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[Stephane]

My preferred gt3 was the Z4, but it's also not really a GT.

[Forghieri]

Although Chinetti's co-deriver was 'Phi-Phi' Étancelin and not Raymond Sommer like in 32.

My bad, thanks for the correction.

[AlexS]

It has to be political; I can't think of another reason for the leniency in penalties......Added to the favourable BoP, again. 

 

The sooner Ferrari leaves the better; they can take their toxic F1 fans with them.......

 

 

Toyota vs Ferrari

Min weight (kg)
1053 vs 1043
Max Power below 250kph (KW)
508 vs 508
Power Gain after 250 kph
+ 0.9%(positive) vs – 1,7%(negative)
Max Stint Energy (MJ)
906 vs 889

 

Toyota is penalised in weight but Ferrari is penalised in power gain over 250kph and Max stint energy available. Which is beter?

[ANF]

Were we ever told what Ferrari's technical infringement was? Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it among the stewards' decision documents. http://fiawec.alkame...noticeBoard.php

[Collombin]

BOP used to be having the best driver walk slowly across the track at the start to create an artificially close finish.

[Myrvold]

Were we ever told what Ferrari's technical infringement was? Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it among the stewards' decision documents. http://fiawec.alkame...noticeBoard.php

DOC 197 ;)
ERS Deployment.

[PayasYouRace]

It has to be political; I can't think of another reason for the leniency in penalties......Added to the favourable BoP, again.

The sooner Ferrari leaves the better; they can take their toxic F1 fans with them.......

Can all the manufacturers leave and take their toxic fans with them?

[Azlan]

Were we ever told what Ferrari's technical infringement was? Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find it among the stewards' decision documents. http://fiawec.alkame...noticeBoard.php

According to Danish television it was an oil leak discovered on both cars. They were told to fix it and they managed to do so.

[Henri Greuter]

at the Nürburgring 24h I heard the Gt3 BMW being called Warzenschwein by spectators (Warthog). actually fitting BC of the tusk grill. dunno what they would have called the hypercar, Moby Dick or Walrus is my guess

 

 

 

The nickname `Moby Dick` is already taken by what is probably the most extreme example of a racing 911 with its engine behind the rear axle.

I don't think that anything ever will come close to have the right to also use this nickname

 

Porsche 935/78 „Moby Dick“

[ANF]

DOC 197 ;)
ERS Deployment.

Ah, thanks. I searched for Car 50 and 51...

Full explanation: "The Stewards have received reports from the Technical Delegate stating that cars 50 and 51 did not respect the ERS deployment speed in lap 261." (Breach of Article 5.3.2 of LMH Technical regulations.)

[Secretariat]

It seems everyone is a bit cranky. I suppose understandable if one has not had any sleep. I think the beauty of a 24 hour race is there is potential to see everything: the ebb, the flow, the good, the bad, the excitement, the tedium, good officiating, bad officiating and so on. My feeling is after dawn, it seems the officials were loathed to "interfere" with the race, particularly when it came down to the critical last 4 hours. To a degree, I can accept that. All in all, it was a very fine race in my opinion.

[Muppetmad]

Yes, I must admit that a lack of sleep contributed to my grumpiness yesterday. I remain uneasy with some of the decisions that were made by race control/the stewards yesterday, but that's racing, and in such a competitive race, there is no neutral decision.

 

With Leclerc managing to break his curse at Monaco, I have to hope Kubica will break his curse at Le Mans too. Maybe next year...

[DS27]

Something you might have missed.   

https://x.com/gran_c...177199270707703

 

 

And that was BEFORE the 4hr safety car. I wonder how nuts they went during that  

[vlado]

[registered]

Still a bit miffed about the #8 being spun around. Isn't this what in 2011 people were a bit miffed about, Peugeots making life hard for the leading Audi and they were rightly called back from doing it. Here the sister car actually made contact with the competitor car

Edited by registered, 17 June 2024 - 19:35.

[Stephane]

The contact was really unfortunate, regarding the conditions. More clumsy than intentionnal.

