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[Clrnc]

Most drivers still call them Alpha Tauri in the team radios haha

[Laster]

Good performance today by both drivers. Yuki had a terrible sprint but he made up for it today in the wet. Great qualifying performance and had race control not gone for a safety car when it was wet tyre conditions and others were persisting with the inters, Tsunoda would have been on course to lead. That said when the rain came down heavier on the inters he seemed to struggle more, losing a place to Ocon just before the VSC and two more to Piastri and Leclerc on the restart. 7th is still a good result (provided nothing comes of the investigation) but it could have been more.

Lawson also drove a good race, he seemed to be about 3 tenths off Yuki's pace during the race, but he defended his position well against Perez and Hamilton. Points is another good result especially when Alpine banked big today. They need to get a couple more results, they really don't deserve to beaten by Alpine considering their respective seasons.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Tsunoda was impressive today, the qualifying performance and then running in 3rd for a while, it would’ve been interesting to see how the race would’ve unfolded had the SC not come out as he was the highest placed driver on the wets when it was raining harder.

Either way Yuki showed that he wouldn’t embarrass himself like Perez did today in the same car that finished in P1.

[MikeTekRacing]

If Lawson would have jumped out or Perez’s way like he did with Max maybe Norris was in reach for Checo.
He decides to bump wheels with a RB again. Surely that will go well with management

[TomNokoe]

Great job by Lawson considering his inexperience.

[RaceBoyer]

I'm guessing that most people don't think Dan is good enough for F1 anymore and was correctly dropped, but then in fairness to Dan, he was matching Yuki over his last 8 or so races, (even though Yuki edged it over their period together as a whole, most of that came from early on and not recently). Therefore if on recent evidence Yuki is only as good as Dan, this would then imply that Yuki also isn't good enough for F1, and is perhaps only being kept on because he is cheap and also helps offer up a benchmark for Lawson.

 

So if we can infer that Yuki is not good enough to be in F1 anymore and is simply marking time, then if Lawson is truly any good, he needs to be comfortably beating Yuki, (not just tying with him or edging it slightly). However if anything Yuki is still edging things between the two, which means that Lawson is only really as 'good' as Dan.

 

Thoughts?

[balage06]

Thoughts?

 

It's all a matter of perspective. I could say that in his second wet race ever, he beat both Hamilton and Perez in better cars, while the other stand-ins were a bit all over the place today. 

 

His pace was not great, that's for sure, but then again, he was on the sidelines for more than a year and he joined the grid very late in the season, the circumstances are definitely not favoring him. Yuki had the upper hand today, but it is kinda expected in such difficult conditions with almost 4 complete seasons under his belt.

[RaceBoyer]

It's all a matter of perspective. I could say that in his second wet race ever, he beat both Hamilton and Perez in better cars, while the other stand-ins were a bit all over the place today. 

 

His pace was not great, that's for sure, but then again, he was on the sidelines for more than a year and he joined the grid very late in the season, the circumstances are definitely not favoring him. Yuki had the upper hand today, but it is kinda expected in such difficult conditions with almost 4 complete seasons under his belt.

Perez doesn't count because... Perez, and I think we can all safely say that today Hamilton had a shocker, and it was more Hamilton performing poorly that put him behind Lawson, (and Yuki, and most likely Dan if he was still racing).

[baddog]

Yeah I dont think anyone can really criticise Lawson today, the other rookieish drivers were a disaster and he both kept it clean and competed.

[RaceBoyer]

Yeah I dont think anyone can really criticise Lawson today, the other rookieish drivers were a disaster and he both kept it clean and competed.

No, but they can criticise him on aggregate as a whole, if he needs to be clearly outshining Tsunoda, rather than just following him home.

[baddog]

No, but they can criticise him on aggregate as a whole, if he needs to be clearly outshining Tsunoda, rather than just following him home.

 

I think on a weekend like this then it is more than fine. Overall he needs to establish the credentials to be better yes.

