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Examples when in-season development has changed the pecking order (at the front)


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#1 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 21:07

At the start of this year, it looked like Redbull had pulled another blinder, and we were in for another year of domination - but it now looks like other teams might have caught up…. And potentially leave Redbull behind.

How many times in F1 history has this happened? There was the Brawn year in 2009 (how the hell is that 15 years ago already?!) but that was quite unique as they couldn’t afford to dev the car and the other teams were all copying their philosophy.

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#2 BertoC

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 21:14

Ligier in 1979, they had the fastest car in the first part of the season but were caught up by Williams, Ferrari and Renault by the end finishing as the 3rd/4th best car.

Edited by BertoC, 21 June 2024 - 21:14.


#3 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 21:17

under the previous set of rules there was:

- no level playing field. If the dominating team had biggest budget, tough to catch

- no windtunnel penalty for winning

Current rules have baked in a degree of catch up



#4 Collombin

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 21:31

The Lotus 72 in 1970 was originally a poor car, but once they got rid of the anti-dive and anti-squat suspension it became the class of the field straight away.

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 21:40

2009 Brawn GP was quite far ahead at the start but only 3rd or 4th at the end of the season



#6 Alfisti

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 22:36

1997 and 1998

#7 pacificquay

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Posted 21 June 2024 - 22:45

1997 and 1998

1998 was largely due to Goodyear tyres being rubbish at the start of the season and great at the end.

 

And the same car won the last two races of the season as won the first two.



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Posted 21 June 2024 - 23:49

we had a long string of years after the new regs in 2014 where in season development was disappointingly small

Seems a little better the last few years



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Posted 21 June 2024 - 23:58

At the start of this year, it looked like Redbull had pulled another blinder, and we were in for another year of domination - but it now looks like other teams might have caught up…. And potentially leave Redbull behind.

How many times in F1 history has this happened? There was the Brawn year in 2009 (how the hell is that 15 years ago already?!) but that was quite unique as they couldn’t afford to dev the car and the other teams were all copying their philosophy.

 

After Monaco 1978, Patrick Depailler was leading the WDC.



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Posted 22 June 2024 - 01:00

In 1991 McLaren got the decisive advantage in first four races. Senna won all of them, then won just three out of remaining 12, including dead rubber race in Adelaide.



#11 Alfisti

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 03:03

1998 was largely due to Goodyear tyres being rubbish at the start of the season and great at the end.

And the same car won the last two races of the season as won the first two.


Right but I was right there in Melbourne and the mclaren looked a million miles ahead. By mid season it was game on.

#12 George Costanza

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 03:06

1997 and 1998 are the obvious examples.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 03:07

1998 was largely due to Goodyear tyres being rubbish at the start of the season and great at the end.

And the same car won the last two races of the season as won the first two.


And Schumacher.

#14 George Costanza

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 03:08

At the start of this year, it looked like Redbull had pulled another blinder, and we were in for another year of domination - but it now looks like other teams might have caught up…. And potentially leave Redbull behind.

How many times in F1 history has this happened? There was the Brawn year in 2009 (how the hell is that 15 years ago already?!) but that was quite unique as they couldn’t afford to dev the car and the other teams were all copying their philosophy.


The difference is Max. Like Schumacher at Ferrari. That's quite obvious.

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 05:31

1998 was because McLarens trick braking system was outlawed more than anything else wasn’t it?

#16 TauriJ

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 05:54

2005 maybe? Renault clearly fastest at the start of the season. 



#17 Rediscoveryx

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Posted 22 June 2024 - 06:07

Williams (or perhaps I should say Honda’s) ascent in late 1985 (and Ferrari’s developmental missteps) transformed that season, with implications stretching into 1986 and beyond. Prost had already sewn together the title by then though.