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[azza200]

Autosport on X: "FIA road sport director Andrew Wheatley has left his position at the governing body, Autosport understands. The details regarding his exit are yet to be made clear. Story https://t.co/fd67XbNu3s" / X

 

[FLB]

Autosport on X: "FIA road sport director Andrew Wheatley has left his position at the governing body, Autosport understands. The details regarding his exit are yet to be made clear. Story https://t.co/fd67XbNu3s" / X

 

What I think is the smoking gun. It fits with the pattern of MBS not liking public comments from FIA officials: FIA warns consequences for Japan after repeat safety issue – DirtFish

 

Plus, from what I understand, the Japanese federation is currently an MBS ally.

Edited by FLB, 05 December 2024 - 12:00.

[pdac]

I can promise that the US Authorities also doesn't give a hoot about who you are and where your organization is based, if they think you have committed a crime in the US. Then they'll scoop you up and/or close whatever business dealings you have in the US.

 

That's the point that I think was being made - that if you have not committed an offence in the US, then they would have no authority.

[pdac]

What I think is the smoking gun. It fits with the pattern of MBS not liking public comments from FIA officials: FIA warns consequences for Japan after repeat safety issue – DirtFish

 

Plus, from what I understand, the Japanese federation is currently an MBS ally.

 

Well, to be fair, I would not like public comments like that. In that situation, you do not tell reporters that there will be consequences, you simply say that you'll investigate and take appropriate action, if required. Whether it's a sackable offence, though...

Edited by pdac, 05 December 2024 - 12:46.

[Myrvold]

Well, to be fair, I would not like public comments like that. In that situation, you do not tell reporters that there will be consequences, you simply say that you'll investigate and take appropriate action, if required. Whether it's a sackable offence, though...

Meh.
More secrecy. The comments about what is an extremely dangerous situation was fine, as he says. They got a yellow card for an incident in 2022.

[Sterzo]

Not sure why we're following a link to the X cesspit, when the article is on this very website. Here it is:

 

https://www.autospor...ition/10679422/

[pup]

At this point we could probably put together a list of everyone left at the FIA and have a pool each week to guess who gets fired.

[Rodaknee]

That's the point that I think was being made - that if you have not committed an offence in the US, then they would have no authority.

Formula 1 is an American company,  F1 races are held in the US and there will soon be an American owned F1 team.

Should any of the above be affected by the FIA, then the US legal system will claim to have jurisdiction to make investigations into events.

 

For example, a US F1 race result is changed after the event.

 

Ben needs to realise motorsport governance isn't a feudal system.

[azza200]

Not sure why we're following a link to the X cesspit, when the article is on this very website. Here it is:

 

https://www.autospor...ition/10679422/

 

it's where i saw the article first

[Marklar]

The FIA General Assembly in Rwanda has approved changes to the motorsport federation’s statutes, seeing powers delegated to the FIA president and the president of its senate

https://www.motorspo...light/10682208/

Edited by Marklar, 13 December 2024 - 14:49.

[Myrvold]

Here we go... pathetic and spineless.

Edited by Myrvold, 13 December 2024 - 14:52.

[pdac]

Here we go... pathetic and spineless.

 

I would not say spineless. Just working for everyone's self-interest.

[Myrvold]

I would not say spineless. Just working for everyone's self-interest.

Nah. Spineless. With a few exceptions, there has been very few organisations/federations speaking out.

[Clatter]

Formula 1 is an American company, F1 races are held in the US and there will soon be an American owned F1 team.
Should any of the above be affected by the FIA, then the US legal system will claim to have jurisdiction to make investigations into events.

For example, a US F1 race result is changed after the event.

Ben needs to realise motorsport governance isn't a feudal system.

There already is an American owned F1 team.

[pdac]

Nah. Spineless. With a few exceptions, there has been very few organisations/federations speaking out.

 

That's because they know where their bread is buttered.

[pdac]

Formula 1 is an American company,  F1 races are held in the US and there will soon be an American owned F1 team.

Should any of the above be affected by the FIA, then the US legal system will claim to have jurisdiction to make investigations into events.

 

For example, a US F1 race result is changed after the event.

 

Ben needs to realise motorsport governance isn't a feudal system.

 

Why?

 

Do you mean that we need to hope that he realises that motorsport governance isn't a feudal sysem?

Edited by pdac, 13 December 2024 - 15:46.

[Risil]

Is it not?

[BRG]

Is it not?

All the recent presidents, except perhaps Todt, have behaved like feudal overlords.  And before them was a succession of Princes, Counts and scions of noble families.

