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#1 Rupertlt1

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Posted 14 January 2024 - 16:15

A thread to document the umpteen events held at Goodwood, other than circuit racing:

 

GOODWOOD DRIVING TESTS, B.A.R.C. (S.E. Centre), Sunday 14th July 1963

"This annual event qualifying for the Association

of Central Southern Motor Clubs Driving Tests Championships."

RESULTS

B.T.D.: Ron Randall (M.G. Midget), Best

Chichester M.C. Member: P. Musgrave (T.M.S.

II). Best Club Team: M.G.C.C. (S.E. Centre)—

R. Randall, J. Dunton and J. A. Calton (M.G.

Midgets). Best Lady Driver: Mrs. Valerie Davi-

son (Austin-Healey Sprite). Minis: 1. G. D.

Lindley; 2. J. Harnett, Cooper-Minis: 1. R. G.

Clear; 2. M. Robinson. Saloons up to 1,100 c.c.:

1. K. J. W. Ballamy (Saab); 2. J. Gillham

(Triumph Herald). 1,101-1,400 c.c.: F. L.

Bishop (Ford 100E). 1,401-2,000 c.c.: D. Grayson

(Ford Cortina G.T.). Sports Cars up to 1,000 c.c.:

1. P. Mann (Austin-Healey Sprite); 2. D. A. West

(Austin-Healey Sprite). 1,101-1,400 c.c.: 1. D. A.

Beare (Austin-Healey Sprite s/c); 2. J. Dunton

(M.G. Midget). Over 1,400 c.c.: H. Clarke (Sunbeam

Alpine). Specials: P. G. Musgrave (T.M.S. II).

Autosport, 19 July 1963, Page 104

 

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#2 RS2000

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Posted 17 January 2024 - 22:19

During my "Speed Event period" there were  massive numbers of Sprints at Goodwood. I probably have results for a couple, the first of which I did just to be able to say "I once competed at Goodwood". The second was a round of a cross-regional championship in which any odd point was worth chasing. 

The ACSMC Speed Championship had become one in which only a Goodwood specialist could do well - for the simple reason that at that time there were hardly any other venues in that region. To even consider entering meant changing the diff of my hill climb Escort from 4.7 to 3.5. This made 1st ludicrously high in the mandatory 4 speed box and probably lost more at the start than it gained in top speed. Embarrassment was complete when I watched the bonnet (pinned down at the front) bulge more and more with air build up as I proceeded down Lavant straight at a much higher speed than the car had ever reached before and nearly drag its rear edge from under the clips.

No, I didn't enter again and I swear to this day that I made Madgwick a 3 apex corner...



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Posted 18 January 2024 - 10:13

Goodwood was the venue for my sprint heroics - such as they were - during the same period, the interregnum between ceasing and re-starting racing there.  I used my Escort GT (I remember spinning it at Woodcote which was exciting once I realised that I wasn't going to hit the wall) and also ran in a RX7 and an Elan.  There were also many single venue rallies held there in that period.  I was involved in both sprints and rallies on the organisational side.  I think my club was the first to get MSA approval for runs over 2 laps at sprints. 


Edited by BRG, 18 January 2024 - 10:13.


#4 Rupertlt1

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Posted 18 January 2024 - 10:28

Goodwood was the venue for my sprint heroics - such as they were - during the same period, the interregnum between ceasing and re-starting racing there.  I used my Escort GT (I remember spinning it at Woodcote which was exciting once I realised that I wasn't going to hit the wall) and also ran in a RX7 and an Elan.  There were also many single venue rallies held there in that period.  I was involved in both sprints and rallies on the organisational side.  I think my club was the first to get MSA approval for runs over 2 laps at sprints. 

 

What was your club?

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#5 BRG

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Posted 18 January 2024 - 10:55

That was Hampton and District MC, but I was also involved in events there with my Sutton and Cheam MC hat on.  

 

Other clubs running events there included Bognor Regis, Cosmo, Farnborough, Maidstone and MidKent, Borough 18....I can't remember them all!



#6 RS2000

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Posted 18 January 2024 - 17:02

I think Bognor Regis MC organised one of the events I did and were inviting sprint competitors at signing on to also sign a petition for the re-introduction of racing. This of course was like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas and some of the organisers seemed unaware of what would then become of sprints there. The reality that sprints wouldn't happen anymore anyway because the alternative was a large gravel pit wasn't obvious then...



