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[aljaxon]

ok i give in.

the mediums were better cos they went slower and so got hotter and so lewis must be truly the best driver to get the fastest lap time on hards and crofty was wrong when he said the hards could be now the better tyre.

 

my hard blistering tyres must have been cos im really valentino rossi.

 

all talk of tyres apart it was a good race though.

[JimmyClark]

This is somewhat disgusting from the circuit/F1... https://x.com/KymIll...765771024601395

 

 

 

General Admission fans found themselves a spot on the start-finish straight throughout the weekend, but come one hour prior to the race, the organisers blocked their view with black mesh as they watched on helpless, despite being at the spot for hours.

 

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Edited by JimmyClark, 12 June 2024 - 12:09.

[Clatter]

This is somewhat disgusting from the circuit/F1... https://x.com/KymIll...765771024601395




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That is crazy. It's almost like they have never run the race there before. I'm surprised they didn't rip it all down once the workers had moved on.

[carbonfibre]

This is somewhat disgusting from the circuit/F1... https://x.com/KymIll...765771024601395




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And I always believed this was one of the better organized F1 events, real mess they better step up next year.

[P123]

i didnt say the tyre warmed up faster.  and why would you think i wasnt aware the damp patches were there for everyone.  if you want to reply i suggest you read and digest what im saying. 

bottom line push the medium only the same pace as the hard and it wont get as near to optimum operating temp.

 

What was the pace difference between the medium and the hard, so we can work out how many tenths were crucial for the medium not to work on the cool track, but the hard to do so perfectly.  I can see why you're barking up that tree, due to Hamilton's FL, but that was largely down to three helpings of DRS, not greatly superior cornering performance.  In the laps preceding the final safety car, when Russell had the hard and Hamilton the medium, Hamilton's laptimes were a 1m17.7 and 1m17.4 vs Russell's 1m18.4 and 1m18.2.  Those laptimes from George on the hard, and Hamilton's inability to chase after Norris when on the hard tend to suggest the medium was the tyre to have (most of the grid thought so too).

[P123]

And I always believed this was one of the better organized F1 events, real mess they better step up next year.

 

They seemed to becoming up with novel ideas as how not to treat paying fans.  

[RekF1]

Drivers give honest opinions https://x.com/Screwd...ok9pgvSVKA&s=19

[cjm321190]

Canada is trading on past glories. Not the Canada i remember when visiting last year. Socialist paradise.

[IrvTheSwerve]

This is somewhat disgusting from the circuit/F1... https://x.com/KymIll...765771024601395

 

 

 

 

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That is pathetic. GA is GA, you stand or sit wherever you want to if it’s open to access. If they’d blocked the view prior to the weekend it would be ridiculous but at least fans would know it’s not somewhere to watch from. As many of us know, GA requires an element of preparation and I’d have been miffed to walk to the same spot and find I couldn’t view from there any longer.

 

Liberty are full of own goals.

[Deeq]

This is somewhat disgusting from the circuit/F1... https://x.com/KymIll...765771024601395




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Why did they do that, any explanation from the promotoris?

[FLB]

That is pathetic. GA is GA, you stand or sit wherever you want to if it’s open to access. 

It isn't. I've sat in the grandstand that's just behind. From memory, in all the years I've been (admittely not this year), this has never been an area open to GA. There is security personel near the grandstands to prevent people from acessing the areas in front of the grandstands. You need to show your ticket twice: Once to get to the area where the grandstand is located, the other near the stairs to access your seat.

 

These people never should have been there. What I suspect is that the organizers lacked security personel and found the solution you see on the video.

[JimmyClark]

Why did they do that, any explanation from the promotoris?

 
Not that I can see. Though looking down the thread it seems it was gone again later, maybe. 
 
As an aside, here's Saward's take on Montreal...
 

There was once a time when a lot of people in F1 would happily name Montreal as their favourite Grand Prix of the year. It is great track and well-located close to what was always an exciting city, but something has changed. The track is still great, a place where a driver can make a difference, but the city has lost its shine. Montreal has always been a mess of roadworks, orange plastic cones and closed roads. Staying in the centre meant that it was more fun, but as this is no longer affordable, we no longer spend time downtown.
 
Montreal cannot help its weather and last weekend we had torrential rain, hail and lots of mud. This did not help but it was not just that. The race weekend is no longer fun. Last year, I was amazed to discover, the Canadian Grand Prix had the smallest number of F1 Media passholders in attendance. Fewer even than faraway Melbourne.

