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[Collombin]

Is 1983 missing from the spreadsheet? Patrese scored just over 22% of Piquet's points (13/59), although that was more due to terrible reliability rather than lack of driver performance.

He's only showing the top 70.

Maybe the full list could be shown by making it just one row per year (ie select the most obvious teammate for each season, by total starts or points percentage or whatever).

[midgrid]

Thanks!  For some reason I read "from 70 onwards" as "earlier than 1970". 

[Alexis*27]

It's actually a more simple a decision than it looks.

 

Either Checo has not met the performance clauses in his contract and he's out.

 

Or he has met the performance clauses and it will cost a lot of money to replace him.

 

If it's the latter, it's Red Bull's own idiocy that has left them unable to kick out an underperforming driver.

 

I can't see that happening. 

 

They've made their decision. They just can't announce he has not met his performance before the season's end, especially with the roster of sponsors that would kick off.

 

If they can't afford to remove a driver because it would cost too much in lost sponsorship, they're not a real racing team. They're Forti.

Edited by Alexis*27, 14 November 2024 - 13:28.

[pdac]

Can we make it to a run of 20 posts without the word "Perez" occurring?

 

(oops, I just mentioned it)

[FirstnameLastname]

Can we make it to a run of 20 posts without the word "Perez" occurring?

(oops, I just mentioned it)

Perhapez

[SenorSjon]

Does Max even WANT a teammate that would compete for a WDC with him?

 

Yeah, there are plenty Max-level drivers around waiting for the 2nd RB seat. Oh wait.

[lewislorenzo]

Does Max even WANT a teammate that would compete for a WDC with him?

Of course not

[DJH63]

Does Max even WANT a teammate that would compete for a WDC with him?

 

 

Of course not

That driver doesn’t exist…..

 

Of course they want someone who can be an effective wingman though, it makes their life easier

[lewislorenzo]

That driver doesn’t exist…..

Guess we will never know…

Maybe not beat him but make his life difficult at least. There’s a few

[expert]

Here me out... Horner's flirtation with Colapinto was just a ploy to get more money out of Checo's sponsors...

[expert]

I’d like them to embrace their dark side and announce Magnusson. He’s hard nosed, plays for the team, cheap, free, and has attitude

They already have Lawson for that.

[Ruusperi]

P16 in quali. I have no words anymore.

[Massa_f1]

P16 in quali. I have no words anymore.

 

Unfortunately he can be as slow as that week after week season after season, because Red Bull can't seem to find a quick 2nd driver 

[barnardferrari]

It seems his form is sustainable.

[Coral]

Surely Perez must be replaced now? I don't know what Red Bull are thinking by keeping him on.

[ensign14]

By now though doesn't it go to team morale if nothing else?  They will all miss out on a WCC bonus thanks to Perez.

[katmen]

vomit inducing....... devaluating team........

 

Sphere knows it  everybody knows it, but papa Perez and Perez not, Per  should save the face and retiire immediately

 

Give Tsu chance to save face for Red Bull

 

Horners failure team is clown show

Edited by katmen, Today, 07:35.

[sterlingfan2000]

Tsunoda deserves that seat. Even Ecclestone said that but Horner never will take him

[Laster]

Unfortunately for them the other mooted options that have been talked about didn't do great either (albeit outqualified Perez again.) Colapinto in the wall totaling another car. He's gotten points and looks to be able to challenge Albon but the errors are big.

Lawson has outqualified Tsunoda once, and hasn't looked anywhere close to him so far this weekend. In qualifying the big error where Perez struggles, Lawson also seems to struggle.

& they refuse to consider Tsunoda at all anyway, so him making Q3 doesn't matter.

Really feel Red Bull shoot themselves in the foot with who they are willing to consider for the seat and who they don't. They could have had Sainz, but refused because he *might* disrupt team harmony with Max. They seem to to have not even considered putting Bottas in there, and that's basically all the options covered.

They've made a real mess of that second seat, and Horner should be getting flack for it since it is ultimately his choice who drivers there.

