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[garoidb]

Engines surely mean something, depending on how close and not close to each other the engines are under 2026 regulations aero become paramount - Aero is the very reason Newey have build the career and CV that he has.

 

Personally I expect the engines coming out fairly close to each other.

 

If the engine seems a bit behind initially, how does that affect whatever drivers might be on the radar to eventually replace Fernando?

[kosmos]

Lance getting some beating on the press, I can't say he doesn't deserve a bit of criticism.

 

 

Guenther Steiner

 

https://www.planetf1...1-driver-theory

 

Timo Glock

https://www.speedwee...Lachnummer.html

[SophieB]

Molly Hudson@M0lly_Writes
​Breaking: It’s understood Dan Fallows Aston Martin’s technical director, is set to leave his role. Story with @JonathanMcEvoy7 More on @TimesSport soon

[Joseki]

https://www.astonmar...leadership-team

 

Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team announces change to technical leadership team.
Aston Martin Aramco and Technical Director Dan Fallows have today jointly announced that from November, Dan will no longer serve as Technical Director of the Formula One Team. Dan will remain with the Group.

Andy Cowell, Group CEO, said:
"I would like to thank Dan for his contribution to Aston Martin Aramco in the last two years. Dan led the team to the success of the AMR23 which secured eight podiums last season."

Dan Fallows said:
"In my time at Aston Martin, it has been a joy and a privilege to guide the technical team on their journey towards being race and championship winners.
"It is time for me to pass on the baton, but I look forward to watching the team's future success, which I am sure will come soon."

[blacky]

"Dan will remain with the Grup" means that he moves to Aston Martin Technologies, that he doesn't count for the cap anymore (like Green).

 

Well, I guess it will be hard for him, once his contract expires, to find a job again in the region of his current salary (rumours say that Stroll quadrupled his RBR salary).

 

The well informed spanish journalist Carlos Miquel says that there will be no short-term replacement, as Cardile and Newey will join the team anyway.

 

Piergiuseppe Donadoni (Formu1aUno) claims that there will be further changes in the technical department.

 

 

Obviously Newey could had step into the breach for Fallows. He didn't...

Edited by blacky, 12 November 2024 - 13:26.

[Joseki]

Multiple journalists are saying that the rumors of Fallows leaving AM date as far back as september

 

https://x.com/dr_obb...317490713821576

https://x.com/Jonath...317932675973592

[pacificquay]

Fallows essentially failed and with Newey coming in the writing was always on the wall

[Joseki]

https://www.bbc.com/...es/cgmvx314j1zo

 

BBC writes that Cowell decided to cut Fallows, Bob Bell will be the TD on a temporary basis until Newey and Cardile have decided what structure to give the team next year.

[jwill189]

What makes Newey so valuable is that he understands vehicle dynamics extremely well, as he's worked in many areas of car devleopment over the years to have a holistic mindset when designing a car. I question whether Fallows has the same depth of understanding as he was primarly an aerodynamicist before taking the role of technical director. The anti-dive suspension of the AMR23 was simply an idea that Fallows took with him from the previous Red Bull.

 

Every time Aston Martin bolted on aero upgrades that was supposed to gain points of downforce, it never worked as intended and upset the balance and handling of the car. Two years later, and Fallows was still lost.

Edited by jwill189, 12 November 2024 - 13:47.

[JordanIreland]

Lance getting some beating on the press, I can't say he doesn't deserve a bit of criticism.


Guenther Steiner

https://www.planetf1...1-driver-theory

Timo Glock
https://www.speedwee...Lachnummer.html

It’s extremely difficult to feel any sympathy for lance. The manner he conducts himself and especially at interviews is well below par.

Edited by JordanIreland, 12 November 2024 - 15:33.

[Nathan]

Surely he is waiting to be fired.

[kumo7]

https://www.bbc.com/...es/cgmvx314j1zo

 

BBC writes that Cowell decided to cut Fallows, Bob Bell will be the TD on a temporary basis until Newey and Cardile have decided what structure to give the team next year.

 

Merry go rond? 