[Viryfan]

According to my informations regarding Alpine failures:
- those were the earliest engine failure that they had to face in terms of mileage since 2023
- those are valves failures
- they knew that the valves were a weak point and an upgrade is planned for Austin race
- they were hoping to do around 4000km before encountering technical problems

Edited by Viryfan, 17 June 2024 - 19:57.

[Silverstone96]

Just got home from Le Mans.

It was only my second visit (first being 2007!), exhausted but really enjoyed it. The race was what we hoped for being wide open into the last few hours.

The weather was challenging and have to say the size of the crowd was so big it was overwhelming, it was a real struggle to find space in the spectator areas and it never really thinned out into the night.

WEC is more popular than ever! And that’s no bad thing

Edited by Silverstone96, 17 June 2024 - 20:59.

[ferrarista]

Toyota vs Ferrari
Min weight (kg)
1053 vs 1043
Max Power below 250kph (KW)
508 vs 508
Power Gain after 250 kph
+ 0.9%(positive) vs – 1,7%(negative)
Max Stint Energy (MJ)
906 vs 889

Toyota is penalised in weight but Ferrari is penalised in power gain over 250kph and Max stint energy available. Which is beter?

Going through post race quotes, Cannizzo’s ones (Ferrari) were very interesting and affirmed clearly that BoP was far from favorable.
He basically said they had less energy/stint and less power above 250km/h (2.6% combined difference in power from your numbers) than Toyota; that made them easily attackable from Toyota in their slipstream and hadn’t enough energy to counter attack on the subsequent straight, so they had to control the gap and never allow Toyota get near them in the last two stints.

He also said Nielsen was managing the gap in the wet and responded with very fast laps when needed, so that made Toyota understand that they had reserves if needed and caused Lopez making small but decisive mistakes.

[dissident]

If anyone knows where I can find high quality/resolution pics from the race then do let me know please.

[juicy sushi]

If anyone knows where I can find high quality/resolution pics from the race then do let me know please.

Alpine, Peugeot, and Porsche all have large galleries of high resolution photos in their media centres on their websites. Toyota have some, but take a lot fewer photos. Ferrari gatekeep their photos a lot more.

[Peat]

The weather was challenging and have to say the size of the crowd was so big it was overwhelming, it was a real struggle to find space in the spectator areas and it never really thinned out into the night.
 

 

Multiple separate contacts on the ground refered to it as the 24hrs of queueing.  

[Beri]

Going through post race quotes, Cannizzo’s ones (Ferrari) were very interesting and affirmed clearly that BoP was far from favorable.
He basically said they had less energy/stint and less power above 250km/h (2.6% combined difference in power from your numbers) than Toyota; that made them easily attackable from Toyota in their slipstream and hadn’t enough energy to counter attack on the subsequent straight, so they had to control the gap and never allow Toyota get near them in the last two stints.

He also said Nielsen was managing the gap in the wet and responded with very fast laps when needed, so that made Toyota understand that they had reserves if needed and caused Lopez making small but decisive mistakes.

Yet, I recall a Toyota chasing a Ferrari, but never got passed it. It was in the later stages of the race, prior to the final pitstop sequences. Was it the #8 chasing the #51? Or were it the #7 and #50?

[Silverstone96]

Multiple separate contacts on the ground refered to it as the 24hrs of queueing.

I never seen so many queues like it, even at 1am on Saturday night we queued for ages to just scan out of the circuit and then again to get out of the car park.

Don’t want to moan as it’s a sign that the series is healthier and more popular than ever, but I would think twice about going again when you can go to other WEC races which aren’t quite so full on.

[Sash1]

According to my informations regarding Alpine failures:
- those were the earliest engine failure that they had to face in terms of mileage since 2023
- those are valves failures
- they knew that the valves were a weak point and an upgrade is planned for Austin race
- they were hoping to do around 4000km before encountering technical problems

 

Were they running higher rpm or higher turbo pressures?

