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[JordanIreland]

I’m not a big fan of JV, but he is not wrong:

https://youtu.be/fYG...0TCXxMI3B0dMAdt

Will this be the final year in F1 for daniel ricciardo as a driver?

[PayasYouRace]

Villeneuve doesn't pull his punches, does he?

[JordanIreland]

Villeneuve doesn't pull his punches, does he?

Yes, he was extremely direct here, but he is correct.

[DW46]

🤣🤣 oh Jacques, you do keep me entertained. That was pure barbarism.

[garoidb]

oh Jacques, you do keep me entertained. That was pure barbarism.

 

It's a bit unfair to mention barbers around Jacques!

[pacificquay]

He is right

[FLB]

Villeneuve doesn't pull his punches, does he?

It's a completely foreign concept to him, just like it was for his dad.

[LolaB0860]

The uploader has not made this video available in your country

 

So what did he say

 

He was pretty good in FP2 I think (Villeneuve that is)

Edited by LolaB0860, 07 June 2024 - 22:09.

[MaxCrazyEddieCayer]

I can’t access the video in western Canada, apparently, so what did Jacques said exactly? Like someone else pointed, he and his family in general are not known to mince words and say it as it is.

[RPM40]

Villeneuve knows a thing or two about overstaying his F1 career.

 

It probably is Ricciardo's last season however, i'm just not sure there is any point in him staying around longer. He's 34, and the Perez deal shut the door to Red Bull (But I still persist even 2024 Ricciardo would be an upgrade on Perez)

 

I also, for whatever reason think his form has dropped off since his 'swan song' 2020 season with Renault which he genuinely looked like one of the very best even outside RB hardware.

Edited by RPM40, 07 June 2024 - 22:37.

[PlatenGlass]

I can’t access the video in western Canada, apparently, so what did Jacques said exactly? Like someone else pointed, he and his family in general are not known to mince words and say it as it is.

 

He basically played down his whole F1 career. He said about how he's been trying to get the car to work for him for about five years, which is fair enough, but he dismissed his 2014 season by saying that he was racing a burnt out Vettel who was trying to invent things on the car to win and ruining his weekends. He said he then beat Verstappen for about half a season when Verstappen was about 18. I would say the Vettel comment was BS. Ricciardo was legitimately good then. He won all three races Mercedes didn't and was very good at taking his chances. Against Verstappen, he ultimately slipped behind him, but given how good we know Verstappen now is, I think he still did a good job overall, and was always good at nicking wins in chaotic races. He was OK at Renault as well, which Villeneuve forgot about. But McLaren onwards has been poor.

 

He was perhaps right to question what he's doing in F1 now, but his analysis of his whole career was poor and gets a D-.

 

Edit - He was also asked if he thought Ricciardo has been overrated in whole career, and Villeneuve didn't explicitly answer but said that he thinks his image has kept him in F1 over his actual results. But to be honest, Villeneuve was always pretty overrated himself, so maybe he didn't want to give a straight answer!

Edited by PlatenGlass, 07 June 2024 - 22:44.

[Cadence]

Jacques got few (very few) friends in the Paddock, so telling it like it is costs him nothing.

[loki]

You don’t have to be Kreskin to see Ricciardo’s days in F1 are numbered.  This is ol’ Jack trying to be an edge lord.  Plenty of others have done far worse than Ricciardo. 

[MaxCrazyEddieCayer]

I’m not surprised, he’s often making statements just to rock the boat and get attention. I am not surprised to learn he’s got very few friends in the paddock as well. Thank PlatenGlass for the resume. Much appreciated.

[TheAviator]

I think he went too hard on Ric but all things considered he is not wrong.

He is right that he beat Max only in 2016 when Max was like 16 and switched teams. From first FP in 2017 till end of 2018 Max was almost always faster. Whenever Max had DNF it was when he was ahead, and when Ric had it, he was behind. Still to this day I remember what Max did to him in China 2017, it showed me Ric, while great driver when car is right, is just not all that good.

