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[BRG]

 

Williams have weathered some tough many years under poor management, they are still standing and will enter 2025 confident that the worst is behind them.

Maybe that management wasn't so bad after all if the team survived where quite a few others fell by the wayside.

[OvDrone]

I am absolutely adoring Sainz's attitude. He could've sulked or just shrugged at his situation, keeping his focus on an escape to a top team. 

Not only has he been stellar and clear class at the end with Ferrari but now also is displaying true motivation and maturity in bringing the team and him back to where they belong. Grew a lot in my eyes and I'll be supporting this fully next seasons. First time I'll do this with a Williams driver since Webber. 

[Alfisti]

Funny, Sainz does have a bit the Webber's about him. Square jaw, great hair, men amongst boys just looking at them and a certain "get it done" attitude. Sainz probably the better tyre wear/spatial awareness guy, Mark (at the same age Carlos is now) likely quicker over a lap. I am watching 2002 through 2008 on F1TV and Mark popped his head up in the top 5 or 6 with some seriously dusty cars but he ate his rears. 

[KWSN - DSM]

Maybe that management wasn't so bad after all if the team survived where quite a few others fell by the wayside.

 

The upper management were always bad, however having a very well functioning technical department glossed that over, while the very strong drivers delivered their part - Management then proceeded to driver most of the good drivers away, and annoy the team out of several very strong manufacturer hookups.

 

In short Frank Williams were never a good Manager.

[Anderis]

The upper management were always bad, however having a very well functioning technical department glossed that over

The very same technical department that the management put in place?

 

[KWSN - DSM]

The very same technical department that the management put in place?

 

 

Patrick Head did that.

 

We should not continue Williams 2024 thread to be a continued discussion and disagreement over Frank Williams perceived greatness or no greatness at all, so I back of in here.

[Beri]

The upper management were always bad, however having a very well functioning technical department glossed that over, while the very strong drivers delivered their part - Management then proceeded to driver most of the good drivers away, and annoy the team out of several very strong manufacturer hookups.

 

In short Frank Williams were never a good Manager.

 

We went from (lets start with him) Jones, to Rosberg Sr., to Mansell, to Piquet, to some years of mediocrity, to Mansell again, to Prost (!!!), to Senna (!!!!!!!), to sadly Hill having to pull his weight because of reasons outside of managements control. Then we proceeded with Villeneuve getting rightfully the preference over an ageing Hill, then we got again some years of meh, then Montoya before Rosberg Jr. and then.. it was done. The last good line up that was instated under Sir Frank was Barrichello and Maldonado. Two good drivers. But one at the end of his career and one crash prone. But good drivers none the less. Everything after was to survive before Claire got her hand on Massa and Bottas and that was it. No good line up after, till Sainz and Albon. But that already was not under Sir Franks management. So I dare to argue that despite Sir Frank cutting corners his way and the fact that he was an absolute bumhole to deal with, he managed all the mentioned before. So I cant say I agree.

[Zippel]

We went from (lets start with him) Jones, to Rosberg Sr., to Mansell, to Piquet, to some years of mediocrity, to Mansell again, to Prost (!!!), to Senna (!!!!!!!), to sadly Hill having to pull his weight because of reasons outside of managements control. Then we proceeded with Villeneuve getting rightfully the preference over an ageing Hill, then we got again some years of meh, then Montoya before Rosberg Jr. and then.. it was done. The last good line up that was instated under Sir Frank was Barrichello and Maldonado. Two good drivers. But one at the end of his career and one crash prone. But good drivers none the less. Everything after was to survive before Claire got her hand on Massa and Bottas and that was it. No good line up after, till Sainz and Albon. But that already was not under Sir Franks management. So I dare to argue that despite Sir Frank cutting corners his way and the fact that he was an absolute bumhole to deal with, he managed all the mentioned before. So I cant say I agree.

 

The treatment of Hill was precisely why Williams went into years of "meh" as they lost Newey in the process.