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[Nathan]

For the whole thing

Bugatti & Cosworth’s New 986bhp 8.3 V16 – Inside Story! (youtube.com)

 

For the sound

https://youtu.be/UmN...3HBs-ZOjWW&t=47

[Lee Nicolle]

986 hp n/a. People have made those numbers on BB Chevs for decades. And the engine is half the size dimensially. Racing engines maybe but cost about 5% of the cost of that monster. Add electric motors so waht do we have? a 140" w/b car?

[Wuzak]

986 hp n/a. People have made those numbers on BB Chevs for decades.

 
And passed modern emissions legislation?


 

Add electric motors so waht do we have? a 140" w/b car?

The wheelbase is listed as 2,740mm, which is 107.9 inches.

[Bloggsworth]

It still amazes me, at the age of 79, that there are still levels of pointlessness that I had never dreamed of...

[kikiturbo2]

It still amazes me, at the age of 79, that there are still levels of pointlessness that I had never dreamed of...

you are right of course but in the world of gazillionares the normal logic flew out long ago...  it is about experience and bragging rights, so a V16 NA makes it original in a market saturated with hyper expensive cars that get their doors blown off on the track by a Na porsche with 1/3 the power.

[kikiturbo2]

One thing that I am sort of dissapointed about is the apparent ease with which this thing was created. The original veyron was a major cluster**** for VW, with numerous concepts and it took them years to get a 1000 hp car that could pass the usual VW tests and have the driving characteristics that could manage that power. New bug? call cosworth, call brembo, call czinger, call outside suppliers specialised in carbon chassis.. and bang... here comes the car..

[gruntguru]

Yes, an engine that makes no sense in engineering terms. Compare it to the V12 gems Cosworth produced for GMA and Aston Martin.

 

Perhaps it makes sense in terms of aesthetics, sound effect and cylinder count bragging rights.

[kikiturbo2]

Yes, an engine that makes no sense in engineering terms. Compare it to the V12 gems Cosworth produced for GMA and Aston Martin.

 

Perhaps it makes sense in terms of aesthetics, sound effect and cylinder count bragging rights.

yeah... but lots of engines never made any sense... Viper V10 ? How about latest M5... 2.5 tonnes of hybrid complexity...

bug v16 is a gimick or a fashion feature.. just like most of high end watches or hypercars for that matter.. ..... 

[Beri]

you are right of course but in the world of gazillionares the normal logic flew out long ago...  it is about experience and bragging rights, so a V16 NA makes it original in a market saturated with hyper expensive cars that get their doors blown off on the track by a Na porsche with 1/3 the power.

 

Luckily Bugatti has, in recent years, never cared for circuit performance. Just plain old silliness like speed was the main factor. Include this with the attitude of "doing it differently" and some amazing cars are born. You can tell all you want, but the Veyron was and is truly a game changer that revolutionized the way car designers looked at performance. Was it purely performance and light weight before, since the Veyron exclusivity, craftmanship, level of detail, comfort and speed would be combined too. And the genre of the Hypercar was born as well.

 

This new engine defies all logic. But it is different. It is special. It is still something quirky, like the W16. And I like it. As well as the sound.

[Nathan]

It still amazes me, at the age of 79, that there are still levels of pointlessness that I had never dreamed of...

 

Motorsports is pointless, so just work your way backwards.

[Greg Locock]

"revolutionized the way car designers looked at performance" citation needed.

 

Sorry, Duesenberg is an example of a modern Bugatti type approach from 90 years ago. 

[Wuzak]

[Secretariat]

"revolutionized the way car designers looked at performance" citation needed.

 

Sorry, Duesenberg is an example of a modern Bugatti type approach from 90 years ago. 

For sure. It is interesting to look back 100 years ago or further and a lot of it is still very familiar. Electric cars, ICE cars, different fuels, high displacement engines, high horsepower (era relative), precision engineering, and so on. On one hand it is pretty cool.On the other hand, what have we really learned?

[Henri Greuter]

I wonder how much they loose on every car they make and sell to people who can afford the true price of the car anyway.

But in order to make it a bit more attractive get it for a bargan prize.

 

So people wh buy VW's, Skoda's etc are charged some more on their Polo, Golf etc to make the financial dept of the VW conglomerate happy to see some of the looses made on those Bugs being compensated.

 

Joe Average being force to allow Flynn Filthyrich have his excessisve toy at a bargain ....

[Nathan]

Because all any company has to do on their economic products is just increase the price whatever they need, a magic wand is waved, and it is granted.  Get real, man.

 

"revolutionized the way car designers looked at performance" citation needed.

 

Sorry, Duesenberg is an example of a modern Bugatti type approach from 90 years ago. 

 

What at all is similar?

 

For sure. It is interesting to look back 100 years ago or further and a lot of it is still very familiar. Electric cars, ICE cars, different fuels, high displacement engines, high horsepower (era relative), precision engineering, and so on. On one hand it is pretty cool. On the other hand, what have we really learned?

 

LOL, what?!?!  This is like saying 'what have we really learned about build homes since we were in caves?', because you know, they had walls, a roof, probably a heating source and were used for sleeping in.

[Greg Locock]

straight line speed, big mf engine, fairly nice to sit in, style over substance, OBVIOUSLY.

[Secretariat]

Because all any company has to do on their economic products is just increase the price whatever they need, a magic wand is waved, and it is granted.  Get real, man.

 

 

What at all is similar?

 

 

LOL, what?!?!  This is like saying 'what have we really learned about build homes since we were in caves?', because you know, they had walls, a roof, probably a heating source and were used for sleeping in.

I don't think so. Without getting too much in the idea that a machine/tool/convenience item is different than a shelter my point is the automobile is using similar concepts that existed and were functionally in place 100 years ago. There is a point in time where technical innovation gave way to commercial viability to essentially one type of automobile/propulsion type, etc.). I suppose pros/cons to that. To many people, concepts that are coming back as advancements/new are old ideas experiencing a renaissance. Imagine if the variety that existed then each had their technical progressions...that is where my question (what have we learned) stems from.

[Magoo]

It still amazes me, at the age of 79, that there are still levels of pointlessness that I had never dreamed of...

 

 

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