[dweller23]

I never seen so many queues like it, even at 1am on Saturday night we queued for ages to just scan out of the circuit and then again to get out of the car park.

Don’t want to moan as it’s a sign that the series is healthier and more popular than ever, but I would think twice about going again when you can go to other WEC races which aren’t quite so full on.

Not sure about the attendance this year, but last year with 400k or so people there scanning out didn't take much longer than 15-20mins I'd say. I don't think I queued up for more than 30mins to any of the services either (aside from the museum - took me 2h-ish to get in there), but that might be down to the gate/area that I was in.

[vlado]

[Dan333SP]

THAT is a cool photo, wow. 

[TennisUK]

Genuinely surprised that this has never happened. I’d also expect Ferrari are one of the very few constructors able to have done so.

Mmm. Well. Alain Prost won Monaco a few times with a car with an engine made by Porsche in the back in the same year as Porsche won Le Mans…

Edited by TennisUK, 19 June 2024 - 07:58.

[Henri Greuter]

Mmm. Well. Alain Prost won Monaco a few times with a car with an engine made by Porsche in the back in the same year as Porsche won Le Mans…

 

 

Funny enough for 1984 and 1985 it can be said that this Monaco winning Porsche F1 engine was a customer job while the winning car at Le Mans in those two years was a customer car as well    

[Victor_RO]

Don’t want to moan as it’s a sign that the series is healthier and more popular than ever, but I would think twice about going again when you can go to other WEC races which aren’t quite so full on.

 

Speaking from experience this year - it's getting full at non-LM WEC races as well. I went to Spa, and the queues for food/drinks/toilets there were pretty much as bad as people describe the ones from Le Mans last week.

[Henri Greuter]

Speaking from experience this year - it's getting full at non-LM WEC races as well. I went to Spa, and the queues for food/drinks/toilets there were pretty much as bad as people describe the ones from Le Mans last week.

 

Organizers need to get used to way more interest and attendance figures because of that?

[Dara]

Speaking from experience this year - it's getting full at non-LM WEC races as well. I went to Spa, and the queues for food/drinks/toilets there were pretty much as bad as people describe the ones from Le Mans last week.

Getting onto the track wasn't bad. Tons of people blocking the entrance but the queue went fast .
4 hours later I needed something out of my car,but I couldn't leave the track because the entrance at combes was still packed with people with no path for exit left .

[juicy sushi]

Organizers need to get used to way more interest and attendance figures because of that?

It’s a very nice problem to have if this proves to be the case.

A thriving WEC is a great thing for the sport as a whole, and this time there’s no Max and Bernie to derail it.

[Henri Greuter]

It’s a very nice problem to have if this proves to be the case.

A thriving WEC is a great thing for the sport as a whole, and this time there’s no Max and Bernie to derail it.

 

Sure,

 

About the biggest danger I see right now is that with so many competitive team participating even for a facory team an 8th or 9th or so place can be deemed as decent but not being good enough for retain support from within the board rooms that care for victories.

And beware for factory teams that remain out of the point scoring positions and end up with nothing to show. How long will they continue?

[Stephane]

Depends on what that costs them. And that's where the BoP intervenes.

 

Same was said about GT3, and it's almost 20 years old now. Sure, some manufacturers come and go, but there's alwways been a good number present.

 

On the other hand, TCR works also with a BoP, and it's less successful. 

[TennisUK]

It was good to see good crowds and Spa and Imola. Even during the LMP1 peak the crowd numbers published by the ACO were visibly excruciatingly exaggerated. I was at Silverstone one year and I think they said there was 50k people there or something - utter nonsense, it was more like 10k - even accounting for the large track (and largely closed grandstands). I still think the ACO are inflating the numbers but nothing like they did before - and that in turn makes the idea of visiting Soa or Imola for a WEC race far more interesting.

It will be interesting to see if they can convince anyone to visit Austin, during LMP1 spectator numbers looked similar to a track day - I have no idea if hypercar has made enough of an impression there to help numbers - though the promise of Porsche v Ferrari may help?