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[Risil]

Catching up on the Grand Prix today, one theme the commentators kept picking up on was drivers overtaking around the outside in the squiggly corners after turn one around the back of the pits. (Not Albon obviously.) I definitely spotted Stroll and Tsunoda doing it.

Is this new? Is there an explanation behind it? What did you think?

[krapmeister]

New tyre grip vs old tyre lack of was my take on it.

Edited by krapmeister, 07 April 2024 - 13:16.

[P123]

Tyres.  Actual performance differential between compounds.  Actual degradation.  Actual sizeable performance boost on the new tyre too.

[Risil]

It made for an entertaining race. Russell and Piastri had a great battle (Russell tussle) too.

[Baddoer]

That was against Alpine and Haas, two cars with lowest downforce by two cars with a lot of downforce RB and Aston. Naturally apex speed difference was massive.

[MortenF1]

Irvine did it on Villeneuve in ‘97 😉😄

(That was a joke. He did, but only because Villeneuve drove at an extremely reduced pace)

[jonpollak]

And Jacques STILL got a race ban for it.
Can you imagine the furor today if a driver was given a race ban for going .02 of a second faster than the previous lap through a stationary yellow!?!!!

Try as Mosley did he couldn’t help Ferrari win the title no matter how outrageous the penalties were.

Jp

[ANF]

The best overtaking spot seems to be the long Turn 6, "Gyaku" Bank (or Anti-Banked Curve), the slowest corner in the Esses. With enough tyre advantage you can go the long way around the outside of somebody and get ahead into Dunlop Nippo Corner.

[SpeedRacer`]

If they'd turned off DRS we would've seen more of these kind of overtakes, instead of drivers just waiting for the start/finish straight to DRS drive-by.

[jAnO76]

Verstappen on Russel after the first stop as well.

[PayasYouRace]

And Jacques STILL got a race ban for it.
Can you imagine the furor today if a driver was given a race ban for going .02 of a second faster than the previous lap through a stationary yellow!?!!!

Try as Mosley did he couldn’t help Ferrari win the title no matter how outrageous the penalties were.

Jp

Suspended race ban. Jacques never actually had a race ban. 

[RacingFan10]

Stroll's comments on the radio suggested he had a very high downforce setup and low straightline speed. Now, add soft tires to the mix, and you get lots of grip to overtake in some unusual places. Great stuff indeed

 

By the way yet another terrible race for him, the way Alonso (42) is obliterating him race after race with no signs of improvement, is ridiculous. Today Lance finished, what, 45-50 seconds behind?

Edited by RacingFan10, 07 April 2024 - 16:03.

[Stephane]

Don't rewrite history. Jacques was banned from the race because of a yellow flag infringment in practice.

He participated in the race anyway because appeal, but the ban was maintained afterwards, excluding him from the results.

Edited by Stephane, 07 April 2024 - 16:05.

[PayasYouRace]

Don't rewrite history. Jacques was banned from the race because of a yellow flag infringment in practice.

He participated in the race anyway because appeal, but the ban was maintained afterwards, excluding him from the results.

Disqualified, not banned. But you’re right his suspended ban that he never served was another time. Possibly 1998?

[Dolph]

I would have thought there would be a lot of marbles there by mid race and an overtake would be almost impossible. But guess not.

[Stephane]

Maybe the better term would be excluded from the race.

[Claudius]

I didn’t think the overtakes were so special tbh. Too much of a diff in tyres.

[Stephane]

Which is exactly why we have those tyres.

[krapmeister]

By the way yet another terrible race for him, the way Alonso (42) is obliterating him race after race with no signs of improvement, is ridiculous. Today Lance finished, what, 45-50 seconds behind?

TBF to Lance, he did make an extra pitstop compared to Alonso...

[MikeTekRacing]

I didn’t think the overtakes were so special tbh. Too much of a diff in tyres.

The thing is there has to be a huge difference from somewhere. Close cars can’t do that. So either tyres or just some cars a lot faster, otherwise you won’t see a pass there
You can’t have special moves pulled with 0.4 a lap

[Hellenic tifosi]

The thing is there has to be a huge difference from somewhere. Close cars can’t do that. So either tyres or just some cars a lot faster, otherwise you won’t see a pass there
You can’t have special moves pulled with 0.4 a lap

 

Exactly! And it's much better to see an overtake due to the tyre offset than a DRS fly-by. 

[Dutchrudder]

I would have thought there would be a lot of marbles there by mid race and an overtake would be almost impossible. But guess not.

Certainly don’t notice a lot of visible marbles on the TV these days compared to previous years.

The tyre compounds were perfect this race, there were multiple strategies available with big offsets at different points in the race. Even Max was discussing with Carlos in the green room that the one stop may have been another option. We need to get more races where a 1/2/3 stopper are all on the table and 3 compounds that are all race tyres.

I wonder if losing FP2 played a part in the varied strategy? And nobody being happy with their quali lap too.

I always worry a little bit that my excitement for Suzuka will be anti-climactic, it’s been quite processional here at times, especially without rain. This race was about as intriguing as an easy 1-2 for RedBull could be.

Edited by Dutchrudder, 07 April 2024 - 21:46.

[krapmeister]

Marbles were very visible on the run down to 130R - it was even mentioned by the commentators during the race.

[7MGTEsup]

Maybe they need to up the pitlane speed limit by 10kmh so a pitstop loses less time? Maybe that would open up more strategies?

[Amin]

I seem to remember there was quite a few esses overtakes in 2014.

[RedRabbit]

There was a surprising amount of overtaking outside the DRS zone, and even in it, quite a high number of those were made in the braking zone.

Some really brave stuff at times.

Good to see a lot of positive comments in this thread about this.