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[gillesfan76]

That’s true, but it’s likely that one team will find a significant edge. Even more so if they’re changing engines. But I do agree that having smaller, lighter cars and simpler PUs will be good but I hope they don’t keep changing it too often. Give a regulation set enough time and we should get convergence deep into the grid, beyond just 3 teams.

[Bendo]

6 laps earlier

Ahh. But what were Merc doing with the suggestion of inters then when they should have been able to the Charles going backwards.

[garoidb]

Was interesting to see at the track that (before he went and won the thing!), Lewismania was dead. I mean, there was a few caps around, but Silverstone belonged to Norris this year. Couple guys at the merch stalls said the Norris/McLaren gear was by far the best sellers this year, and they weren’t shifting much Hamilton or Merc merch.

After the race they likely sold out of his limited run Brit GP cap

Was funny seeing them trying to flog die cast Perez cars on the cheap in the F1 megastore post race. Stacking them high for a tenner each Get them sold before he’s booted

 

Surely a lot of Lewis's longtime fans would already have loads of caps or t-shirts with the Lewis/Mercedes affiliation, and know they are going to be buying the Lewis/Ferrari ones new next year too! I can understand deciding to wait for a whole new wardrobe next year 

[Marklar]

I was at the Austrian GP last week and the McLaren shirts and caps were a close second to the Dutch Army/RBR, far ahead of Ferrari or Merc. It werent necessarily Norris fans though but loads of people (especially young girls) that had caps of Piastri and shirts of Norris, or vice-versa. I reckon this young dynamic combination (on top of Brown moving them away from their sterile self of the Dennis era) is really helping in this regard.

[chrcol]

Just watched it on F1TV.

 

Wow during that first set of rain, and early 2nd set of rain, the onboards were a beauty to watch, no grip, couldnt put foot down without back trying to go out, it felt like I was watching 2008 all over again, a brilliant race to watch, and it also felt the cream was rising during those positional swaps as well during the first rain.

 

Reminder to me the current slick tyres have too much grip, and because of short life drivers dont push, but in the wet conditions could see they were.

[SenorSjon]

Perez stopped for a FL attempt. With used softs, he got a 1.29.7.

 

It was only the 6th fastest lap of the day while he and Sainz were the only ones with a dedicated pitstop for this. Sainz won it with a 1:28.3. Piastri and Verstappen were 4,5 and 6,5 tenths behind that without having stopped for softs.

[thefinalapex]

Perez stopped for a FL attempt. With used softs, he got a 1.29.7.

It was only the 6th fastest lap of the day while he and Sainz were the only ones with a dedicated pitstop for this. Sainz won it with a 1:28.3. Piastri and Verstappen were 4,5 and 6,5 tenths behind that without having stopped for softs.

Thats quite damning, his time is up although he has the toughest seat in the field imo.

[Boing 2]

Put Hulkenberg in the 2nd Red Bull seat, the guys doing great things in a Haas.

[krapmeister]

Put Hulkenberg in the 2nd Red Bull seat, the guys doing great things in a Haas.

Agree but he has signed with Sauber/Audi

[sketchy2001]

Hydraulics use oil.

 

Literally taken from the Ancient Greek for 'water' and 'pipe', hence the humourous comment you responded to ;-)

[P123]

Thats quite damning, his time is up although he has the toughest seat in the field imo.

 

He was doing well though.  0.35s off Max... exactly where he should have been aiming at.  And then he fell off a cliff and much like last season, all a bit bizarre.

[RekF1]

I missed this yesterday. Alonso looks so confused to see Brad Pitt. https://x.com/formul...0kuoi0pzLw&s=19

[PayasYouRace]

Literally taken from the Ancient Greek for 'water' and 'pipe', hence the humourous comment you responded to ;-)

Not in “engineer speak”.

[KWSN - DSM]

And this is how rain always makes for better races than the bone-dry versions with little actual strategy, with little actual racecraft by the drivers.