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Posted 18 January 2024 - 19:34

The VSCC ran a sprint at Goodwood for many years the last being 2016. In the later years, entry numbers weren't that good with it being considered a long way from home for many particularly as it ran late in the year. It was also a bit 'squeeky bum' time for VSCC type cars. I recall one comment from an experienced and very competitive racer - 'You sit there with your foot planted waiting for the bang!!'

 

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#8 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 19 January 2024 - 12:24

My one visit in 17 had a series of cars doing testing and rides. Like many of my detours I saw the sign and followed it.



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Posted 19 January 2024 - 16:47

When I lived in Sussex Goodwood was of course my 'local' circuit. I had my first run there on an Alfa Romeo Owners Club "Practice Day" - although it was timed, and each run was three laps. I was there primarily to assist a friend who was 'running in' his Modsports Porsche 911, but found that a temporary membership was available for the day ! There were two other Porsches present, and I am afraid they, and my 100% standard BMW 2002Tii , rather embarrassed a few Alfa owners. But they were very good about it !!

 

Having dived into my memories cupboard, I have put together a list (from Results) of sprints at Goodwood that I entered, but I know I did a lot more than this list. In the early '80s there seemed to be a sprint there almost every other weekend:-

 

May 4th    1980     London Car Club

May 18th  1980     Brighton & Hove MC

June 8th   1980     Jaguar Drivers Club

April 5th    1981     Brighton & Hove MC

April  12th 1981     Sutton & Cheam MC

April 26th  1981     Croydon & District MC

Aug 9th     1981     Bognor Regis MC

Aug 23rd   1981     Surrey Sporting MC with the Reliant Sabre Scimitar Owners Club

May 20th   1984     Brighton & Hove MC

Sept 8th    1985     Brighton & Hove MC with the Allard Owners Club and Sussex Car Club

 

For all the '80 / '81 events I would have been in the Tii, the last two '84 / '85 in a Capri 3.0 Mk.2

 

Happy Days !


Edited by marksixman, 20 January 2024 - 14:46.


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Posted 19 January 2024 - 20:17

Given that Goodwood is limited to five racing days these days, how strict were the noise restrictions ?

#11 marksixman

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Posted 19 January 2024 - 21:05

Given that Goodwood is limited to five racing days these days, how strict were the noise restrictions ?

Can't remember the exact decibel limit at that time, but I may have some entry forms / regs that quote a figure. Back into the cupboard tomorrow then !!

 

Certainly every car was checked at scrutineering, and I do recall some competitors rushing off into Chichester to try and find an exhaust centre - not so easy in those days if it was a Sunday ! I have also witnessed some very hot and angry looking balls of wire wool making a bid for freedom from the tailpipe into which they may have been stuffed !!



#12 Stephen W

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Posted 20 January 2024 - 08:31

I only competed the once at Goodwood (4th September 1994 - BARC Speed Championship round) but I did visit again for another sprint in 2005.



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Posted 20 January 2024 - 08:33

Given that Goodwood is limited to five racing days these days, how strict were the noise restrictions ?

 

Goodwood circuit is limited to FIVE NOISEY DAYS per annum. It still runs sprints and trackdays which have very strict noise restrictions including static and drive-by monitoring. 



#14 Rupertlt1

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Posted 20 January 2024 - 08:43

Guild of Motoring Writers test day, Goodwood, Sunday 31 October 1948 

They tried

our cars

By Thomas H. Wisdom

Sixteen motoring journalists

from 14 countries yesterday

tried out 26 new British models

from the Motor Show at Good-

wood racecourse.

The event was organised by the

Guild of Motoring Writers, to

whose annual dinner last night

Mr. Harold Wilson, President of

the Board of Trade, wired:

"I am sure that this demonstra-

tion will once again prove to our

overseas friends that British cars

remain unsurpassed in quality,

design and performance alike."

Delighted

Motor manufacturers were also

delighted with the experiment.

Mr. Peer Gretland, editor of

Motorliv, of Oslo, Norway said:

"I have driven every one of the

cars today and I return to Norway

with a notebook filled with per-

formance figures which will fill my

paper for weeks to come."

Two Belgian journalists flew

from Brussels for the demonstra-

tion.

Daily Herald, Monday 1 November 1948, Page 3

 

The above event ran for many years up into the 1960s. When did it cease?

Update: ran 1966.

The Guild of Motoring Writers had a chalet at Goodwood, which was their HQ.

Does it survive? Are there any photographs?

See also ref Brooklands gates:

https://forums.autos...8#entry10481071

(There had been a ten-year gap in holding the London Motor Show.)

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 25 January 2024 - 16:06.


