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[DW46]

Newey merchant has always been a thing as a concept.

With Hill, Hakkinen, Kimi, with Vettel, etc.

JV meanwhile did it on pure merit - hero!

[gillesfan76]

Toro Rosso won at Monza with Gasly. Alpine with Ocon at Hungary.

 

 

Oh and Perez in Racing Point Bahrain Outer

 

Thanks. I wonder how long we will have to wait until a lower team wins a race again.

[Astandahl]

JV meanwhile did it on pure merit - hero!

I always forget about JV

[Cadence]

JV meanwhile did it on pure merit - hero!

Jacques?

[DW46]

Jacques?

Who knows these days 😂

[Cadence]

Who knows these days 😂

No one ever called Jos "JV" to my knowledge in F1.

Back in the Minardi days we called him "Jos The Boss" because he would consistently finish with that Minardi in a position it had no earthly right occupying.

Edited by Cadence, 10 March 2024 - 17:06.

[AlexPrime]

Nope. As you can see from my post from 2013, I was just as fed up with Newey in the Vettel days as I am now. Nothing to do with Max. I'm fed up with Red Bull and I'm fed up with Newey.

Because you're a Ham fan... as a Vet/Ves fan I hated the Merc engines back in the day... it's normal.

[DW46]

No one ever called Jos "JV" to my knowledge in F1.

Back in the Minardi days we called him "Jos The Boss" because he would consistently finish with that Minardi in a position it had no earthly right occupying.

I remember him being Jos the Boss since the Orange Arrows days as well - back when Walker always made a deal out of him being a “Lap 1 quick start specialist”.

There’s a trend in the Williams threads these days to refer to Vowles as JV which I’m pushing back on as it’s making me feel my age 😂

[Cadence]

There’s a trend in the Williams threads these days to refer to Vowles as JV which I’m pushing back on as it’s making me feel my age 😂

At least as far as within the annals of the RC "JV" has always meant Jacques Villeneuve.

E. But I guess in current Williams context James Vowles makes sense.

I've been absent from the RC for sometime, and I saw a JV reference in the Telegraaf thread last week and at first thought; "what the hell has Jacques got to do with this?" then realized it was in reference to Jos.

Yeah, I'm old too.

Edited by Cadence, 10 March 2024 - 17:34.

[TomNokoe]

The problem for me is that there is only one way to be fast. There are few contrasting aero philosophies and driving styles.

The key to an interesting championship is when each team and driver has their own strengths. Think of McL vs Ferrari 2007-08 short vs long wheelbase, cool vs warm conditions, dry vs wet. To coin a term from boxing: styles make fights.

During Vettel's dominance, Red Bull were always vulnerable to McLaren and Ferrari at power circuits, or Lotus at tyre management races. During Mercedes' dominance, they were genuinely slower than Ferrari at times even in 2015, but particularly 2017 and 18. Red Bull, too. There are plenty more examples through the history of F1, even a "forgotten" season like 2009 had these performance swings from circuit to circuit.

This level of dynamic competition adds anticipation and tension to a season. It makes a championship really valuable because it's often about who can maximise their weaker tracks. It's also why I'd argue a tyre war adds value to a season.

However, the new regulations are too prescriptive to allow this level of variance, and combined with the long, heavy cars, and giant, sensitive tyres, it creates a very dull product.

edit: and the second big problem is that grand prix are lacking "phases" which used to define the refuelling and early Pirelli eras. It made races feel alive. If you think of any other major sport (Tennis, Football etc) there are always momentum swings in big matches.

For example, a race like China 2011 has such a magical quality. Any number of drivers from any number of teams could've won, and the favourite for victory swung around every 10 laps as the 2 stop vs 3 stop strategies unfolded before our eyes. A proper race!

Edited by TomNokoe, 10 March 2024 - 23:58.

[MikeTekRacing]

Luckiest win i've ever seen in my life

He was spun by a stupid Leclerc and dead last on lap1
Lots of luck there

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 10 March 2024 - 20:56.

[Astandahl]

He was spun by a stupid Leclerc and dead last on lap1
Lots of luck there

 

 

2 SC, 1 VSC which all massively helped him plus Mercedes absolute clownshow in the pits, plus Russell puncture

 

(Without considering that Hamilton was out for Covid)

 

He had more luck that race than the entire F1 grid minus Hamilton from 2014 to 2020

Edited by Astandahl, 10 March 2024 - 21:55.

[MikeTekRacing]

2 SC, 1 VSC which all massively helped him plus Mercedes absolute clownshow in the pits, plus Russell puncture

(Without considering that Hamilton was out for Covid)

He had more luck that race than the entire F1 grid minus Hamilton from 2014 to 2020

Yeah yeah. Whatever planet you’re on, must be nice there
Dead last in a racing point on lap 1 is lucky.

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 11 March 2024 - 07:24.

[PayasYouRace]

I think we’re dragging off topic a bit here. Let’s stick to Saturday’s race.

[loki]

No one ever called Jos "JV" to my knowledge in F1.

Back in the Minardi days we called him "Jos The Boss" because he would consistently finish with that Minardi in a position it had no earthly right occupying.

I never heard that either but we only had CBC coverage from over the border, magazines and Usenet.  Always Jos the boss.

[Blazt]

[gillesfan76]

The problem for me is that there is only one way to be fast. There are few contrasting aero philosophies and driving styles.

The key to an interesting championship is when each team and driver has their own strengths. Think of McL vs Ferrari 2007-08 short vs long wheelbase, cool vs warm conditions, dry vs wet. To coin a term from boxing: styles make fights.

During Vettel's dominance, Red Bull were always vulnerable to McLaren and Ferrari at power circuits, or Lotus at tyre management races. During Mercedes' dominance, they were genuinely slower than Ferrari at times even in 2015, but particularly 2017 and 18. Red Bull, too. There are plenty more examples through the history of F1, even a "forgotten" season like 2009 had these performance swings from circuit to circuit.

This level of dynamic competition adds anticipation and tension to a season. It makes a championship really valuable because it's often about who can maximise their weaker tracks. It's also why I'd argue a tyre war adds value to a season.

However, the new regulations are too prescriptive to allow this level of variance, and combined with the long, heavy cars, and giant, sensitive tyres, it creates a very dull product.

edit: and the second big problem is that grand prix are lacking "phases" which used to define the refuelling and early Pirelli eras. It made races feel alive. If you think of any other major sport (Tennis, Football etc) there are always momentum swings in big matches.

For example, a race like China 2011 has such a magical quality. Any number of drivers from any number of teams could've won, and the favourite for victory swung around every 10 laps as the 2 stop vs 3 stop strategies unfolded before our eyes. A proper race!

 

Great perspective and post!