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#1 LB

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 08:43

Something that came up in chat while watching the GP Historique is that its fairly rare to have the Irish anthem played on a F1 podium (Jordan for all but one win and, having done a little browsing on here, John Watson at Long beach by mistake) I was going to ask how many other anthems have been played solely for the manufacturer and not a driver. I now assume that's a list of none.

However here are some questions to get your teeth into. 

Which was the first race with a podium ceremony with anthems for driver and manufacturer? What was it before?
How many different anthems have been played at World Championship Grand Prix?
Which has been played the least? (probably Venezuela) and the most? (I assume its God save the Queen/King)
How many times has it been wrong, like Jordan getting the British in Belgium?

 

Also incorrect flags etc etc anything that has gone wrong on the podium, Brazil 2001 actually had no one in the correct place for example.

 

Feel free to expand outside the World Championship. I mean its not like us Scots managed to put the flag up of the wrong Korea at the 2012 Olympics or anything :stoned:



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#2 BRG

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 12:00

If we only look at the WC era (1950 onwards) then yes, Venezuela and Poland have just one anthem playing apiece.  And of course the UK is far and away the most prolific, from Germany some 130 times behind it.  Bizarrely, Italy has heard its very excellent anthem played fewer times than Finland and the Netherlands.

 

But if we go back before 1950, then who knows?  I certainly doin't!



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Posted 12 May 2024 - 12:59

Answering my own questions I believe its 25 anthems or should be, its 25 countries anyway. I have a suspicion that New Zealand won't have had its own one played but GStQ, Webber and Ricciardo stop that same fate for Australia, Japan of course has only been heard for manufacturers. 

Someone will know somewhere if the Hungarian anthem was  played at the first GP I know the depth of knowledge on here.



#4 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 13:26

What's in an anthem anyway?

 

Are the drivers racing for their homeland? Are the manufacturers? I don't think so.

 

And after Alan Jones won the Austrian Grand Prix he reckons they didn't have a recording of Advance Australia Fair and they played something else.



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Posted 12 May 2024 - 13:32

What's in an anthem anyway?

 

Are the drivers racing for their homeland? Are the manufacturers? I don't think so.

 

And after Alan Jones won the Austrian Grand Prix he reckons they didn't have a recording of Advance Australia Fair and they played something else.

Was AAF the anthem in 1977?



#6 Tim Murray

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 16:28

The Alan Jones story has been conclusively disproved. There’s video evidence showing that Advance Australia Fair was played.

#7 BRG

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 17:04

The Alan Jones story has been conclusively disproved. There’s video evidence showing that Advance Australia Fair was played.

Not to Alan Jones's satisfaction as he has often told the tale.  



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Posted 12 May 2024 - 20:42

Also, which anthem hasn't been heard for the longest time, I'm thinking possibly the Swiss one for Jo Siffert?



#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 20:42

Originally posted by LB
Was AAF the anthem in 1977?


A question not easy to answer, LB...

Contests, polls and referenda between 1974 and 1977 gave Advance Australia Fair a slight edge towards being officially adopted and it was basically accepted as being the anthem in 1974.
 
However, as far back as 1952 both God Save the Queen and Advance Australia Fair were played for victories by Australians at the Helsinki Olympics. Advance Australia Fair was accepted as our National Song at that time, while for the Montreal Olympics the Australian Olympic Federation were advised to use Waltzing Matilda. The official adoption, however, didn't take place until April, 1984.
 
The official change was one of the things to come out of the tumult of the Whitlam years, but in 1976 Malcolm Fraser's government reinstated God Save the Queen for Regal occasions - times when members of the Royal Family were present. By this time the first line had been altered from 'Australia's sons' to 'Australians all' to fit in with the Germaine Greer movement, while in January, 2021 (they had nothing better to do as COVID 19 raged around the world) the second line copped a hiding to change from 'For we are young and free' to 'For we are one and free'.
 
Good to see you posting, LB... where have you been?

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Posted 12 May 2024 - 21:10

Also, which anthem hasn't been heard for the longest time, I'm thinking possibly the Swiss one for Jo Siffert?