[Myrvold]

From the buildup thread…



Did anyone play those Lotto numbers I gave?

Too many for EuroJackpot regular numbers, and too few for the national one.

If not, I would've. I played the numbers PaYR wrote last year.
Didnt get me millions, but what would be roughly 10 GBP after conversion.

[selespeed]

Perez stopped for a FL attempt. With used softs, he got a 1.29.7.

 

It was only the 6th fastest lap of the day while he and Sainz were the only ones with a dedicated pitstop for this. Sainz won it with a 1:28.3. Piastri and Verstappen were 4,5 and 6,5 tenths behind that without having stopped for softs.

 

he did...but Verstapen held a fastest lap during those laps so i don't know if Sergio even had a real go for a fastest  lap...

[Autodromo]

Hindsight, the best super power to have. 

 

However, the double stack as blindly obvious to everyone but the team. 

Martin B was calling both of these in real time.  He was astounded that Piastri wasn't slowing down for a stacked stop ahead of the pits and pointed out how much room he had to slow down without impeding Hamilton behind him.  Brundle was also mentioning how much better of a tire situation Lando had than Lewis with the brand new softs.  

[Autodromo]

 

On the second paragraph re. Fernando, I think what Lewis said in the post-race interview with Jenson really resonates. He said how difficult it is to stay motivated when not in a position to win. He’s mentioned before how much difficult the fitness and training aspect is with age, and Fernando has said the same, they have to work both smarter and harder on the fitness. Then getting up each day to put the time and effort in. Us in our armchairs look at their gilded lives and simplistically think that getting paid millions of dollars to do what you love should be motivation enough, but we’re not in their shoes. That is, above all, what I admire most about both Alonso and Lewis. That after having achieved so much, especially Lewis, that they can put in such great commitment.

I agree, but then my thoughts turn to someone like Hulkenberg and how he has managed to stay motivated for so long while never having anywhere near the success of those two.  He's only three years younger than Lewis.  It's almost more impressive to me.

[1player]

Hindsight, the best super power to have.

However, the double stack as blindly obvious to everyone but the team.

Not even hindsight, the engineer literally told Lando "we have a medium, the other teams only have a soft and a hard" only to completely forget about it and asking Lando who does he want to cover. ?!

Why are they even asking him that, on the spot? The goal is to win, and the tyre to choose is the fastest one which would have put Lewis and potentially Max in a bad spot: the medium. Put that in the bloody computer and go with the plan.

I knew, the pit wall knew, but they had to ask the only guy that was a bit overwhelmed and busy at the moment.

By the way, I wonder if it's only Lando's engineer afraid of making decisions, because I don't seem to remember Oscar's engineer always asking which tyre and dessert will he want for dinner.

Edited by 1player, 08 July 2024 - 12:30.

[KWSN - DSM]

Poor calls in changing weather, teams do it... Zandvort last season had them all over the place as well.

[SenorSjon]

Not even hindsight, the engineer literally told Lando "we have a medium, the other teams only have a soft and a hard" only to completely forget about it and asking Lando who does he want to cover. ?!

Why are they even asking him that, on the spot? The goal is to win, and the tyre to choose is the fastest one which would have put Lewis and potentially Max in a bad spot: the medium. Put that in the bloody computer and go with the plan.

I knew, the pit wall knew, but they had to ask the only guy that was a bit overwhelmed and busy at the moment.

By the way, I wonder if it's only Lando's engineer afraid of making decisions, because I don't seem to remember Oscar's engineer always asking which tyre and dessert will he want for dinner.

 

Well, indecisiveness has cost Piastri a shot for the win at the first round of stops. He ended up 12,5s behind Hamilton and only 5 behind Norris. He has lost at least 15-20s by doing the extra wet lap on slicks.

[sketchy2001]

Psychologically, I think this is going to do wonders for him. 

 

 

Remember this would be his first win since Abu Dhabi 2021.