We encountered fans who had been turned way by police who told them that the event had been “abandoned” because the access was such a disaster. It was a shame that so good a circuit had become such a misery. As often happens in these circumstances, everyone blames everyone else and the problem is never solved… But I fear it will be solved soon enough if things do not improve because the F1 group is getting tired of hosting exasperated sponsors, who turn up spattered with mud and angry. The word is that some of the folks at F1 are already looking at Toronto, even if there is a contract in place in Montreal until 2031. The city authorities don’t seem to care very much, the promoter aways claims there is not much he can do. This year the track was resurfaced but the new pit building was leaking like a sieve, with some dramatic moments in the commentary boxes as TV technicians fought to divert water which was threatening to blow up their equipment.

The whole thing needs a solid rethink. Fortunately, F1 is working to find solutions with the provincial government (which can tell people what to do) and one of the VIPs on the grid on Sunday was Quebec’s Minister of Economy, Innovation and Energy, Pierre Fitzgibbon, a former financier who is also looks after the portfolios of Regional Economic Development and the Montréal Region. The date of the race is still a problem because, quite logically, F1 wants it to be a double-header with Miami, rather than two separate transatlantic excursions, but neither race wants to move. Whatever the details, things need to fixed so that F1 can fall back in love with Montreal again.

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Edited by JimmyClark, 13 June 2024 - 10:14.

[FLB]

 

Why did they do that, any explanation from the promotoris?
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Not that I can see. Though looking down the thread it seems it was gone again later, maybe. 
 
As an aside, here's Saward's take on Montreal...
 
 
 

 

There was once a time when a lot of people in F1 would happily name Montreal as their favourite Grand Prix of the year. It is great track and well-located close to what was always an exciting city, but something has changed. The track is still great, a place where a driver can make a difference, but the city has lost its shine. Montreal has always been a mess of roadworks, orange plastic cones and closed roads. Staying in the centre meant that it was more fun, but as this is no longer affordable, we no longer spend time downtown.
 
Montreal cannot help its weather and last weekend we had torrential rain, hail and lots of mud. This did not help but it was not just that. The race weekend is no longer fun. Last year, I was amazed to discover, the Canadian Grand Prix had the smallest number of F1 Media passholders in attendance. Fewer even than faraway Melbourne.
 

 

 

We encountered fans who had been turned way by police who told them that the event had been “abandoned” because the access was such a disaster. It was a shame that so good a circuit had become such a misery. As often happens in these circumstances, everyone blames everyone else and the problem is never solved… But I fear it will be solved soon enough if things do not improve because the F1 group is getting tired of hosting exasperated sponsors, who turn up spattered with mud and angry. The word is that some of the folks at F1 are already looking at Toronto, even if there is a contract in place in Montreal until 2031. The city authorities don’t seem to care very much, the promoter aways claims there is not much he can do. This year the track was resurfaced but the new pit building was leaking like a sieve, with some dramatic moments in the commentary boxes as TV technicians fought to divert water which was threatening to blow up their equipment.

 
The whole thing needs a solid rethink. Fortunately, F1 is working to find solutions with the provincial government (which can tell people what to do) and one of the VIPs on the grid on Sunday was Quebec’s Minister of Economy, Innovation and Energy, Pierre Fitzgibbon, a former financier who is also looks after the portfolios of Regional Economic Development and the Montréal Region. The date of the race is still a problem because, quite logically, F1 wants it to be a double-header with Miami, rather than two separate transatlantic excursions, but neither race wants to move. Whatever the details, things need to fixed so that F1 can fall back in love with Montreal again.
 
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The Minister of Toursim Caroline Proulx is getting involved. Fitzgibbon is incredibly unpopular among the general population. He's one of the ministers sinking the government's popularity. Mention his name to most people and most will tell you they'd like to see him gone. 

 

The provincial governement can't tell the city what to do. The city is what we call 'a creature of the government', but Montreal has its own special status: Montreal granted special metropolis status - Montreal | Globalnews.ca

 

The whole thing is becoming a political crisis here and a symbol of the distance that exists between the Government in Québec City and the administration of the City of Montreal.

Edited by FLB, 13 June 2024 - 10:20.

[PayasYouRace]

Eff it! Let’s do a Zandvoort to Mosport and just have the race there.

[Autodromo]

Canada is trading on past glories. Not the Canada i remember when visiting last year. Socialist paradise.