Don't forget Clay - so Silverstone 1979 I would think.

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Posted 13 May 2024 - 08:46

Don't forget Clay - so Silverstone 1979 I would think.

 

In that case it is longer since the Swedish anthem was played in F1 (Austria 1978).



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Posted 13 May 2024 - 09:10

New Zealand has been waiting since Argentina in  1974.  Although what anthem was played for Denny Hulme, I don't know.


Edited by BRG, 13 May 2024 - 09:11.


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Posted 13 May 2024 - 11:44

And the longest period since their anthem was played for a constructor must be 1977 for Wolf (Canadian)

 

EDIT:  Nope, scratch that, it would be 1976 for Penske (US)


Edited by BRG, 13 May 2024 - 11:47.


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Posted 13 May 2024 - 11:44

Also, which anthem hasn't been heard for the longest time, I'm thinking possibly the Swiss one for Jo Siffert?

Technically the Hungarian one :) for Grand Prix anyway.

 

And to Ray I've always been about just don't post as much 



#15 chr1s

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Posted 14 May 2024 - 19:41

Don't forget Clay - so Silverstone 1979 I would think.

Doh! How did I miss that?  I was bloody there too!



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Posted 14 May 2024 - 22:20

If we only look at the WC era (1950 onwards) then yes, Venezuela and Poland have just one anthem playing apiece.  And of course the UK is far and away the most prolific, from Germany some 130 times behind it.  Bizarrely, Italy has heard its very excellent anthem played fewer times than Finland and the Netherlands.

 

But if we go back before 1950, then who knows?  I certainly doin't!

Italy would have been heard far more , its played for the constructors too

 

Ok assuming everything went to plan (and I know it hasn't) this is home many times each anthem should have been heard (on the podium)  at World championship events 

For Drivers
UK 309
Germany 179

Brazil 101
France 81

Netherlands 58
Finland 57
Italy 43
Australia 43
Austria 41
Argentina 38
Spain 35
USA 33 ( well 22 actually because I'm fairly certain that the Anthem isn't played at Indy)
Canada 17
New Zealand 12
Sweden 12
Belgium 11
South Africa 10
Mexico 8
Switzerland 7
Colombia  7
Monaco 5
Venezuela 1
Poland 1

For Constructors 
UK 520
Italy 266
Germany 127
Austria 117
France 54
USA 13* umm 2
Ireland 4
Japan 3
Canada 3

Now it gets complicated as the anthem is only played once if the driver and constructor are the same country

Umm gimme a few hours/days on that one


 



#17 Catalina Park

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 05:09

Jack Brabham's wins were honoured with the British national anthem. I suspect NZ was similar. 



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Posted 15 May 2024 - 08:25

Jack Brabham's wins were honoured with the British national anthem. I suspect NZ was similar.


As David McKinney once put it, no, Jack was honoured with the Australian national anthem ("God Save the Queen").

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 08:38

Bike racer Eugene Laverty has competed on British and Irish licences.



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Posted 15 May 2024 - 08:45

As David McKinney once put it, no, Jack was honoured with the Australian national anthem ("God Save the Queen").

 

Rightly so. God Defend New Zealand officially became a national anthem in 1977 so all 12 GPs won by Bruce and Denny should have been honoured by the NZ national anthem of the time - God Save The Queen. 

 

There was a period in the 70s when calls to sing the national anthem resulted in both tunes being sung simultaneously. Very amusing.

 

The two most recent wins by British drivers were honoured by God Save The King. Calculating the number of times GSTQ was played could be as complicated as sorting out 250F chassis numbers.  