 

Dan Fallows (might be) returning to Red Bull. He will love to beat Newey, together with the rest of the team...?

Edited by kumo7, 12 November 2024 - 14:19.

[Baddoer]

 

Dan Fallows (might be) returning to Red Bull. He will love to beat Newey, together with the rest of the team...?

He will be still here or thereabouts. I do assume Cowell just wants car development working as well-oiled mechanism. Right now it's all in tatters.

[kumo7]

He will be still here or thereabouts. I do assume Cowell just wants car development working as well-oiled mechanism. Right now it's all in tatters.

the pair do not even salute, i read…

Edited by kumo7, 12 November 2024 - 16:43.

[TheBigTicket123]

Smart to keep him in house even if in another role. You don't let good people go, even if he didn't necessarily deliver what was expected. Dude still good and you don't want him on another squad.

[FNG]

It’s extremely difficult to feel any sympathy for lance. The manner he conducts himself and especially at interviews is well below par.

 

 

This has always been my major complaint about Lance ( aside from his driving). His attitude. Saw a video clip of a press conference, not sure if it was the last race, but Hamilton was looking over at Lance's scowling face and you could see Hamilton smirking. He seemed amused at Lance sulking like a child.

 

Cheer up Lance. You are driving an F1 car for a living. Life is good.

[ARTGP]

This has always been my major complaint about Lance ( aside from his driving). His attitude. Saw a video clip of a press conference, not sure if it was the last race, but Hamilton was looking over at Lance's scowling face and you could see Hamilton smirking. He seemed amused at Lance sulking like a child.

 

Cheer up Lance. You are driving an F1 car for a living. Life is good.

 

It's possible that Lance doesn't want to do this anymore, but he doesn't want to disappoint his father who has gone to great lengths and with great expense to make this possible.  

[DJH63]

Smart to keep him in house even if in another role. You don't let good people go, even if he didn't necessarily deliver what was expected. Dude still good and you don't want him on another squad.

He will be gone long before the start of 2025

[RainyAfterlifeDaylight]

I guess the future of Dan Fallows rests on contractual talks and the next team that wants to buy him out of his current contract.

 

Perhaps the sole reason to announce Dan Fallows leaving Technical Director role is to inform other teams if they are interested to contact.

[garoidb]

I guess the future of Dan Fallows rests on contractual talks and the next team that wants to buy him out of his current contract.

 

Perhaps the sole reason to announce Dan Fallows leaving Technical Director role is to inform other teams if they are interested to contact.

 

Has he been occupying one of the three non-cost capped salaries and, if so, maybe they need that open again? You couldn't really keep someone in a holding pattern job while being one of the three exceptions to the cap.

Edited by garoidb, 12 November 2024 - 18:48.

[Gecko]

Merry go rond? 

 

Dan Fallows (might be) returning to Red Bull. He will love to beat Newey, together with the rest of the team...?

It does sound that Red Bull is trying to go for mediocrity hard these days, that would be another step in that direction

[blacky]

Has he been occupying one of the three non-cost capped salaries and, if so, maybe they need that open again? You couldn't really keep someone in a holding pattern job while being one of the three exceptions to the cap.

He is not part of the f1 team anymore, as announced by the team, so he doesn’t count for the cap anymore. Most likely he works for AM technologies now, as long as his contract goes.

[kumo7]

It does sound that Red Bull is trying to go for mediocrity hard these days, that would be another step in that direction

interesting. who else can RedBull get now?

[mhno1f]

This has always been my major complaint about Lance ( aside from his driving). His attitude. Saw a video clip of a press conference, not sure if it was the last race, but Hamilton was looking over at Lance's scowling face and you could see Hamilton smirking. He seemed amused at Lance sulking like a child.

 

Cheer up Lance. You are driving an F1 car for a living. Life is good.

Although to be fair to Lance, what F1 driver doesn't throw hissy fits. Hamilton can be one of the worse offenders. 

Maybe Lance appears worse than the others because he's always doing something daft, or is generally just useless!

[Secretariat]

It's possible that Lance doesn't want to do this anymore, but he doesn't want to disappoint his father who has gone to great lengths and with great expense to make this possible.  