Not to get political, but socialists would not block the view of the GA customers.  Capitalists might.  But mostly just a-holes.

[FLB]

Eff it! Let’s do a Zandvoort to Mosport and just have the race there.

And who would pay for it? As far as I know, the Fidanis (the owners of the track) have no interest in turing it into an FIA Grade 1 track.

[Clatter]

That is pathetic. GA is GA, you stand or sit wherever you want to if it’s open to access. If they’d blocked the view prior to the weekend it would be ridiculous but at least fans would know it’s not somewhere to watch from. As many of us know, GA requires an element of preparation and I’d have been miffed to walk to the same spot and find I couldn’t view from there any longer.

Liberty are full of own goals.

I'm going to guess that someone in the stands complained about how much they paid for that view, and the GA guys were getting it so much cheaper.

[IrvTheSwerve]

It isn't. I've sat in the grandstand that's just behind. From memory, in all the years I've been (admittely not this year), this has never been an area open to GA. There is security personel near the grandstands to prevent people from acessing the areas in front of the grandstands. You need to show your ticket twice: Once to get to the area where the grandstand is located, the other near the stairs to access your seat.

 

These people never should have been there. What I suspect is that the organizers lacked security personel and found the solution you see on the video.

Well that’s a screw up on the organisers part, if fans have been there previously during the weekend then the organisers should suck it up and leave them to it. It doesn’t look like a safety issue. It just stinks of ‘you didn’t pay enough to get this view’ while people who spent much more sat right next to that area.

 

For the sake of a couple of hundred dollars, Liberty decide to block it off and get the social media sh*tstorm that goes with it. Sums them up. 

[PayasYouRace]

And who would pay for it? As far as I know, the Fidanis (the owners of the track) have no interest in turing it into an FIA Grade 1 track.

Mont-Tremblant then. Lawrence Stroll can pay for it.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Regarding being turned away due to the weather, it reminds me of one year at Silverstone (can’t remember which, mid-late 00s?) where it was pouring down late Thursday/early Friday and the car parks weren’t in the best of condition…I remember queuing for ages to get in when we were then told to turn away as we won’t be allowed in. From memory I begrudgingly drove off but after 5/10 mins stopped at a petrol station thinking ‘I know what F1 is like when it comes to organisation’…decided to drive back and when re-joining the queue (many ignored the request to leave), radio Silverstone announced the car parks were opening.

 

Always felt sorry for those that decided to drive off that day.

[Clatter]

Regarding being turned away due to the weather, it reminds me of one year at Silverstone (can’t remember which, mid-late 00s?) where it was pouring down late Thursday/early Friday and the car parks weren’t in the best of condition…I remember queuing for ages to get in when we were then told to turn away as we won’t be allowed in. From memory I begrudgingly drove off but after 5/10 mins stopped at a petrol station thinking ‘I know what F1 is like when it comes to organisation’…decided to drive back and when re-joining the queue (many ignored the request to leave), radio Silverstone announced the car parks were opening.

Always felt sorry for those that decided to drive off that day.

Was that 2000 when they moved the GP from July to April?

[IrvTheSwerve]

Was that 2000 when they moved the GP from July to April?

Nah, from memory is was somewhere between 2009 and 2013, really can’t remember the year!

[Clatter]

Nah, from memory is was somewhere between 2009 and 2013, really can’t remember the year!

I don't remember any issues with the carparks back then. They were all tarmaced after 2000. The camping grounds might have been a different matter though. I do remember having to trudge through a lot of mud around the circuit. I always took a pair of wellies, just in case.

[FLB]

Mont-Tremblant then. Lawrence Stroll can pay for it.

Stroll has sold it. Furthermore, what was threatened at Laguna actually happened at Tremblant (i.e. some residents who moved in the the 1980s, when the track has been in constant operation since 1964, filed a lawsuit... and won. There are now limits that make it virtually impossible to use for professional racing).

[PayasYouRace]

Stroll has sold it. Furthermore, what was threatened at Laguna actually happened at Tremblant (i.e. some residents who moved in the the 1980s, when the track has been in constant operation since 1964, filed a lawsuit... and won. There are now limits that make it virtually impossible to use for professional racing).

Any other Canadian circuits we could go to?

Don’t get me wrong. I love Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. But I’m just thinking of what else is out there if Montreal doesn’t care for the race anymore.

[IrvTheSwerve]

I don't remember any issues with the carparks back then. They were all tarmaced after 2000. The camping grounds might have been a different matter though. I do remember having to trudge through a lot of mud around the circuit. I always took a pair of wellies, just in case.