[dave34m]

No, but they can criticise him on aggregate as a whole, if he needs to be clearly outshining Tsunoda, rather than just following him home.

Oh come on man, he has come into the team with a handful of races to go in the season against a teammate who is in his 4th year in F1, plus Yuki has all year to get familiar with this car. He has performed very well, good on him.

 

That said he does need to stop the physical contact with Perez, hard racing is one thing but when you are actually damaging a sister teams car it isn't going to go down well with the bosses.

[BRG]

That said he does need to stop the physical contact with Perez, hard racing is one thing but when you are actually damaging a sister teams car it isn't going to go down well with the bosses.

Lawson needs to get a grip.  He shouldn't be messing with back-markers like Perez.

[KWSN - DSM]

Lawson should try to complete a race without tangling with other cars, will score more points over his career if adjust his racecraft accordingly.

[RaceBoyer]

Oh come on man, he has come into the team with a handful of races to go in the season against a teammate who is in his 4th year in F1, plus Yuki has all year to get familiar with this car. He has performed very well, good on him.

The same thing was said about Dan a year ago, save for Yuki being in his 3rd year at that point of course. The excuses are already out I see, and it's rare for a driver to actually turn things around once those kind of excuses come out.

[expert]

Yuki had a great Sunday, one of the best I've seen from him.  Fast, consistent and mistake free.  Was unlucky not to finish higher due to the timing of the red flag.

 

Lawson had a very solid race, top 10 again and great defence over the last 10-15 laps, but clearly didn't match the pace of Yuki in the wet.  Worth remembering he was much faster in the dry and performed well in the sprint. 

 

So both drivers can feel good about their weekends I think.

[expert]

No, but they can criticise him on aggregate as a whole, if he needs to be clearly outshining Tsunoda, rather than just following him home.

Since when did he need to be outshining Yuki?

 

If Red Bull is forced to get rid of Perez then the sensible thing is to promote the experienced driver, Yuki.  Lawson deserves a full uninterrupted season in "Racing Bulls" next year IMO. 

[expert]

* I'm aware of the buzz about Colapinto replacing Perez in RBR, which seems to be tied to sponsorship deals.  In which case again Lawson doesn't need to worry, he's doing enough to retain his current seat at the moment and can have a full season opposite Yuki.    Sucks for Hadjar though maybe.

Edited by expert, 04 November 2024 - 22:32.

[RaceBoyer]

Since when did he need to be outshining Yuki?

 

When I said this:

 

''I'm guessing that most people don't think Dan is good enough for F1 anymore and was correctly dropped, but then in fairness to Dan, he was matching Yuki over his last 8 or so races, (even though Yuki edged it over their period together as a whole, most of that came from early on and not recently). Therefore if on recent evidence Yuki is only as good as Dan, this would then imply that Yuki also isn't good enough for F1, and is perhaps only being kept on because he is cheap and also helps offer up a benchmark for Lawson.

 

So if we can infer that Yuki is not good enough to be in F1 anymore and is simply marking time, then if Lawson is truly any good, he needs to be comfortably beating Yuki, (not just tying with him or edging it slightly). However if anything Yuki is still edging things between the two, which means that Lawson is only really as 'good' as Dan.

 

Thoughts?''

 

To make sense of this, it looks like Lawson needs to be comfortably beating Yuki for Lawson to be considered a potential generational talent or at least one of the two tiers below that. If he's three or more tiers below that, then he's blocking a seat for a new potential generational talent. F1 isn't in the charity business and Lawson needs to pull up trees or go home. The same for Yuki I might add, but obviously he's more than had his chance. Lawson still has time but he hasn't really put in a ''wow'' performance yet, he's been comfortably mediocre and that's not what we're here for.

[expert]

Ok, then I guess the core flaw I see in that hypothesis then is that "Yuki is not good enough to be in F1 anymore".   I think yesterday showed that pretty clearly to be false.

 

 

But ok then, I see where you're coming from at least.