 

Interesting that many people seem to think that you were referring to SLH's last win rather than just the negative experiences of AD'21 :-) 

[gillesfan76]

Interesting that many people seem to think that you were referring to SLH's last win rather than just the negative experiences of AD'21 :-) 

 

For me, and many, he won AD21.

[PayasYouRace]

Please don’t do this re: Abu Dhabi 21.

[Taxi]

For me, and many, he won AD21.

 Yeah for me Max also won Silverstone and Baku that year. We can live in delusion, of course. 

 

Sorry for the OT. 

 

Loved to see Lewis win, though. He deserves it. 

Edited by Taxi, 08 July 2024 - 15:39.

[aportinga]

McLaren really screwed up this race for both drivers. As I understood - Lando chose the softs but I think the team should have forced the mediums.

 

That said - I wanted Lewis to win this race. It was awesome too see the emotion and the crowd treated to the best Brit out there. Hope Mercedes can continue this pace in the second half od the season.

[RekF1]

Someone uploaded my favourite moment on twitter. https://x.com/Khurti...Zq8OhSOo4w&s=19

[gillesfan76]

Someone uploaded my favourite moment on twitter. https://x.com/Khurti...Zq8OhSOo4w&s=19

 

I love how he doesn’t suck up to the powers that be. These people have significant power and control over his results and can influence that in ways we saw 3 years ago, whether intentional or not. It may not be the smartest thing for Lewis to not care about those consequences but I still admire him for not kowtowing to them.

Edited by gillesfan76, 09 July 2024 - 06:18.

[peroa]

I love how he doesn’t suck up to the powers that be. These people have significant power and control over his results and can influence that in ways we saw 3 years ago, whether intentional or not. It may not be the smartest thing for Lewis to not care about those consequences but I still admire him for not kowtowing to them.

MBS will be gone after his stint with the FIA and nobody will give a flying about him after that.

HAM is too old for it to care.

[AlexPrime]

I love how he doesn’t suck up to the powers that be. These people have significant power and control over his results and can influence that in ways we saw 3 years ago, whether intentional or not. It may not be the smartest thing for Lewis to not care about those consequences but I still admire him for not kowtowing to them.

It's a bit strange, because MBS was not team boss during AD 21

[FirstnameLastname]

This is cute:

https://www.facebook...mibextid=UalRPS

KMag misses someone wanting an autograph and his little girl tugs on his shirt and gets him to go back to sign

[ANF]

Someone uploaded my favourite moment on twitter. https://x.com/Khurti...074892412330415

That's a pretty annoying behaviour from MBS to stand there and wait to have a chat with Hamilton when he clearly wanted to be left alone and let his ninth Silverstone win sink in.

There was a similar scene in Miami that annoyed me at the time: Norris had just taken his first F1 win and was obviously very emotional. Right after the post-race interviews in parc fermé he had to travel to the podium in a golf cart, because the podium was on the opposite side of the Hard Rock Stadium. But first he had to walk for a bit to get to the golf carts, and for a brief moment he was all by himself and could let his first grand prix win sink in – had it not been for MBS who appeared to have caught up with Norris and was seen walking right next to him and chatting non-stop about God knows what until Norris got to the golf carts.

You would never see Jean Todt do that.

[monolulu]

It's a bit strange, because MBS was not team boss during AD 21

I would imagine every Lewis fan will remember MBS words “ there will be no forgiveness “. Plenty of history there.

[Sterzo]

Yes, that “there will be no forgiveness" was after Hamilton failed to attend the FIA prize giving in 2021, and Bin Sulayem condemned him for it and threatened punishment. How to make friends and influence people. And Lewis did shake his hand rather than spit on it.

[Beri]

This is cute:

https://www.facebook...mibextid=UalRPS

KMag misses someone wanting an autograph and his little girl tugs on his shirt and gets him to go back to sign

 

This is why kids should rule the world. They have the best perspective in whats important and lack any prejudice. 