[Lights]

This is a sad day for motorsports.

 

Previously I was under the impression that we're stuck with Ben until 2033. But now I fear that won't be the end of it.

Edited by Lights, 13 December 2024 - 17:03.

[Jellyfishcake]

Chances of an F1 type breakaway movement have probbably just increased someway down the line to be honest 

[MikeTekRacing]

Chances of an F1 type breakaway movement have probbably just increased someway down the line to be honest 

break away from F1? At the moment the teams are getting great money from the series?

Not a chance

[917k]

Chances of an F1 type breakaway movement have probbably just increased someway down the line to be honest 

The teams are better off now that at any other time in F1 history, despite FIA leadership.

[Risil]

I assume Jellyfishcake meant F1 breaking away from the FIA, Bernie in 1980 style.

I don't think Liberty would like anything that could jeopardize the value of their investment in the short term though. Probably the teams wouldn't either, they will also have loans etc taken out against their current market value. And the sponsors want the cars racing in front of as many people as possible.

But the FIA own very little, does not have deep pockets and I'm not sure has particularly deep expertise in running a series like F1. (The last technical regs were developed by Ross Brawn's team within FOM, right?)

So I suppose I see the manifest dissatisfaction with the FIA but I don't see the spark or cause that would lead these groups who are doing very well right now into risking it all for a war against the FIA. Look at world soccer, big brands, major clubs and even national associations who think of themselves as forces for good in the world are willing to put up with a lot in exchange for a pie that keeps getting bigger.

[MikeTekRacing]

I assume Jellyfishcake meant F1 breaking away from the FIA, Bernie in 1980 style.

I don't think Liberty would like anything that could jeopardize the value of their investment in the short term though. Probably the teams wouldn't either, they will also have loans etc taken out against their current market value. And the sponsors want the cars racing in front of as many people as possible.

But the FIA own very little, does not have deep pockets and I'm not sure has particularly deep expertise in running a series like F1. (The last technical regs were developed by Ross Brawn's team within FOM, right?)

So I suppose I see the manifest dissatisfaction with the FIA but I don't see the spark or cause that would lead these groups who are doing very well right now into risking it all for a war against the FIA. Look at world soccer, big brands, major clubs and even national associations who think of themselves as forces for good in the world are willing to put up with a lot in exchange for a pie that keeps getting bigger.

Yeah, I don't think that's happening either - Liberty is expanding F1, making more money.

Things are going well

Absolutely no reason to rock the boat.

[Jellyfishcake]

Yeah, as Risil helped to clarify, I meant F1 breaking away from the FIA.

 

And I don't mean in the short term future, as others have said at the moment Liberty is expanding F1, the teams are making absolute bank, and as things currently stand there is no chance or need for them to breakaway.

 

However, I would not be shocked if in the longer term future a MSB led FIA making things unpleasant for F1/Liberty and whatnot that they decide that it is worth breaking away, in a different climate to now whether the bubble has burst, or simply that the FIA continues to make a mess of things, and MSB tries to take back more/pocket more money.

 

Not saying it'll happen, but wouldn't shock me if in 5, 10 or even 15 years the sport doesn't have a different position to what it's currently going through.

[pdac]

I assume Jellyfishcake meant F1 breaking away from the FIA, Bernie in 1980 style.

I don't think Liberty would like anything that could jeopardize the value of their investment in the short term though. Probably the teams wouldn't either, they will also have loans etc taken out against their current market value. And the sponsors want the cars racing in front of as many people as possible.

But the FIA own very little, does not have deep pockets and I'm not sure has particularly deep expertise in running a series like F1. (The last technical regs were developed by Ross Brawn's team within FOM, right?)

So I suppose I see the manifest dissatisfaction with the FIA but I don't see the spark or cause that would lead these groups who are doing very well right now into risking it all for a war against the FIA. Look at world soccer, big brands, major clubs and even national associations who think of themselves as forces for good in the world are willing to put up with a lot in exchange for a pie that keeps getting bigger.

 

The question is whether anything that MBS is doing now or will do in the future is jeopardising the value of F1. All too often people see all kinds of scandals as being big problems. But all too often, after a few months has passed, all the fuss dies down and things go back to how they used to be. It's quite rare that public outrage leads to complete downfall.

Edited by pdac, 13 December 2024 - 21:51.

[Analog]

I think the big change is that FIA is now  heading towards money making. The forces behind that will emerge eventually and since I doubt FIA in itself can bring in more money, those who now profits will have to share.