#15 BRG

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Posted 20 January 2024 - 10:49

Given that Goodwood is limited to five racing days these days, how strict were the noise restrictions ?

Pretty strict, given an ongoing dispute with some of the new home owners in Lavant village. The circuit operated a noise meter throughout events and offenders got one chance to quieten their vehicles or leave.  The general rule was that all cars had to be silenced and single seaters were not permitted, although there was a racing school during the week which used F. Fords with silencers.

 

The main noise generator was the helicopter flying school which persisted in doing very loud hovering exercises over the back of the airfield - nearest to the housing - but the car noise was an easier target.  I was told this by a council environmental health inspector who turned up during a meeting. He was not unsympathetic, being clearly a bit exasperated with the protestors.  When MG Metro 6R4s appeared on rallies, they were always a problem, as their owners seemed to be rather entitled and felt that noise restrictions shouldn't apply to them.  They soon found out they were wrong.


Edited by BRG, 20 January 2024 - 10:49.


#16 marksixman

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Posted 20 January 2024 - 15:27

Given that Goodwood is limited to five racing days these days, how strict were the noise restrictions ?

Have had a look for entry forms / regs, but no luck. I do have a registration form for the ASEMC Speed Championship 1982, and it states that "all cars competing ...... shall be fitted with silencers such that noise level is reduced in accordance with RAC MSA requirements for competitors off the public highway (Vehicle Regs QA 16-17)". My 'Blue Book' for the period is long gone, so I can't quote a decibel limit, but as others have stated there were static tests at scrutineering and drive-by tests during events.

 

Pretty strict, given an ongoing dispute with some of the new home owners in Lavant village.

My recollection is that, at that time (late '70s / early '80s) the main noise objections were from the Summersdale and Graylingwell areas of Chichester, where most of the residential building had of course occurred well after the first racing at the circuit. But, of course, that situation is nothing new for motoring events anywhere today !!

 

I do remember the driver of a Porsche race car I was spannering being asked once during a test session (around the same era), although we had JUST passed the static noise test, to "lift off a bit through Fordwater and St Marys, for the locals" !!



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Posted 22 January 2024 - 07:56

Translation from Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Number 2311, 31 October 1950

The “Test Day” at Goodwood

A useful event that has been taking place for

three years in conjunction with the Inter-

national Motor Show in London

is the “Test Day” at Goodwood. A

small race track has been built on the no longer used Good-

wood airfield in southern England, where a race track

was created, where reporters, one at a time, on a Sunday get

the opportunity to get to know the latest models from English

automobile manufacturing better.

One of the most interesting experiences

this year was the “reunion” with the extremely

spirited Sunbeam, which — as mentioned

elsewhere — replaced the previously rigid front axle with

an independent front wheel suspension based on the Humber “Hawk”

system (two triangular wishbones + coil spring), the increased

displacement of the engine with

enlarged valves from 2.0 l to 2.3 l. The driving characteristics

have improved so much that this car is now finally in the top class.

The steering has become completely smooth and the suspension is softer

than before to the extent that the sporty character of this car allows.

Driving quickly around curves is downright a pleasure for the sporty driver.

Another lasting experience was the trip with the Allard guys,

who are less well known in Switzerland. Ford

engines are used for the drive (Mercury), the performance

of which has been increased through light metal cylinder heads and other

measures. A Cadillac engine could be seen in Allard's sports car.

What is impressive about these models is not only the large engine power

available to the driver, but even more so the excellent cornering ability

and the quiet behavior of the car at high speeds.

Theoretically, the strange design of the front axle (strictly

speaking, it is a pendulum axle) should give rise to concerns,

but in this short test it gave rise to no complaints, on the contrary.

The rear axle is designed as a De Dion axle, which probably

contributes significantly to the excellent road holding.

Only the visibility, which is noticeably impaired by

the high, overly bulky bonnet, could be better.

The “Jupiter”, a racy sports car based on the Jowett

Javelin, also has exceptionally good road holding.

Its frame, welded from straight pieces of tubing,

proves to be absolutely rigid even under strong road impacts,

which cannot be said of all English

sports cars. The suspension seems a bit hard at low speeds,

but the car only seems to “feel comfortable” at higher speeds.

The cornering position also meets the highest demands.

Judging by feel, the acceleration is excellent,

but over time it will certainly be possible to conjure up

even more horsepower into this engine (currently 60 horsepower).

It would go too far at this point to go into all the cars

that were made available for testing purposes at Goodwood. But

one thing should still be pointed out, namely the remarkably good brakes

on all test vehicles, especially on the fast and heavy ones.