 

They still use farm land for parking (or at least, still were when I last visited Silverstone about 6 years ago) - to the right of Dadford Road when driving from the bypass...this is what they were having an issue with whenever that year was that I can't remember!

 

Not sure how many years I've been since the 2000 debacle (at least 10-12) but I've pretty much always had to park in farm land around the circuit...

Edited by IrvTheSwerve, 13 June 2024 - 14:14.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Any other Canadian circuits we could go to?

Don’t get me wrong. I love Circuit Gilles Villeneuve. But I’m just thinking of what else is out there if Montreal doesn’t care for the race anymore.

 

Be careful or we'll end up with a Toronto street circuit night race...

[PayasYouRace]

Be careful or we'll end up with a Toronto street circuit night race...

It could double head with Indycar.

[D28]

It isn't. I've sat in the grandstand that's just behind. From memory, in all the years I've been (admittely not this year), this has never been an area open to GA. There is security personel near the grandstands to prevent people from acessing the areas in front of the grandstands. You need to show your ticket twice: Once to get to the area where the grandstand is located, the other near the stairs to access your seat.

 

These people never should have been there. What I suspect is that the organizers lacked security personel and found the solution you see on the video.

Agreed. I last visited in 1998, and the visual barriers were fully in place around the stands so there was no way one could see anything from GA, and certainly no way one could sit in front of stands without a ticket. The idea was crystal clear, buy a seat and put your butt in it. GA was reserved for mostly young  people who partied, soaked up the atmosphere, and vast quantities of beer, but saw no racing action. To be emphasized, the circuit is on a man-made island, flat as a pancake; it lacks the viewing choices of natural circuits such as Mosport or St Jovite. It was always thus.

[LolaB0860]

It could double head with Indycar.

No they'll just stage it with no support races and instead have METRO INC. SPRINT 11PM on Friday evenig followed by Nickelback concert

[Clatter]

They still use farm land for parking (or at least, still were when I last visited Silverstone about 6 years ago) - to the right of Dadford Road when driving from the bypass...this is what they were having an issue with whenever that year was that I can't remember!

Not sure how many years I've been since the 2000 debacle (at least 10-12) but I've pretty much always had to park in farm land around the circuit...

I've always used the main carparks. Cost a bit more, but camped in the car, so no pitch fees.

[IrvTheSwerve]

I've always used the main carparks. Cost a bit more, but camped in the car, so no pitch fees.

Parked in the main car parks a couple of times…but mostly in the fields. Never remembered having the choice to be honest!   
 

But yeah, not really been there (for F1) since the Liberty/DTS takeover. Done Spa a couple of times since instead.

[AncientLurker]

It could double head with Indycar.

I'm sure Indycar could squeeze them in Sunday morning before the feature race.

[Clatter]

Parked in the main car parks a couple of times…but mostly in the fields. Never remembered having the choice to be honest!

But yeah, not really been there (for F1) since the Liberty/DTS takeover. Done Spa a couple of times since instead.

I stopped after 2014. I could have taken the silent cars if the racing had been better, but I came away thinking it was no longer value for money to attend live. Have been to Spa since.

[FLB]

En francais, but there is going to be a meeting between Stefano Domenicali and Montreal mayor Valérie Plante next week. The Montreal promoter has apparently been given until September 30 to submit a plan for improvements to the FIA: Ratés du Grand Prix: le grand patron de la F1 et Valérie Plante se rencontreront | TVA Nouvelles

Edited by FLB, 14 June 2024 - 09:54.

[loki]

I'm sure Indycar could squeeze them in Sunday morning before the feature race.

Points.      

[Cadence]

Canada is trading on past glories. Not the Canada i remember when visiting last year. Socialist paradise.

Finally. Someone who gets it.

[FLB]

 
Not that I can see. Though looking down the thread it seems it was gone again later, maybe. 
 
As an aside, here's Saward's take on Montreal...
 

 

This year the track was resurfaced but the new pit building was leaking like a sieve, with some dramatic moments in the commentary boxes as TV technicians fought to divert water which was threatening to blow up their equipment.

 

 

https://joesaward.wo...-sesame-street/

 

This has now resulted in a lawsuit (no date set yet), with the contractors/builders blaming the architects and the architects blaming the contractors/builders: Infiltration d’eau dans les paddocks de la F1 : des poursuites judiciaires intentées | Radio-Canada (en francais)