On the other hand as a viewer it is always good to have one of the top cars performing poorly. It opens the door for a great result for another driver and team.

Edited by Laster, Today, 07:41.

[Cyanide]

I wish I had the job security that Perez has.

[Cyanide]

Red Bull are 3rd in the WCC. If Perez stayed home for every race, RB would still be in third. He's not worth the gasoline they put in the car.

[gowebber]

They may as well play the Benny Hill music on the broadcast every time Perez is driving on the track, it's a complete comedy show.

Edited by gowebber, Today, 07:46.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Tsunoda into Q3 again and beat a McLaren and a Mercedes but he won’t even get a chance, diabolical stuff from Red Bull.

[FNG]

Unfortunately he can be as slow as that week after week season after season, because Red Bull can't seem to find a quick 2nd driver

They can easily. They choose not to. Not because of competition for Max but all kinds of various factors.

Sainz was a no brainer

[Dalton007]

They can easily. They choose not to. Not because of competition for Max but all kinds of various factors.

Sainz was a no brainer

 

Sainz was the guy to get, despite the differences, you gotta put the egos aside and get the best driver you can. 

[Clrnc]

Sainz was the guy to get, despite the differences, you gotta put the egos aside and get the best driver you can. 

Sainz was never an option due to his differences with Max. You can't afford to have a driver that will take points off Max. 

 

They want a clear 2nd driver. 

[DJH63]

Sainz was never an option due to his differences with Max. You can't afford to have a driver that will take points off Max. 

 

They want a clear 2nd driver. 

He was never an option for both RB and Mercedes for the same reason - he would only discuss a multi year deal and both RB and Mercedes feel the same way Ferrari do that he’s not someone you build a team around.

[Nemo1965]

https://imgur.com/a/8KlT5XW

[PayasYouRace]

Red Bull are 3rd in the WCC. If Perez stayed home for every race, RB would still be in third. He's not worth the gasoline they put in the car.

That is surprising. I though Mercedes would have been closer.

[Deeq]

They can easily. They choose not to. Not because of competition for Max but all kinds of various factors.
Sainz was a no brainer

In universe where Sainz is available there is no valid excuse not to take him.
They not only hade better options they hade the best option and declined.

Sainz was never an option due to his differences with Max. You can't afford to have a driver that will take points off Max.

They want a clear 2nd driver.

Uh oh.. sorry you are right.
They are not but are acting it seems like Verstappen appreciation society, hence they wont win WCC(their raison d'etre).

Edited by Deeq, Today, 09:04.

[SenorSjon]

They tried to lowball Sainz and he didn't took the bait.

[expert]

Give the drive to Yuki. C'mon.

[garoidb]

In universe where Sainz is available there is no valid excuse not to take him.
They not only hade better options they hade the best option and declined.
Uh oh.. sorry you are right.
They are not but are acting it seems like Verstappen appreciation society, hence they wont win WCC(their raison d'etre).

 

Sainz could be their top target for when/if Max leaves, particularly if none of the new batch don't make the leap in time. That might be a better time to get him.

[Disgrace]

Horner's antics, losing Newey as a result, boardroom bickering, the season that Perez is putting together. Max is singlehandedly saving this team from being a major embarrassment.

[garoidb]

Horner's antics, losing Newey as a result, boardroom bickering, the season that Perez is putting together. Max is singlehandedly saving this team from being a major embarrassment.

 

Do we know that Newey left as a result of Horner's situation? How do we know?

[Disgrace]

Do we know that Newey left as a result of Horner's situation? How do we know?

 

We don't, it's just my view that it's not a coincidence that Newey, Wheatley, and Courtenay are all leaving as the team has descended into political infighting.

 

Edited to add: we do have AMuS/BBC reporting.

Edited by Disgrace, Today, 10:39.

[garoidb]

We don't, it's just my view that it's not a coincidence that Newey, Wheatley, and Courtenay are all leaving as the team has descended into political infighting.