[FirstnameLastname]

I was on the pit straight post race when Hamilton scaled the wall to celebrate with the crowd. There was a kid on the wall with a hat and a pen begging Lewis to sign it, but he pretended he couldn’t see him. It was great of Lewis to be there; and he must get tired of hearing his own name and being begged - but he could have made that little boys year and given him such a mega memory. Probably a multitude of reasons why he decided to not, but it looked pretty bad.

[gillesfan76]

It's a bit strange, because MBS was not team boss during AD 21

 

No I don’t think his aversion to MBS has anything to do with AD 21. Don’t think anyone is claiming that.

[gillesfan76]

I was on the pit straight post race when Hamilton scaled the wall to celebrate with the crowd. There was a kid on the wall with a hat and a pen begging Lewis to sign it, but he pretended he couldn’t see him. It was great of Lewis to be there; and he must get tired of hearing his own name and being begged - but he could have made that little boys year and given him such a mega memory. Probably a multitude of reasons why he decided to not, but it looked pretty bad.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=M_UKktjwwj0

Right at the end. I don’t think he ignored the kid, it looked like he acknowledged the kid but he was perched up on the wall and the kid had his pen in the same hand as the hat, but hidden behind the hat. It was only just visible from the low camera angle. Right after that moment, Lewis gets down and interacts directly with some fans on the ground just on the other side of the fence, looks like he let them take a photo close up. I think Lewis has been as generous with his fans as any driver so can’t see it as intentional but only he knows for sure. He’s never come across as a Kimi.

[FirstnameLastname]

https://www.youtube....h?v=M_UKktjwwj0
Right at the end. I don’t think he ignored the kid, it looked like he acknowledged the kid but he was perched up on the wall and the kid had his pen in the same hand as the hat, but hidden behind the hat. It was only just visible from the low camera angle. Right after that moment, Lewis gets down and interacts directly with some fans on the ground just on the other side of the fence, looks like he let them take a photo close up. I think Lewis has been as generous with his fans as any driver so can’t see it as intentional but only he knows for sure. He’s never come across as a Kimi.

I was about 4 people from Lewis at that point, I’ve got a vid from the other side. I just watched it back, the kid maybe unwittingly pissed Lewis off, he whacks Lewis on the hand with the hat to try and get his attention, and Lewis just blanks him. There were a few mechanics packing up the pitwall gantry and they tried to alert Lewis but he had made his mind up I think.

Again, to be fair, there was 100,000+ people trying to get his time/attwntion. Kid will still have some great photos of him so close to Lewis.

Just a shame K Mags daughter wasn’t around to help him out

[FirstnameLastname]

On a related ‘aww’ moment. On the main stage on Saturday there was a completion to drive a simulator and the winner of a 3 lap race round silverstone would win ‘a prize’. They picked a 13/14 year old lad, and a young girl and got them up on stage.

Quickly became apparent that the young lad was a pro at racing games, and I don’t think the girl had ever driven a racing game in her life. He spanked her by almost a lap


Then turned out that the prize was a paddock tour on the Saturday evening… two tickets. The lad was asked who he was here with and he said ‘my dad and brother, but they are away checking out the stalls’.

He was then asked who he’d be taking, and he offered to share the prize with the young lass, who accepted…. So they both got to go together.

The host pointed out that the dad was probably gonna be pissed off to miss out on the chance and the lad replied ‘well he should have been here then’

[DW46]

On a related ‘aww’ moment. On the main stage on Saturday there was a completion to drive a simulator and the winner of a 3 lap race round silverstone would win ‘a prize’. They picked a 13/14 year old lad, and a young girl and got them up on stage.

Quickly became apparent that the young lad was a pro at racing games, and I don’t think the girl had ever driven a racing game in her life. He spanked her by almost a lap


Then turned out that the prize was a paddock tour on the Saturday evening… two tickets. The lad was asked who he was here with and he said ‘my dad and brother, but they are away checking out the stalls’.