 

Seems possible. Lawrence seems much more the motorsport enthusiast than Lance who often speaks about stick and ball sports. Obviously Lance has interest in motorsports or he would not have the length of career thus far. In the past I have likened Lawrence Stroll to Don Panoz, where motorsports/automobiles became a family business and dad really got into it vs. the son who had the interest in the first place but as time passed, seems less interested. 

 

Even I at this point think Lance should be doing something different, whatever that might be. He seems more aloof than usual which seems reflective in his performance before vs. after summer break including his unforced error with the gravel trap. Shame, as the physical talent is in there somewhere. 

[engineblock1]

Considering the trend of downgrades (aka upgrades) that got rolled out, i am mentally prepared to see Aston Martin linger at the bottom of midfield for 1st half 2025 at least (even fighting for P8-P10 in WCC doesnt sound so ridiculous suggestion). Hard luck for Dan but since first few races of 2023, there had been no positive delivery - Newey coming or not , he needed to go.

[taran]

I guess the future of Dan Fallows rests on contractual talks and the next team that wants to buy him out of his current contract.

 

Perhaps the sole reason to announce Dan Fallows leaving Technical Director role is to inform other teams if they are interested to contact.

 

It's unlikely that original contract is still valid since his job description has completely changed. Companies are not allowed to do that without the employee agreeing. Assuming Fallows is determined to stay in F1, he is now a free agent without Aston Martin ties to hold him back.

[blacky]

Michael Schmidt (AmuS) wrote an article about the AMR underfloor dilemma.

 

Most of the things are well known:

 

- there are 2 underfloor "families" in 2024

- they tried to combine the 2 families with the Austin floor

- as it is very expensive to bring a lot of floors to each track

- bouncing returned, instability in braking and accelerating

- turn in understeer, exit oversteer

- they lose up to 50% of the DF with turned wheels

- this was a long known problem but never that big as in Austin

 

- Engineers didn't have the balls to accept that their concept is wrong

- instead they developed wrong underfloor concepts only further

 

- Brazil with the bumps was bad for the car

- as the car has the 2nd lowest ground clearence next to Mercedes

 

- Engineers chase for peak DF numbers in the tunnel

- with the low ground clearence the working window is very small

- turned the car into a monster

 

- Last year only their launch floor really worked

- wind tunnel numbers worked also on track for the launch spec

- but with every floor update it got worse and worse

- They could not return to the launch floor for 2024 because they didn't find any more DF in development

 

- Schmidt says that there won't be a replacement for Fallows

- As Newey will join as the creativeguy and Cardile as the organizer of the technical department

Edited by blacky, 18 November 2024 - 12:18.

[TheBigTicket123]

In other words Bahrain-monaco23 was good everything else since was absolute trash and a waste of time chasing peak downforce like amateurs... How often in the last 20 years have we heard chasing peak downforce with small operating windows is a death spiral but hey let's do that

[ARTGP]

Michael Schmidt (AmuS) wrote an article about the AMR underfloor dilemma.

 

 

- Brazil with the bumps was bad for the car

- as the car has the 2nd lowest ground clearence next to Mercedes

 

- Engineers chase for peak DF numbers in the tunnel

- with the low ground clearence the working window is very small

- turned the car into a monster

 

 

Interesting. 

[taffer]

- Last year only their launch floor really worked
- wind tunnel numbers worked also on track for the launch spec
- but with every floor update it got worse and worse

Apparenty Alonso asked the team last year not to change anything on the car at least until Monaco had passed. Hindsight or just 'if ain't broke don't fix it', he was quite right it seems.

[KnucklesAgain]

 

- Brazil with the bumps was bad for the car

- as the car has the 2nd lowest ground clearence next to Mercedes

 

 

Surprised because I read that it was only because Alonso and Hamilton are old

[blacky]

Surprised because I read that it was only because Alonso and Hamilton are old

 

Well, they are in relation. Or would you say they have the back of a 25 year old driver? And it's further no surprise that they are even more punished if a car is sat up very stiff and low to the ground.