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[arrysen]

I would say 371 races of any kind makes you experienced as a competitor.

Experience is experience. As far as I can tell, Senna only started 232 car racing events, and Lauda a perhaps surprisingly low 293.

Of course, there's the old saying that you can have (in this case) 1 race's experience 371 times, OR you can have 371 race's worth of experience. If you're counting purely for the sake of "experience" then all racing would need to be allowed for, including karting.

 

All of which, in my humble opinion, is totally irrelevant- as is who was better as a wacing dwiver. 

 

I think that Danica is a good pundit, adds something to the broadcasts and fits in well with the rest of the team, it's good to have her along for the ride.

Edited by arrysen, 31 October 2024 - 22:01.

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All of which, in my humble opinion, is totally irrelevant- as is who was better as a wacing dwiver

Yesterday I was hearing Billy Joel, today it's Elmer Fudd.

I naturally didn't mean to imply that Danica was a better racing driver.

[BRG]

As does eliminating select forms of American racing, which is truly moving the goalposts, then complaining about bias...as usual. loki never used the term "better", you did.

True perhaps, but loki DID say "Her record puts Chandhok’s record to shame. " which is just a more roundabout way of saying "better", ain't it Jim?

 

The clear implication in loki's original post was that  Patrick was a better pundit than Chandhok or Davidson because of all her experience.  Somehow this has morphed into some bizarre claim that she was a better racing driver.

[loki]

This is the only possible let off for her being hired: Appealing to a U.S. audience. But Sky isn't broadcast to the U.S. is it? Don't they get F1 from ESPN or something? The other possibility is eye candy. But best choice of actual pundit out of a pool of nearly a thousand, she is most definitely far from.

 

Anyway, my in depth psychological and statistical appraisal post in reply to PAYR is now deleted. The last thing I have time for right now is another rabbit hole on an internet forum.

Sky F1 is what ESPN/ABC broadcasts.  We get FP and quali mostly on cable, sometimes streaming only if it’s a busy sports day and the race on either ESPN or ABC.  Then we get the other programming, the notebooks and the pre and post race shows on streaming and everything on demand.  So your Crofty is our Crofty.  For better or worse.

[loki]

True perhaps, but loki DID say "Her record puts Chandhok’s record to shame. " which is just a more roundabout way of saying "better", ain't it Jim?

 

The clear implication in loki's original post was that  Patrick was a better pundit than Chandhok or Davidson because of all her experience.  Somehow this has morphed into some bizarre claim that she was a better racing driver.

I said she had more starts than two of the other commentators.  You then chastised me for making wild claims.  Math is math.  Don’t like stock cars even though it’s top level professional racing?  Big time open wheel only it’s 119 Indycar starts with some good runs at the 500.  And a race win, 7 podiums and 3 poles.  Davidson 24 starts, Chandhok 11 starts.  No wins, podiums or poles.  Testing is not racing.  Respectable but not racing.

 

The point isn’t she’s a better commentator.  The point is she is experienced enough to be a commentator as much as anyone in the booth or paddock from Sky.   Or in the entirety of motorsport.  Lizard people or not.

[DJH63]

I said she had more starts than two of the other commentators.  You then chastised me for making wild claims.  Math is math.  Don’t like stock cars even though it’s top level professional racing?  Big time open wheel only it’s 119 Indycar starts with some good runs at the 500.  And a race win, 7 podiums and 3 poles.  Davidson 24 starts, Chandhok 11 starts.  No wins, podiums or poles.  Testing is not racing.  Respectable but not racing.

 

The point isn’t she’s a better commentator.  The point is she is experienced enough to be a commentator as much as anyone in the booth or paddock from Sky.   Or in the entirety of motorsport.  Lizard people or not.

I have always struggled with having Chandhok as a pundit when his racing career amounted to winning a regional championship with only 6 drivers, 80 races in GP2 and half a season miles off the pace in F1 as a favour to his dad who was putting the Indian GP on the calendar.

 

Now of course you don’t need to be a top racing driver to be a driver coach for example, in fact many professional driver coached achieved nothing in racing, however people would rightly question having Sean Gelael or Ralph Boschung pop up on Sky F1 telling us what Verstappen, Norris and Hamilton are doing wrong yet Chandhok is apparently fine to do so based upon no career standing.

[PayasYouRace]

Calling Karun Chandhok a batter racing driver than Danica Patrick is a bold claim, with the greatest respect to Karun.

[BRG]

  The point is she is experienced enough to be a commentator as much as anyone in the booth or paddock from Sky.   Or in the entirety of motorsport.  Lizard people or not.

 

A point on which we both agree.   So why do you find it necessary to make dubious comparisons between her career and those of Chandhok and Davidson?  

 

If the total number of race starts is the only criteria that matters* , there must be a lot of people more "qualified" than Patrick (or Chandhok or Davidson or even Brundle)

 

*  PS - it isn't.

[B Squared]

I'm glad Brundle has at least run one of the modern cars for first-hand impressions to relate to the viewing public. As much as I personally like David Hobbs, I found it very hard to accept his interpretation of driving a car that he was decades removed from having experience in.

Edited by B Squared, 01 November 2024 - 11:38.

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I'm glad Brundle has at least run one of the modern cars for first-hand impressions to relate to the viewing public. As much as I personally like David Hobbs, I found it very hard to accept his interpretation of driving a car that he was decades removed from having experience in.

There was a classic moment during the 1980 British GP when Murray's co-commentators were James Hunt and Jackie Stewart. JYS made a comment about a driver using his rear view mirror to check on a deflating tyre, and Hunt said that whilst you might have been able to see the rear tyres in the mirror in Jackie's day, you couldn't these days. JYS then politely pointed out that he had driven a modern GP car the previous day, and yes you could!