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#1 SophieB

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 19:27

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Two top FIA legal department executives with a strong involvement in #F1 are leaving the organisation as a recent exodus of staff members from the governing body continues.

 

Governance and regulatory director Pierre Ketterer and head of commercial legal affairs Edward Floydd, both of whom had a hand in Concorde Agreement negotiations on behalf of the FIA, are departing.

Ketterer, who will take up a new role at the International Olympic Committee in April, joined the FIA in 2010.

He has long been regarded as one of the key legal players in the organisation, representing it in disciplinary cases both in F1 and across the broader spectrum of the sport as well as in external matters, and he was heavily also involved in compliance issues.

 

https://www.autospor...ation/10573118/

 

 


 

 



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#2 pdac

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 19:38

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Two top FIA legal department executives with a strong involvement in #F1 are leaving the organisation as a recent exodus of staff members from the governing body continues.

 

 

 

 

https://www.autospor...ation/10573118/

 

 


 

 

But is this rats leaving a sinking ship or bad apples being rooted out by a new broom that is sweeping clean?


Edited by pdac, 06 February 2024 - 19:38.


#3 Sterzo

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 19:47

But is this rats leaving a sinking ship or bad apples being rooted out by a new broom that is sweeping clean?

Be careful not to repeat that in an official FIA press conference, or you'll be penalised for mixed metaphors.



#4 AncientLurker

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 20:07

A lawyer moving from FIA to IOC. Takes a certain legal skill set to work in those orgs I suppose.



#5 H0R

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 20:27

Not sure if a legal skill set or a lack of decency is more important.



#6 jcbc3

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 20:29

Apparently he was working with Todt on the Concorde agreement. And may I then say that he did a shitty job as has been amply demonstrated the last week.



#7 ensign14

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Posted 06 February 2024 - 23:40

But is this rats leaving a sinking ship or bad apples being rooted out by a new broom that is sweeping clean?

You don't want to spoil the barrel mid-stream.



#8 Dolph

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Posted 07 February 2024 - 01:12

But is this rats leaving a sinking ship or bad apples being rooted out by a new broom that is sweeping clean?

Arent there any other options in life other than the ones that involve a lot of drama?

Anyway I think its sour apples boarding a rising ship.

Edited by Dolph, 07 February 2024 - 01:13.


#9 pdac

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Posted 07 February 2024 - 10:05

Arent there any other options in life other than the ones that involve a lot of drama?

Anyway I think its sour apples boarding a rising ship.

 

People always like to see a bunch of isolated incidents and try to see common factors that link them together in an attempt to see a pattern that explains them. That's why, for example, we have the periodic table. So it's no surprise that when it appears that an abnormal number of people seem to be leaving an organisation, there are attempts to look for common factors in order to find an explanation for the 'abnormality'. Of course, there may not be any abnormality and it's simply a greater awareness of a normal phenomenon.



#10 Sterzo

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Posted 17 May 2024 - 09:09

There is a hard hitting article in today's Times (London) by Owen Slot, titled 'Why are so many women leaving top jobs at the FIA?'

 

In addition to chief executive Natalie Robyn, the article says:

 

"The previous HR director, Julie Legendre, had left the post in January. Onika Miller, the head of the FIA’s innovation fund, left in April last year. Shaila-Ann Rao, the interim secretary-general for motorsport, left at the end of 2022 alleging “unacceptable” behaviour from Ben Sulayem. That’s a lot of senior female executives to lose.'

 

'In January this year, Deborah Mayer, who was the president of the FIA Women in Motorsport Commission, also quit. When asked by The Times this week if she believed there is a fair and equal place for women in motorsport, Mayer did not comment.'

 

The article also implies that a male executive resigned too, because of concerns about the quality of investigations into their allegations.

 

It's behind a paywall, but here's the link:

https://www.thetimes...t-fia-v52d506wb



#11 ANF

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Posted 17 May 2024 - 09:47

There is a hard hitting article in today's Times (London) by Owen Slot, titled 'Why are so many women leaving top jobs at the FIA?'
 
In addition to chief executive Natalie Robyn, the article says:
 
"The previous HR director, Julie Legendre, had left the post in January. Onika Miller, the head of the FIA’s innovation fund, left in April last year. Shaila-Ann Rao, the interim secretary-general for motorsport, left at the end of 2022 alleging “unacceptable” behaviour from Ben Sulayem. That’s a lot of senior female executives to lose.'
 
'In January this year, Deborah Mayer, who was the president of the FIA Women in Motorsport Commission, also quit. When asked by The Times this week if she believed there is a fair and equal place for women in motorsport, Mayer did not comment.'
 
The article also implies that a male executive resigned too, because of concerns about the quality of investigations into their allegations.
 
It's behind a paywall, but here's the link:
https://www.thetimes...t-fia-v52d506wb

Thanks for sharing. Important information behind paywalls tends to be ignored.

Edited by ANF, 17 May 2024 - 09:47.


#12 pdac

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Posted 17 May 2024 - 09:52

It seems to me that there's only three reasons why so many are leaving:

 

1. They were on a cushy number before and now things are changing

2. They are good people who dislike the changes that are being made now

3. It's all just co-incidence and these people are just natural churn

 

Discounting #3, there must be big changes being made, which are not to people's liking. Personally, I suspect it's reason #2.