[RaceBoyer]

* I'm aware of the buzz about Colapinto replacing Perez in RBR, which seems to be tied to sponsorship deals.  In which case again Lawson doesn't need to worry, he's doing enough to retain his current seat at the moment and can have a full season opposite Yuki.    Sucks for Hadjar though maybe.

Yeah, Lawson probably doesn't need to worry about his RB Junior seat for next year, and if that is the limit of his ambitions then that is fine, but if he hopes to ever challenge for the World Championship he does need to worry about his seeming lack of elite pace, otherwise his career will not go much further than a K-Mag style journeyman at best, and that's if he gets additional lucky breaks like K-Mag got. If he's unlucky he will just be the next Jolyon Palmer or Brandon Hartley.

[RaceBoyer]

Ok, then I guess the core flaw I see in that hypothesis then is that "Yuki is not good enough to be in F1 anymore".   I think yesterday showed that pretty clearly to be false.

 

 

But ok then, I see where you're coming from at least.

Yesterday showed that to be false, but many other races recently showed that to be true. Are we going by a freak wet race or should we actually look at his normal level, which is very close to Dan?

[expert]

Interestingly, here was Horners take:

 

“Sergio Perez is our current driver,” he stated. “Liam Lawson did a super job again today, and Yuki [Tsunoda]. Liam, particularly, considering his experience.

“Franco is another talent. So, of course, you’re always keeping an eye on the market of how things are developing.”

 

https://www.motorspo...zs-f1-position/

 

I found it odd that Yuki was mentioned almost as an after thought despite his performance.

 

“Sergio Perez is our current driver” reeks of the kind of "Yes this person worked here once" type of job reference

[RaceBoyer]

Interestingly, here was Horners take:

 

https://www.motorspo...zs-f1-position/

 

I found it odd that Yuki was mentioned almost as an after thought despite his performance.

 

“Sergio Perez is our current driver” reeks of the kind of "Yes this person worked here once" type of job reference

It sounds like he thinks Yuki isn't good enough, which makes sense because he was only marginally better than Dan who got dropped.

[Earthling]

Great job by Lawson considering his inexperience.

 

What inexperience?
Surely he didnt start single seater racing in 2024.

[Counterbalance]

I see Lawson is getting his knickers in a twist. He should probably have read up a bit more before coming out with this comment:

[FNG]

McLaren is Kiwi about as much as I am. Odd statement.

[Collombin]

I believe they were always run from the UK and on a British licence (they are shown as British in the oldest FIA yearbook in my possession). After the Project Four merger, it became even more so as the team under Ron was more Project Four than McLaren although I'm glad they kept the name alive, a fitting tribute to the remarkable and definitely Kiwi Bruce McLaren.
But I'm sure Liam knows all this.

Edited by Collombin, 19 November 2024 - 23:22.

[MikeTekRacing]

I see Lawson is getting his knickers in a twist. He should probably have read up a bit more before coming out with this comment:

Red Bull is not based out of UK. Red Bull Racing is UK-based but Red Bull still has am Austrian HQ and even an Austrian track.
Is there any Mclaren entity still tied to New Zeeland?

Edited by MikeTekRacing, Yesterday, 02:08.

[Zippel]

Its up to the owners what nationality they want to designate their team. I recall Benetton were registered as a UK operation up until 1996 when they swapped to Italy, despite still being based out of Enstone.

[expert]

Is there any Mclaren entity still tied to New Zeeland?

Well clearly Lawson's ultimate career goal is to become team principal of Mclaren, so there's that. 

[expert]

This isn't even the first pod cast this has come up on, it's all James Blair's fault https://youtu.be/3YWq1AJ3EzQ?t=1135

[BRG]

The very first base of the McLaren team was in New Malden, Surrey, where I grew up.  So apparently it must be in New Zealand and I am now a Kiwi.  

[KWSN - DSM]

The very first base of the McLaren team was in New Malden, Surrey, where I grew up.  So apparently it must be in New Zealand and I am now a Kiwi.  

 

G'dai mate