 

How do we know that is not fundamentally driven of the power vacuum created by Dieter Mateschitz's death? I'm not saying that anything about Horner's transgression was untrue, or overinflated or misrepresented. However, attributing all these consequences to it seems like wishful thinking rather than logical or based on anything anyone has said, though. 

Edited by garoidb, Today, 10:41.

[Massa_f1]

They should just swap Perez and Yuki for the last 2 races. I really don't know why they won't even consider it. Gasly and Albon were dropped for way less.

 

Anyone is better than Perez.

[Dalton007]

Sainz was never an option due to his differences with Max. You can't afford to have a driver that will take points off Max. 

 

They want a clear 2nd driver. 

 

The second driver has to be motivated, though.

 

Carlos would give Max a hard time from time to time, but probably won't win a WDC. I get the issues with Max, but who else is gonna be reliable in the second car? They seem reluctant to promote Yuki.

[dissident]

Now I actually want him to stay just to see how far Horner is willing to go with this. 

[PayasYouRace]

How do we know that is not fundamentally driven of the power vacuum created by Dieter Mateschitz's death? I'm not saying that anything about Horner's transgression was untrue, or overinflated or misrepresented. However, attributing all these consequences to it seems like wishful thinking rather than logical or based on anything anyone has said, though.

Surely that power vacuum is exactly why the team has descended into political infighting. The Horner “affair” being a symptom of it too.

[Larunss]

Red Bull are 3rd in the WCC. If Perez stayed home for every race, RB would still be in third. He's not worth the gasoline they put in the car.

Same story for last season, Max won the WCC single-handedly.

This is now beyond a joke. A total disgrace!
Last year there were still a few "strong recovery drives" and the odd decent quali, but now he's consistently failing.

He's now got 4 kids I believe. Must have earned some cash aswell. Got some trophies. He had a gift from RBR saving his career after the Strolls made their move.
He's now spent 4 years in WDC winning cars, 2 of those bring pretty dominant.

So there is no reason for mercy. Sack him so he can spend more time with his family!

And get Tsunoda out of that Toro Rosso! Either promote him, or sack him if hes not good enough.

But I guess Christian will just offer another 2 year contract extension up to 2028, just to take some pressure off!

[Victor]

They should just swap Perez and Yuki for the last 2 races. I really don't know why they won't even consider it. Gasly and Albon were dropped for way less.

 

Anyone is better than Perez.

Perez brings a lot of money. He is currently a pay driver.

[JL14]

Perez brings a lot of money. He is currently a pay driver.

The money Perez brings is probably more in sales in Latin America (Red Bull and merchandise) than direct sponsorship money.

[Laptom]

Does Max even WANT a teammate that would compete for a WDC with him?

Yes.
First, he said it multiple times that it doesn't matter who drives besides him. Secondly, Perez was not his first choice as teammate.
Thirdly, he even asked, after some rough races, that things would be easier with a solid team mate next to him. He is always fighting alone and for competition it was too easy to come close without Perez stealing points.
Fourthly, he really wished Riciardo would succeed at RB, although this was maybe the only one who could get close to him.
Fifthtly, RB is losing money for upgrades with the damage Perez is causing with crashes.

Edited by Laptom, Today, 18:39.

[AV1]

Yes.
First, he said it multiple times that it doesn't matter who drives besides him. Secondly, Perez was not his first choice as teammate.
Thirdly, he even asked, after some rough races, that things would be easier with a solid team mate next to him. He is always fighting alone and for competition it was too easy to come close without Perez stealing points.
Fourthly, he really wished Riciardo would succeed at RB, although this was maybe the only one who could get close to him.
Fifthtly, RB is losing money for upgrades with the damage Perez is causing with crashes.

 

You can add "helping competition by revealing several floors due to his crashing" 

[Carsey]

I wonder if the money Perez is bringing in (with ford being american) is helping the engine programme for 2026 with some ££££'s

[pdac]

It's a two-way thing - the team has to find a driver that suits their needs and a driver has to be willing to want to do the job that the team are offering. It's not as simple as this driver is fast, so the team should get him.