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[ARTGP]

I think the main thing going for your argument there is 'taking each other out'... but there is a long distance between purposefully and accidentally.  And there is still plenty of races left for that to happen with regards Sainz and Leclerc.  There is always an element of needle.  Even despite your list, I don't sense any great rivalry between Russell and Hamilton.  They appear to get on quite well, even if there are moments that stick in the minds of fans (and were somewhat down to the fault of the team).  And things like the articles listed below always offer a chance to blow up into something bigger if the stakes are much higher, such as a close championship fight.

 

https://www.autospor...track position.

https://www.autospor...-been/10493464/

https://www.autospor...fying/10451471/

 

Teammates don't take each other out purposefully. I never meant that. It was an accident of course, but these accidents come when the two drivers focus on their own battle instead of the team.

 

There's a difference between Ham/Russ and Lec/Sai and I think you know that. A couple of hot seat comments on the radio isn't really enough. Also, I'm not really sure how you don't perceive any great rivalry between Hamilton and Russell but I won't dwell on our differences in perception as if you don't see it already then I'm even less likely to be able to convince you. 

Edited by ARTGP, 01 April 2024 - 17:35.

[PayasYouRace]

They started 2022 in championship contention. Sainz and Leclerc are in the same position now that Hamilton and Russell are but without the conflict.

Hamilton and Russell in the last 2 years:

 

1) Taken each other out of a race

2) Silly moments like qualifying for Spain and Spa last year. 

3) Japan

4) PR/media battle about who was faster or slower, who was experimenting with setups more than the other, whose setup was better for the race after being outqualified, etc....

 

 

Lec/Sai rarely have had any drama on or off the track. It has been one of the most easy going pairings and I think that would continue even in another season where they compete for the championship. Each driver takes their losses on the chin and moves on to the next session. 

Struggling to think of what most of your list refers to. Perhaps you should elaborate?

[MKSixer]

To continue on race engineers theme, a few more questions.

 

To LH fans, do you think Bono is a great race engineer? Obviously they won a lot together but every time I hear about LH issues with setup or his experimenting during the race weekend, I wonder what role Bono plays in all of this? Surely one of the jobs of a great race engineer is to say to the driver that this is a wrong setup path or this is a risk isn't worth taking etc. and help the driver to find a good setup as soon as possible? I stumbled upon a clip on YouTube where LH reacts to the sound of V10, I believe its from Abu-Dhabi 2020 in which he also says that they tried different setup and it didn't work so the car didn't feel good. So those experiments were happening before 2022. 

 

To Ferrari fans, is Adami a great race engineer? He seem to work great with Carlos. Is he better than Leclerc's race engineer?

Don't know if we should discuss this here but I think Bono is an above average race engineer but certainly not a great one.  I think of great as Jock Clear or Rob Smedley (sp?)or similar.  Multiple top drivers helps and always cool under fire with the consistency of a metronome.  Boring.  I want my race engineer to be boring and knows when to tell the driver stfu and get on with it.

[Bliman]

They started 2022 in championship contention. Sainz and Leclerc are in the same position now that Hamilton and Russell are but without the conflict.

Hamilton and Russell in the last 2 years:

 

1) Taken each other out of a race

2) Silly moments like qualifying for Spain and Spa last year. 

3) Japan

4) PR/media battle about who was faster or slower, who was experimenting with setups more than the other, whose setup was better for the race after being outqualified, etc....

 

 

Lec/Sai rarely have had any drama on or off the track. It has been one of the most easy going pairings and I think that would continue even in another season where they compete for the championship. Each driver takes their losses on the chin and moves on to the next session. 

But Hamilton and Russell also are not in conflict. We also have seen that Sainz and Leclerc are not afraid to race each other. I bet if they really had a championship winning car that it would get bad very very quickly.

[P123]

Teammates don't take each other out purposefully. I never meant that. It was an accident of course, but these accidents come when the two drivers focus on their own battle instead of the team.

 

There's a difference between Ham/Russ and Lec/Sai and I think you know that. A couple of hot seat comments on the radio isn't really enough. Also, I'm not really sure how you don't perceive any great rivalry between Hamilton and Russell but I won't dwell on our differences in perception as if you don't see it already then I'm even less likely to be able to convince you. 

 

As I said, I think the only difference is No.1 on your list.  And when the stakes are much higher there is always the chance that small niggles, as noted in the links I posted, then turn into something greater.  With regards the comparison you make, there will be differences whichever duo you wish to pick, but I don't get the impression that one duo are in perfect-never-to-be-disrupted-harmony, whereas the other duo are at each other throats.