him

Edited by LolaB0860, 21 April 2024 - 14:39.