A soft grip, not prone to blocking, and achieving a strong braking effect

with relatively little effort, they reflected the high level that

automobile construction has achieved in certain areas today.

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 22 January 2024 - 07:58.


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Posted 22 January 2024 - 13:15

SHOW GOES RACING

Visitors like our latest cars

By THOMAS WISDOM, GOODWOOD, Sussex, Sunday

"THE Motor Show went to the races today when 33 of

the latest British cars, from Rolls to smallest

baby, were tried out by journalists of 20 nations.

Motor Show Test Day, held for

the first time last year, org-

anised by the Guild of Motoring

Writers whose vice-president, the

Duke of Richmond and Gordon,

owns Goodwood.

After testing the new cars all

day, experts from Switzerland,

Belgium, France, Holland, India,

South Africa and the United

States were all most impressed.

Only Casualty

Mr. Robert Braunschweig, the

editor of Automobile Review, of

Berne, spoke for all of them when

he said:

"The British manufacturer has

done a magnificent job and these

should sell well abroad. I

know they will in Switzerland."

Fastest car on the 2.8-mile road

course was the Jaguar two-seater,

which clocked more than 100

m.p.h on the short straight, most

expensive, the beautiful Daimler

limousine which costs over £6,000,

and the leading economy car, the

famous little Morris eight.

Only casualty in more than

6,000 miles of high-speed motoring

was one hare.

Daily Herald, Monday 3 October 1949, Page 3

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 26 January 2024 - 11:48.


#19 Rupertlt1

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Posted 26 January 2024 - 10:42

In 1949 Tommy Wisdom was serving his second year as Chairman of the Guild of Motoring Writers.

As we have seen vice-president at that time was the Duke of Richmond and Gordon.

The annual test day at Goodwood ran 1948-1966.

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 26 January 2024 - 11:26.


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Posted 16 November 2024 - 05:34

Goodwood sprint meeting, B.A.R.C. (S.E. Centre), Saturday 20th June 1964

The fastest time was set up by

J. E. Manfield in a Lotus 23,

who covered the 1,850 yards in

61.12 seconds.

https://www.racingsp...anfield-GB.html

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#21 Doug Nye

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Posted 19 November 2024 - 19:41

The Motor Show Test Days at Goodwood were largely, if not entirely, organised by the Guild of Motoring Writers, of which I have been a member since around 1965.  The Guild itself had begun as the national press Motoring Correspondents Circle, a gin, giggle and extended luncheon body founded in October 1944.

 

See here:

 

https://www.gomw.co.uk/about/history/

 

The photo of the 1967 Test Day there is from Goodwood.  

 

I attended the 1964-65-66-67 Days - if I recall correctly.  Jaguar had an expensive time there, at least two E-Types being comprehensively bent by 'Guild of Muttering Rotters' members - who in numerous cases displayed far more self-belief than either experience or capability.  I think the Test Day was taken to Silverstone later on - where an Iso Rivolta or somesuch Italian exotic was written-off at Stowe Corner by good old Mike Twite (who really could drive) Editor of 'Motoring News' - before, as the website states, being taken over by the SMMT and moved to Millbrook.

 

If anyone's interested I could post some pix of Goodwood Test Days - but for anyone interested in REAL racing cars the production grey porridge being cornered on its door handles there is pretty dull fare...  The most exciting sight I remember is of Paul Frere hurtling round in something like a Van den Plas Princess R.  Remember them?  Once experienced...instantly forgotten...

 

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#22 BRG

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Posted Yesterday, 12:14

...where an Iso Rivolta or some such Italian exotic was written-off at Stowe Corner by good old Mike Twite (who really could drive) Editor of 'Motoring News'

To take the thread down a TNF rabbit-hole, I recall that many moons ago when I used to blag a press pass for major events through a mate at BBC World Service, I was in the Press Box at Brands HAtch and took delight in sitting in Mike's seat which had his name plate on it.  I believe he was Editor of Car magazine at that time.  He sadly lost his life in a plane crash in 1984.

 

Why the delight?  Because we share the same comparatively rare surname - in the halcyon days of the national telephone directory when most people were listed, there were only some 80 subscribers of that name in the entire UK,  three of which were me, my brother and our parents.  So Mike was probably a distant cousin, several times removed whatever that means, although I never actually met him. But in retrospect, it might explain why, when I applied to Motoring News for a reporter post, I got a very kind phone call from (I think) Quentin Spurring who gently persuaded me against the idea.  Maybe the name rang bells there...

 

And back to Goodwood....