[JordanIreland]

This is what JV said: https://www.crash.ne...aniel-ricciardo

[ANF]

The uploader has not made this video available in your country
 
So what did he say
 
He was pretty good in FP2 I think (Villeneuve that is)

"Why is he still in F1? Why? We're hearing the same thing now for the last four or five years: 'We have to make the car better for him. Poor him.' Sorry, it's been five years of that! No! You're in F1! Maybe you make that effort for Lewis Hamilton who has won multiple championships. You don't make that effort for a driver that... can't cut it. If you can't cut it, go home, there's someone else to take your place. That's how it's always been in racing, it's the pinnacle of the sport. There's no reason to keep going and to keep finding excuses. And you all talk about that first season, or first two seasons... He was beating a Vettel that was burnt out, that was trying to invent things with the car to go and win, and just making a mess of his weekends. And then he was beating, for half a season, Verstappen when Verstappen was 18 years old, just starting. Then that was it! He stopped beating anyone after that."

[Anderis]

Then that was it! He stopped beating anyone after that.

Yes, because Ocon and Hulkenberg don't exist.

If there's one F1 pundit I have little respect for, it's Jacques Villeneuve. To me, he's proven again and again that he has no ability of making correct observations and judgement about reality. Some of his takes I've seen in the past were so bad that I'm kinda sad that journalists are still asking for his opinions. In the fragment I quoted above he's proven again that he loses track of the simplest bits of information about things he's talking about.

Though I don't disagree that Ricciardo is done and doesn't really deserve to be in F1 in 2025 based on his current trajectory. But as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[maximilian]

He's still my fave, so I hope he does something spectacular very soon.  A string of nice top-10 finishes and at least getting very close to Yuki in points should do the trick?  But better hurry and get that started.  In the old days, he would have been a prime candidate for a mid-season benching.

[Flasheart]

JV has been butt hurt ever since Ricciardo got chosen over Vergne. He’s been taking shots at him every chance anybody gave him ever since.

[TecnoRacing]

I’m not a big fan of JV, but he is not wrong:

https://youtu.be/fYG...0TCXxMI3B0dMAdt

Will this be the final year in F1 for daniel ricciardo as a driver?

 

Vettel being "burnt out" in 2014 is a dubious take.

[SamH123]

Don't disagree with the sentiment that Ricciardo has had his chance now but it was a bit of mental gymnastics to say Vettel and Verstappen were weak opponents when Ricciardo was team-mates

 

edit: just as TecnoRacing just alluded to.  I think Ricciardo raced Verstappen in Verstappen's 2nd and 3rd seasons, he was hardly a slouch by then

Edited by SamH123, 08 June 2024 - 00:49.

[TecnoRacing]

It's a completely foreign concept to him, just like it was for his dad.

Gilles could be direct, but was nearly universally liked by his contemporaries and never to my knowledge needlessly abrasive.

Jacques on the other has been in feuds with everyone...a much more calculating, disputatious character vs the relatively more guileless Gilles imo.

Edited by TecnoRacing, 08 June 2024 - 02:34.

[Alfisti]

Don't disagree with the sentiment that Ricciardo has had his chance now but it was a bit of mental gymnastics to say Vettel and Verstappen were weak opponents when Ricciardo was team-mates

 

edit: just as TecnoRacing just alluded to.  I think Ricciardo raced Verstappen in Verstappen's 2nd and 3rd seasons, he was hardly a slouch by then

 

Well there's that and JV has seemingly forgotten that he didn't "beat nobody after Verstappen", he went to Renault and beat Hulkenberg in his own team and then saw off Ocon. 

 

In saying that it is time for Dan to go. If he's 2 tenths of Tsunoda and Tsunoda is 2 tenths off Norris, he is effectively driving as badly as he was at mcLaren. 

[kumo7]

Daniel's down turn in performance after Renault was mystery. I cannot imagine how this was happened. But by all means Daniel had achieved quite a lot as a Formula-1 Racer. 

As a McLaren fan I was not too pleased with his performance at the time, honestly. And had hoped therefore he push his boundary at RB, Which was not. There are more races left, but I think it is the time.

Like I said Daniel showed quite a bit what he can. so ...

Edited by kumo7, 08 June 2024 - 03:15.

[JHSingo]

Well, someone needed to say it...