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Posted 17 May 2024 - 10:29

It seems to me that there's only three reasons why so many are leaving:

1. They were on a cushy number before and now things are changing
2. They are good people who dislike the changes that are being made now
3. It's all just co-incidence and these people are just natural churn

Discounting #3, there must be big changes being made, which are not to people's liking. Personally, I suspect it's reason #2.


On #1 FIA has increased in size since the new boss arrived? Some of the ones that have left is his new people as well?
#2 That is a possibility.
#3 Unlikely.

And

#4 Toxic environment, starting from the top.

#14 pdac

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Posted 17 May 2024 - 12:17

On #1 FIA has increased in size since the new boss arrived? Some of the ones that have left is his new people as well?
#2 That is a possibility.
#3 Unlikely.

And

#4 Toxic environment, starting from the top.

 

Increased size and new people going is part of what I would consider natural churn (#3) and the toxic environment was part of what I thought about with #2. But if you want #4, then that's what I see as the likely one.



#15 FLB

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Posted 18 May 2024 - 11:08

Increased size and new people going is part of what I would consider natural churn (#3) and the toxic environment was part of what I thought about with #2. But if you want #4, then that's what I see as the likely one.

The FIA hasn't increaed in size since MBS took over. In fact, it started growing massively under Todt (EX: The FIA's Action for Road Safety).



#16 Secretariat

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Posted 18 May 2024 - 13:01

I will add to the potential mix of reasons. I wonder if some of the exodus is indicative that the FIA will move out of Europe.


Edited by Secretariat, 18 May 2024 - 13:03.


#17 pdac

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Posted 18 May 2024 - 13:52

The FIA hasn't increaed in size since MBS took over. In fact, it started growing massively under Todt (EX: The FIA's Action for Road Safety).

 

Then I misunderstood the points you were trying to make. The fact is, though, that either it's just natural staff turnover or else people are disgruntled for some reason. Of the reasons for which they might be disgruntled, to me it falls into whether they had some advantages in the past that are no longer there or that some undesirable things that were not there before are being pushed into the mix - such as toxic culture or (as suggested by Secretariat) relocation.



#18 ensign14

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Posted 18 May 2024 - 14:10

I will add to the potential mix of reasons. I wonder if some of the exodus is indicative that the FIA will move out of Europe.

Not just the FIA, but nearly everyone. Saudi et al bribe the TPLACs to get hold of things like World Cups, more Grands Prix than there are inhabitants, unification boxing matches &c and then change the rules so they can never be voted out.

And multinationals don't care because they'd rather flog trainers to the Chinese than think about any nation's own interest.

#19 Secretariat

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:09

Not just the FIA, but nearly everyone. Saudi et al bribe the TPLACs to get hold of things like World Cups, more Grands Prix than there are inhabitants, unification boxing matches &c and then change the rules so they can never be voted out.

And multinationals don't care because they'd rather flog trainers to the Chinese than think about any nation's own interest.

I don't know enough about what's happening more broadly in Europe regarding other sports. However, I will naively say these entities (business, sport, and so on) that are moving, or thinking about moves don't have to if they don't want to. There was even speculation that Red Bull was considering leaving Austria for Dubai. In the thread about the FIA considering a move, I felt there were rational reasons for the FIA to consider moving to UAE. Are there geopolitical, cultural considerations? I think so, but cynically when has there not been.

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#20 Risil

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:14

I think there are definitely geopolitical considerations, and also a major top-down push from Saudi, Qatar, UAE etc to position themselves as a corporate friendly neutral zone between Europe and Asia.

I don't know if it's that different to basing yourself in Switzerland, which confers similar protections against the workings of law and politics.

However in this specific instance, why would these executives leave in advance of a decision to move the FIA being taken? It doesn't seem that logical to me.

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:21

Mod note: I'd also like us to be careful about throwing around generalizations about what "Arabs" are like. It can be lazy and can end up going to some dark places.

Obviously this is a story about geopolitics and state power so you can't (and shouldn't) avoid talking about national origin and shifts of power from western Europe to Asia. But please stay with the specifics.

#22 ensign14

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:28

It's not about "Arabs" as people, it's about governments in a region, and their deployment if patronage.  If you want dark places, then it's an adjunct in the battle of totalitarianism v democracy, and democracy is losing this one too.

 

However in this specific instance, why would these executives leave in advance of a decision to move the FIA being taken? It doesn't seem that logical to me

 

Because they oppose the direction and are being bullied out?
 



#23 Secretariat

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:29

I think there are definitely geopolitical considerations, and also a major top-down push from Saudi, Qatar, UAE etc to position themselves as a corporate friendly neutral zone between Europe and Asia.

I don't know if it's that different to basing yourself in Switzerland, which confers similar protections against the workings of law and politics.

However in this specific instance, why would these executives leave in advance of a decision to move the FIA being taken? It doesn't seem that logical to me.

I guess this speaks to my cynicism. There has routinely been shifts of power centers throughout history. It depends on the individual lens, societal norms of the time and/or who's being adversely effected as to whether these shifts are positive or negative. Personally, there is some ambivalence I have towards these shifts.  


Edited by Secretariat, 19 May 2024 - 11:30.


#24 AlexS

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:29

There is not enough information about FIA. 



#25 FLB

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Posted 19 May 2024 - 11:42

There is not enough information about FIA. 

And that's the way they want it. The FIA has never been an organization known for its transparency. Even historians have issues having access to certain documents.

 

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