#21 LB

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Posted 15 May 2024 - 23:50

I've just remembered shared drives, 1957 British GP is one anthem shared three ways Vanwall, Moss and Brooks, they other two shared drive wins were Italian/Argentinian affairs 

OK, the only countries that have had  a single anthem are the UK , Italy, Germany, France and the USA -  

Ignoring Indy, the US would reduce by 1, Gurney in the Eagle. So it would be 23 times that the star spangled banner has been heard, 22 between the drivers (Andretti 12 Gurney 4 Hill 3 Revson 2 Ginther 1 ) and 1 for Penske. With Indy its 34 (12 on its own)

 

France have 54 constructor wins, 81 diver wins. Alpine and Ligier were all French wins Matra had nine with Jackie Stewart, Renault has 35 wins 20 were with non french drivers so the French Anthem has been heard 110 times (25 on its own)

Germany have 127 constructor wins and 179 driver wins the only German to win in a German car is actually Nico Rosberg (which is a fantastic quiz question) with 23 so the German Anthem has been heard 283 times 

Italy is actually fairly easy 43 driver wins and 266 constructors -  244 Ferrari, Alfa 10, Maserati 9, Toro Rosso 1 AlphaTauri 1  and Benetton with 1 as an Italian team. Alfa had 5 wins with an Italian driver Ferrari have 22  so that leaves 16 Italian driver victories in non Italian Cars (Patrese 6 Fisichella 3 De Angelis 2 Alboreto 2 Trulli, Brambilla, Nannini) the Italian Anthem has been heard 282 times (except it hasn't because of Brazil 2001 but I'll come back to that) 27 (well 25 actually, 2 were joint wins) on its own

Ok GSTQ/K (takes bravery pill) here goes 

520 constructors wins with 16 different constructors, 310 drivers wins with 21 drivers one was shared so 309 actual GP's , plus you have NZ and Australia to factor in. Luckily for me all the NZ/Aus wins prior to Webber were in British registered cars so GStQ was getting played anyway so that actually makes it easier. 

Hamilton has 21 All British wins, Mansell 28, Clark 25, D Hill 21 (though actually at all 22 only the UK Anthem was played),Stewart 18. Moss 13, Button 14, G Hill 14, Couthard 13, Hunt 10, Brooks 3 as a fourth was shared, Surtees 1, Watson 4 (though i'm led to believe the Irish anthem was played at Long Beach i would assume along with the British for McLaren) , Irvine 0, Hawthorn 0, Collins 0, Herbert 3 , Ireland 1, Gethin 1 Russell 0 Norris 1 so thats 191 times a UK driver has won in a UK car and actually 191 times the UK anthem was heard on its own as Watson and Hill cancel each other out. In other words its 118 times a UK driver has won in a non UK car 82 of which are Hamilton!  Which gives us 637 airings of God Save some Royalty. 

So that leaves us with 1107 GP 2214 tributes 

UK anthem 638 times - 191 on its own (could be as much as 38 more alone but its 638 in total)
Germany 283 - 23 alone 
Italy 282 - 25 alone
Austria 158

France 110 - 25 alone 
Brazil 101
Netherlands 58
Finland 57
Australia 43 (14 times GstQ god only knows for Jones' 12)
Argentina 38
Spain 35
USA  34 - 12 alone (actually 23 and 1)
Canada 20
New Zealand 12 (Probably GStQ on its own)
Sweden 12
Belgium 11
South Africa 10
Mexico 8
Switzerland 7
Colombia  7
Monaco 5
Ireland 4
Japan 3

Venezuela 1
Poland 1

However at Brazil 2001 the UK and Finish Anthem were played instead of the Italian and Irish so thats 639 times.UK, 281 Italy, 58 Finland, Ireland 3 

Then there are the Sprint race podiums anthems
Austria 10
Netherlands 9
Germany 3
Finland 2 
UK 2
Mexico 1
Australia 1

Who knew the battle between Italy and Germany was that close!
 



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Posted 16 May 2024 - 14:53

Bike racer Eugene Laverty has competed on British and Irish licences

I'm sure back in the day drivers competed under different  flags for convenience...Didn't a well known Finnish rally driver compete with a British licence after his Finnish licence was revoked for some misdemeanour or some such?



#23 Victor

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Posted 31 May 2024 - 07:37

I wonder why no one has referred the Liechtenstein anthem, which has been played the exact same number of times as the UK anthem...