He was then asked who he’d be taking, and he offered to share the prize with the young lass, who accepted…. So they both got to go together.

The host pointed out that the dad was probably gonna be pissed off to miss out on the chance and the lad replied ‘well he should have been here then’

Well played son 👏

[AlexPrime]

I would imagine every Lewis fan will remember MBS words “ there will be no forgiveness “. Plenty of history there.

Forgot about that. 

[JeanAlesi27]

I was at the Austrian GP last week and the McLaren shirts and caps were a close second to the Dutch Army/RBR, far ahead of Ferrari or Merc. It werent necessarily Norris fans though but loads of people (especially young girls) that had caps of Piastri and shirts of Norris, or vice-versa. I reckon this young dynamic combination (on top of Brown moving them away from their sterile self of the Dennis era) is really helping in this regard.

 

It's the power of Papaya.

[JeanAlesi27]

Not even hindsight, the engineer literally told Lando "we have a medium, the other teams only have a soft and a hard" only to completely forget about it and asking Lando who does he want to cover. ?!

Why are they even asking him that, on the spot? The goal is to win, and the tyre to choose is the fastest one which would have put Lewis and potentially Max in a bad spot: the medium. Put that in the bloody computer and go with the plan.

I knew, the pit wall knew, but they had to ask the only guy that was a bit overwhelmed and busy at the moment.

By the way, I wonder if it's only Lando's engineer afraid of making decisions, because I don't seem to remember Oscar's engineer always asking which tyre and dessert will he want for dinner.

 

I think they've acknowledged they eff'd up,  BUT asking Lando what tyre is idiotic because the team has all the data and team at the factory to determine this..   It's not like a driver being asked about inters or slicks.

 

Whatever,  Lewis won and it's history.  Fine consolation for a long drought for him and his fans,  and at Silverstone for the 9th time to boot.   

Edited by JeanAlesi27, 09 July 2024 - 17:25.

[FirstnameLastname]

I was at the Austrian GP last week and the McLaren shirts and caps were a close second to the Dutch Army/RBR, far ahead of Ferrari or Merc. It werent necessarily Norris fans though but loads of people (especially young girls) that had caps of Piastri and shirts of Norris, or vice-versa. I reckon this young dynamic combination (on top of Brown moving them away from their sterile self of the Dennis era) is really helping in this regard.

Yep, the young crowd at Silverstone were out in force for Lando/Piastri too. Hamilton was old news, until he went and won.

[Mishvili]

Is it fair to say that some of the discussion about Lando's tire choice has overlooked one other key factor ie. the fact that he screwed up his stop?

 

They were expecting to come out ahead of Lewis, which is specifically why the choice was framed as "covering Lewis vs covering Verstappen".  There surely is no chance that he would have been going onto soft if he thought he would be behind Lewis.  On the other hand they would have been concerned that mediums would have left him vulnerable to a Lewis overtake within a couple of laps.

 

And having then opted for the soft, i presume part of the subsequent different in performance between him and Lewis was because he killed his tires trying to stay with him whereas Lewis was managing his to get to the end of the race.

[sketchy2001]

Not in “engineer speak”.

 

You an "engineer" then?  As an engineer, I can confirm that modern hydraulic systems are implemented with specific oils but that doesn't change that the original 'hydraulic fluid' was water.

 

Hence the humour in conflating "a water system failure" with hydraulics ;-) 

[PayasYouRace]

You an "engineer" then? As an engineer, I can confirm that modern hydraulic systems are implemented with specific oils but that doesn't change that the original 'hydraulic fluid' was water.

Hence the humour in conflating "a water system failure" with hydraulics ;-)

I am an engineer. You don’t have to explain it to me.

[FirstnameLastname]

https://x.com/sim374...jNzYI1wHgQ5OZzw

This is a great super cut of the BGP

[SophieB]

Please make a race build up thread, someone. Ideally one of our Hungarian posters.