 

I think it's a shame that Ricciardo's place is (apparently) safe, when his performances don't merit it. When a driver retains his seat simply because he's more "marketable" or popular than another who'd probably do a better job (Lawson), then that's a worrying statement of that team's ambitions, or lack thereof. 

 

Sure, he might have been great in 2020. But 2020 is a long time ago now, and it's time to move on. 

 

But, it's not just him. I think the overall quality of the grid at the moment is quite poor, to be honest. The likes of Sargeant, Zhou, Bottas, Stroll, Magnussen, Ricciardo, and maybe even Perez. The sport does need a clear out of these grid fillers and to bring some new blood in to stop it becoming stale. 

Edited by JHSingo, 08 June 2024 - 06:59.

[PlatenGlass]

One thing I would say is that if Ricciardo's timing of joining Red Bull had been slightly different or the timing of Red Bull's decline / the introduction of hybrids had been slightly different, Ricciardo could have been a world champion. Not one of the greatest, but like Villeneuve in that respect. I think a lot of people were probably wondering what Villeneuve was doing in F1 at the end of his career.

[FirstnameLastname]

Touché. The Sauber/Renault stints for Jacques…. And even the latter BAR days where he was being beaten by a Young Jenson button

What was he doing here?! He should have just gone home

Edited by FirstnameLastname, 08 June 2024 - 07:39.

[Clrnc]

I mean he is not wrong, but a tad harsh no? There's like 2 or 3 more drivers that you should say that to before it comes to Ricciardo. 

[krea]

I mean he is not wrong, but a tad harsh no? There's like 2 or 3 more drivers that you should say that to before it comes to Ricciardo. 

 

TR was a way to get potential drivers into F1 and Red Bull, now RB has Yuki though they refuse to do anything with him and a broken Ricciardo which is just a waste for a F1 seat. 

Edited by krea, 08 June 2024 - 07:59.

[rocque]

But Hulk and Haas did not find enough common ground to strike a deal and Grosjean remains alognside KMag for another year of guaranteed bent metal.

 

While most lamented the decision, of course, Villeneuve had his unique view on Hulkenberg/Grosjean story and told journo Andre Wiegold, “These are the two drivers with the most races without a victory. Hülkenberg doesn’t even have a podium, so why would you want to change?

 

“If you wanted to swap Grosjean, then you should either go for a young driver or an older one who knows how to win… like Ricciardo,” added the Canadian.

https://www.grandpri...-have-a-podium/

"He has the record for the most races without a podium, so he knows he's had a career that is probably longer than it should have been.

 

"But he's been lucky because, regardless of the cars he has had, he has always been a professional driver who is paid. He knows very well that his career in Formula 1 is over now," the Canadian added.

 

However, Esteban Ocon lost his F1 race seat at the end of last year but next season is replacing Hulkenberg at Renault after spending a season as Mercedes' reserve.

 

But Villeneuve said the same strategy would not work for Hulkenberg.

 

"There will be no return," he insisted. "It's not like Ocon, who is young and still has everything to prove.

 

"This (Hulkenberg) is a driver who has already had time to show everything. Unless there is a driver who gets sick and needs to be quickly replaced by an experienced guy, the teams are not going to be looking at him."

https://www.grandpri...villeneuve.html

 

Villeneuve just says what suits someone's current situation and without any depth. It usually ends like these two above.

Edited by rocque, 08 June 2024 - 08:06.

[statsguy]

Vettel being "burnt out" in 2014 is a dubious take.

Ricciardo beating Vettel that year was like Russell beating Hamilton in 2022. Both champions coming down a level to midfield cars is a difficult thing to adjust to.

 

Plus Vettel had been using that exentric driving technique to make the blown diffusor work so well the year before, so needed more time to adjust.

 

Ricciardo was never a WDC caliber driver. He's only appreciated for his PR value, and that's all. Won't be missed over here.

[TheFish]

During 2014-20 I had Ricciardo firmly in the Button/Rosberg category of 'will win a title if the circumstances allow' but the drop off since joining McLaren has been incredible.

 

I can't remember an occasion where a driver has had such a strong drop off. From potential champion to someone who doesn't deserve to be on the grid.

[JBJ]

The more and more he drops off, the more that smile gets cringeworthy

[NickeF1]

F1 needs people like Rosberg and Villeneuve in the paddock.

