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[kayemod]

The latest annoying cliches, especially during the Goodwood commentary are ‘get the car stopped’, ‘get the car rotated’ or constant reference to the car numbers and not the drivers nor the car as you’d get in banger racing. All a part of the general over enthusiastic high pitched dumbing down of ….everything! 

 

I only watched the TV programme, I knew from past experience that whichever bright young duo were presenting, a bare 60 minutes or thereabouts with ad breaks was as much as I'd be able to stomach. The commentary such as it was, proved to be even worse than in previous offerings with endless uninformed and overenthusiastic witter of the kind we've been moaning about since this thread started.

 

Don't think I'll ever get used to the constant references to 'overcut' and 'undercut' that pepper any commentary of motor sport these days. My wife suggested that the terms might have come from a childrens' TV series from many years ago, does anyone remember "The Wombles?"

 

All together now,  ♫  Undercut overcut, Wombling free... ♫

[john aston]

Remember that our generation probably infuriated our forefathers by our own newspeak - such as saying that a driver was  IN a car and not ON it, or  wittering on about understeer and oversteer, turn in , NACA ducts and Gurney flaps - enough to give Bill Boddy a fit of the vapours. 

 

Language evolves quicker than  we do . We accept without question everything we hear until we hit middle age and then we start to grump. Tempus fugit .  

[Nick Planas]

 

Language evolves quicker than  we do . We accept without question everything we hear until we hit middle age and then we start to grump. Tempus fugit .  

I recall asking a theatre manager to retrieve my (iPad) charger from the orchestra pit - I told him it was a white charger on the floor by my stand. He pointed out with a chuckle that 30 years earlier he'd have been looking for a large horse...

[Sterzo]

Remember that our generation probably infuriated our forefathers by our own newspeak

I mean, you know...

[Doug Nye]

So, like, then, from the get-go, in front of the boxes, as long as the launch is good, we send one up the inside into Turn 1, max retardation, with bias to the front axle for turn-in bite we commence rotation, balance it in to claim the apex, manage initial understeer, transfer to oversteer on exit, manage that rear end instability, floor it, eyeball the short straightaway to Turn 2, consider tyre management, check mirrors of course in order not to disrespect your rivals, two hundred metres, anchor at fifty, rotate, turn in, understeer, oversteer, front axle, back axle, front nose, correction, oops - no front nose - not much rear tail - inversion - and ...

 

...vanish up your own (jargon to choice).

 

And almost all upon a genuine craptrack...  

 

Apart from which it still remains all generally as riveting as it has ever been.

 

DCN (flush rivets these days, admittedly, in place of dome heads)

 

PS - For 'brake' I had used the word 'r-e-t-a-r-d' but whenever I posted this response it appeared on TNF as ****** which I guess is another simple sign of changing times, changing sensitivities.  Ho hum - how inconvenient that our wonderful English language has so many words with dual meanings - and out-of-context inferences which spark varying attitudes, suspicions and sensitivities.

 

Edited by Doug Nye, 28 September 2024 - 13:18.

[Sterzo]

 

PS - For 'brake' I had used the word 'r-e-t-a-r-d' but whenever I posted this response it appeared on TNF as ****** which I guess is another simple sign of changing times, changing sensitivities.  Ho hum - how inconvenient that our wonderful English language has so many words with dual meanings - and out-of-context inferences which spark varying attitudes, suspicions and sensitivities.

I think the spelling of 'brake' on the forum fell off the cliff early doors and was undercut by 'break' which now has the offset and track position. That's retardation for you.

Edited by Sterzo, 28 September 2024 - 15:01.

[BRG]

All together now,  ♫  Undercut overcut, Wombling free... ♫

I never did really get  my head around undercut and overcut.  

 

Wombling, now that I understand.  We did cross-country running on Wimbledon Common when I was at at school.  Recently, a medical consultant started quizzing me about that - where did I finish near the front, the middle or the back.in cross-country  It was 60 years ago, doctor, how should I remember??  But I definitely undercut some of the others.

[E1pix]

My first and angry interpretation of Doug’s comments is, Well, “Language is ******, to which I reply “It sure ******* is.”

Sometimes proper English doesn’t fully cover certain emphases, Sorry.


Seriously, I find every part of what’s happening to words and communications *unprecedentedly troubling*, if not nearly debilitating.

Here, Apple just launched a major, new AI announcement campaign. The entire ad revolves around a cheeky young woman coming off better in a business meeting by LYING that the insight and knowledge she has is *hers* and being DAMNED PROUD of it.

A signature I sometimes use elsewhere is:
AI empowers us to steal, cheat, spread illiteracy, and destroy others
Love means Nothing in Tech and Tennis

Why waste the time to learn ANYTHING these days?

**** AI.

[F1matt]

My first and angry interpretation of Doug’s comments is, Well, “Language is ******, to which I reply “It sure ******* is.”

Sometimes proper English doesn’t fully cover certain emphases, Sorry.


Seriously, I find every part of what’s happening to words and communications *unprecedentedly troubling*, if not nearly debilitating.

Here, Apple just launched a major, new AI announcement campaign. The entire ad revolves around a cheeky young woman coming off better in a business meeting by LYING that the insight and knowledge she has is *hers* and being DAMNED PROUD of it.

A signature I sometimes use elsewhere is:
AI empowers us to steal, cheat, spread illiteracy, and destroy others
Love means Nothing in Tech and Tennis

Why waste the time to learn ANYTHING these days?

**** AI.

 

 

The problem with Ai is that it has a little disclaimer at the bottom regarding fact checking, after I had finished a finance exam earlier this year for CPD I ran it through ChatGPT which promptly failed the exam (which surprised me as it wasn't that hard) but I wondered how many people hadn't bothered to go through the course work and just put the questions through AI and then were shocked to find out they had failed? I appreciate AI will get better but it is always worth taking the name to gain and digest the knowledge, it makes us much better company when spending time with others. 

[Charlieman]

I've just been watching the F1 2010 Season Review DVD which features Fernando Alonso describing the crucial Italian GP lap before he pits. Not a single use of "overcut" but lots of straightforward "overtakes". It was a lovely lap when viewed over his shoulder too. 

[Ray Bell]

I hope nobody asks me...

 

I'm still trying to understand 'highsiding' in bike racing.

[Doug Nye]

If you've ever experienced it - you will most emphatically understand it...

 

DCN

[Ray Bell]

I like to think I'm not that silly, Doug...

 

Though others hold different opinions.