#23 Collombin

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Posted Yesterday, 12:19

So Mike was probably a distant cousin, several times removed whatever that means


Removed refers to different generation levels, so if there wasn't a huge age difference then you're unlikely to have been removed more than once or twice. You might however have been a seventh or eighth cousin or whatever, which refers to how far back in the family you have to go to find a common ancestor.

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#24 Tim Murray

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Posted Yesterday, 12:54

So Mike was probably a distant cousin, several times removed whatever that means


A good example with a motor sport link: Sir Henry ‘Tim’ Birkin and the actress Jane Birkin. They had a common ancestor in Sir Thomas Isaac Birkin, first baronet. Two of his grandsons were Tim and David, Jane’s father. So Tim and David were first cousins, while Tim and Jane were first cousins once removed.

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Posted Yesterday, 14:09

Poor Mike Twite died in the crash of Vickers Varsity T1 G-BDFT at Marchington, near Uttoxeter, on August 19, 1984. He was one of nine passengers and two crew who died in the incident, from which only three other passengers emerged alive, though badly injured.  Mike had moved on from 'Motoring News' and had founded 'FlyPast' magazine, indulging his longtime parallel interest in aviation.  The ex-RAF training twin-engined Varsity had been built in 1952 and had been in private hands since 1975.  Its operator at the time of the 1984 accident was the Leicester Aircraft Preservation Group, its owners apparently the two pilots, who were Trustees of the Group which had secured its latest Permit to Fly only two days before the fatal flight.  

 

Their plan had been to attend an airshow at Liverpool Airport (Speke) on the afternoon of the 19th. That morning they took off from RAF Syerston, Northants, where the aircraft was hangared, for a short hop to East Midlands Airport, Castle Donington, where they fuelled for the Liverpool leg.

 

After take-off from EMA they formated with a Cessna camera plane for magazine photography, but during the process the Varsity's Hercules radial engines lost power. The experienced flight crew shut down the violently misfiring port engine, but then the starboard also faltered.  During approach to an attempted forced landing, the Varsity then rapidly lost air speed, finally stalling left-wing first and crashing, inverted and nose down. The major part of the wreckage burned furiously.

 

The three survivors were in rear-facing seats in the tail section, which broke off and fell into a drainage culvert.  A split fuel pump diaphragm was identified as the probable cause of the port engine problem, while short-circuiting of a time-deteriorated ignition magneto seemed a likely cause (unproven) of the starboard engine's difficulties.  The accident claimed 11 enthusiast lives - a sad day, indeed...

 

The full AAIB report can be found here: https://assets.publi...1986_G-BDFT.pdf

 

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#26 BRG

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Posted Yesterday, 17:33

Removed refers to different generation levels, so if there wasn't a huge age difference then you're unlikely to have been removed more than once or twice. You might however have been a seventh or eighth cousin or whatever, which refers to how far back in the family you have to go to find a common ancestor.

That's useful to know as it has always bemused me.  In this case, Mike was a bit older than me, so might be a "once removed" but what degree of cousinship is unknown.  My dad had never heard of him for what that is worth so seventh or eighth might be the case. 

 

Maybe he came from the Bury St Edmonds area of northern Suffolk where this cross-roads lies.

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#27 john aston

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Posted Today, 06:52

Unless the developer had an RSPB member in charge of street names ...



#28 BRG

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Posted Today, 09:29

Not unless he was also a local farmer!

 

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#29 Geoff E

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Posted Today, 11:28

Not unless he was also a local farmer!

 

 

 

The 1841 census has six households with the address "Twites Farm", none of them called Twite.



#30 BRG

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Posted Today, 15:17

The 1841 census has six households with the address "Twites Farm", none of them called Twite.

I imagine they are all in the East Anglia area as that seems to be where the name originates.



#31 Geoff E

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Posted Today, 15:32

I imagine they are all in the East Anglia area as that seems to be where the name originates.

 

They were all at the same place, presumably an array of cottages.



#32 BRG

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Posted Today, 16:40

They were all at the same place, presumably an array of cottages.

If that was at Great Saxham in Suffolk, then it is the same place.  There is also a Twite's Bridge and a Twite's Barn there.



#33 Geoff E

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Posted Today, 16:47

If that was at Great Saxham in Suffolk, then it is the same place.  There is also a Twite's Bridge and a Twite's Barn there.

 

Yes https://maps.nls.uk/...right=ESRIWorld



#34 BRG

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Posted Today, 17:07

If there were no Twites listed in the 1841 Census, the farm name must date from earlier than that.  Possibly the ancestral homeland of Mike and me!.