[danmills]

If it was Ocon with Ricciardos results, we would probably all agree with JV in unison. 

 

He's bang on the money that being a nice guy has kept his seat safer. Performance alone, many drivers would have been turfed long ago.

 

He's had more meh seasons now than those very good ones, and sadly the weight ratio falls foul on making it look a worse career than it was.

 

I wish he found his mojo sooner, he's an absolute asset to the sport. But Yuki, of all people, is making him look silly.

 

I'm still convinced DR suffered big time from mental health issues following the lockdown era and being away from home for so long. He's just not quite been the same since, he seems more affected by stuff, before at RB he shrugged bad days off but now they cut deep.

Edited by danmills, 08 June 2024 - 09:14.

[jonklug]

One of the very rare times where I find myself agreeing with Villeneuve. 

[JBJ]

No geoblock

https://www.dumpert....094433_87a0d0db

[Disgrace]

Red Bull have Lawson and Hadjar awaiting F1 promotion. If they keep Ricciardo as well as Perez, I struggle to rationalise the point of the team anymore.

[baddog]

Jacques is amazingly good at being wrong *shrug* 

[DW46]

JV giving Dan more scrutiny than Crofty/Ant and Karun have for the last half decade. Love it.

Achieved more in 2 seasons are Jacques then . . . Well any of the current lot managed in the same timeframe ;)

Went a bit quiet after 🤣

Edited by DW46, 08 June 2024 - 10:27.

[William Hunt]

I wish he found his mojo sooner, he's an absolute asset to the sport. But Yuki, of all people, is making him look silly.....

 

What do you mean when you talk about Yuki with.... "of all people"

This sounds extremely rude and insulting.

[krea]

If it wasn't for that lucky sprint result it would look disastrous for Ricciardo against Tsunoda. It's also insulting how Tsunoda right now is putting himself as the best of the rest and he while Ricciardo finished one (sprint) race in the points. 

[lewislorenzo]

Daniel was good up until he joined Mclaren. He has fell off since then

[Thursday]

I think it's fair to say Ricciardo has lost it but a tad harsh to say he never had it. He was a good driver, maybe not A-list but close.

The key word there is 'was', he no longer is.

 

Ricciardo was given a every chance to succeed at McLaren and it was only his marketability that gave him a second chance with Red Bull where he has underwhelmed.

The fact that he was given a drive after Devries was dropped, probably owes more to the Horner/Marco power struggle than it does actual driving ability.

Lawson performed much better against Tsunoda than Ricciardo has ever managed and deserves a seat more than Ricciardo. 

 

If Ricciardo keeps his seat next year that can only be explained by the internal Red Bull politics.

Ricciardo is Horner's pet, Lawson is Marko's and Tsunoda is Honda's which is why he has no chance of a Red Bull seat.  

[Myrvold]

https://www.grandpri...-have-a-podium/
https://www.grandpri...villeneuve.html

Villeneuve just says what suits someone's current situation and without any depth. It usually ends like these two above.

What was wrong though? In 2019 Ricciardo was a proved winne, and Haas did end up keeping Grosjean until they signed a young driver.

He was also correct in Hülkenberg being the experienced guy to use when in need of replacements on short notice.
The Hülk comeback is an outlier, a cool one imo, but still an outlier.

[JordanIreland]

One of the very rare times where I find myself agreeing with Villeneuve.

I shocked myself in agreeing with Jv 🤣🤣

[Secretariat]

In my view, Villenueve's words is basically a confession regarding 2003-2006. He effectively has seen a reflection. Probably wishes he had the kind of support Ricciardo is getting now, in the 05-06 period. Therefore, I think Villenueve's opinion in this case has a lot of credibility; he knows exactly the signs of when a driver needs replacing.

[ATM]

Maybe Danny Ric has a narrow operating window and those RBR cars, super late on the brakes, made him click and boost his confidence. He was pretty fast in his day, that much I can certainly say.

[Boing 2]

Dan's career will be endlessly debated, there's little doubt he's lukewarm and has been for a while, in fact it's looking like he might never get his old form back but to say he never had form in the past is insane, he was genuinely good in those RB days.