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[pup]

Right with what? He wasn’t backing up his claims with any meaningful arguments

Oh, please. They’ve lost their star designer, much of the staff below him. Jos is taking shots at Horner at will. He’s saddled the team with a very risky engine situation going forward. Max is reported to have an out in his contract. At least two teams have equal to better cars. And Wolff has both the will and resources to steal him away.

Horner better be afraid of Max. He’d be a complete fool not to. So yeah, he needs to be soothing his ego on the radio at every turn. He needs to be friggin offering him foot massages after the race for everyone to hear.

Edited by pup, 19 July 2024 - 13:34.

[Nobody]

Shouldn't the title be:

 

Zak Brown is critical of Red Bull in interview

 

The interview is clearly not about Red Bull
 

[Risil]

Shouldn't the title be:

 

Zak Brown is critical of Red Bull in interview

 

The interview is clearly not about Red Bull

 

Brown probably talked a lot about his cat and his dinner plans in the interview as well, but the majority of the quotes that made it into the article are about Red Bull.

[pup]

Wait, Brown’s a cat person? Ok fine, I’ll join the hater club too.

[sketchy2001]

There is this perception that people think Verstappen doesnt admit to his mistake and that people need to point this out. He got a penalty. He knows he was in the wrong. What other words are there to converse to add to this? His initial reactions were blown up in the media when he was asked right after the race about the inchident. Who wouldnt fume? Surely Lando did and no one is batting an eye over what he said.

 

It is called racing. Mistakes can happen. Grow up Brown and just be quiet and let your people do the work with you quietly munching away your hot dogs. Because your people bring McLaren forward. Not you. So stop pretending that you are important in a company that you even do not own nor really control.

 

Does he?  The only message that appears to have made it to the audience is that it was a stupid and undeserved penalty - reinforced by GP and Horner.  

 

Does that sound like someone who knows they are wrong or does that sound like someone that believes that the arbiters made a mistake but accepted that trying to correct that mistake was not worth the effort?

 

What he really thought, and does now, is something only he, as an individual, knows.  Maybe it is unwise to attribute our beliefs as knowledge. 

[sketchy2001]

Who do the drivers have an obligation to to admit to their mistakes? Not me. Not you. So he will not tell it to the media. But like any normal human being; once you have been penalized, you will contemplate on what you did and if it was wrong. And the mere fact that there are no subsequent interviews by any Red Bull employees who are clearly undermining and/or questioning the penalty at hand, one can safely assume that Verstappen and Red Bull both know it was not the right action on track.

 

No one can't.  Accepting a penalty is not the same as accepting the reason why the penalty was applied.

[sketchy2001]

So what was the $100,000,000 fine for? You can't fine someone for no reason.

 

There WAS a reason.  As Bernie said, $5mil for someone in Mc having possession of Ferrari IP and $95mil for Ron being a ****!   (in Max's eyes - the other Max)

[RekF1]

Of course you’re free to voice your opinion, but personally I think Brown is right about Red Bull being afraid of Max. I don’t think Max and Lando’s relationship have anything to do with Brown’s opinion at all.

I wonder if it's a message to Lando too? Maybe he thinks they're too friendly.

[Counterbalance]

I wonder if it's a message to Lando too? Maybe he thinks they're too friendly.

Quite possibly.

[DW46]

Oh, please. They’ve lost their star designer, much of the staff below him. Jos is taking shots at Horner at will. He’s saddled the team with a very risky engine situation going forward. Max is reported to have an out in his contract. At least two teams have equal to better cars. And Wolff has both the will and resources to steal him away.

Horner better be afraid of Max. He’d be a complete fool not to. So yeah, he needs to be soothing his ego on the radio at every turn. He needs to be friggin offering him foot massages after the race for everyone to hear.

I think we can all agree Max doesn’t want a Horner foot rub.

[MikeTekRacing]

Oh, please. They’ve lost their star designer, much of the staff below him. Jos is taking shots at Horner at will. He’s saddled the team with a very risky engine situation going forward. Max is reported to have an out in his contract. At least two teams have equal to better cars. And Wolff has both the will and resources to steal him away.

Horner better be afraid of Max. He’d be a complete fool not to. So yeah, he needs to be soothing his ego on the radio at every turn. He needs to be friggin offering him foot massages after the race for everyone to hear.

Red Bull have 6 constructors and 7 driver titles in 13 years, possibly adding some more to those this year.

The team changed engines from Cosworth, Ferrari, Renault and Honda these years. This is a privateer team, a sugared drinks company, started on Jaguar's skeleton and rebuilt from ground up.

Newey is a big loss, but personnel changes after 13 years are normal. At some point people move on, at some point Horner himself will move on. 

 

Afraid of Max? The only reason Max has an out is, reportedly, because another director in the company signed an addendum that gave their star driver an out. That's Horner's biggest problem.

 

As to Max - he'll move on at some point too. 

[kumo7]

ok Red Bull is a successful team. the teams respect their achievements and prefer to remain silent, with the perspective that those who kept quiet given spaces.
Zak says what is to be said, but the teams dislike it, due its perspective.

[pup]

Red Bull have 6 constructors and 7 driver titles in 13 years, possibly adding some more to those this year.

Past, future. Don’t confuse the two - Max won’t.

[MikeTekRacing]

Past, future. Don’t confuse the two - Max won’t.

Past and present. He is leading the title race in a Red Bull

[JeanAlesi27]

This thread gives you wings.. 

[sketchy2001]

Personally, I think Zak Brown is a pompous prick but that doesn't mean I can't agree with him on some things.  I think that it is unhealthy for the sport that RBR presents a united front (in public) that Max does no wrong.  I don't believe it is good for Max or the sport in the long term.

 

Imo it is no different to Schumacher before and Senna before that, both of whom normalised a more aggressive and unsportsmanlike approach to racing (again imo).  We now argue about who was an angstrom ahead at the apex, where the apex is, etc, rather than accept that not leaving space for competition has killed racing and led to such gimmicks as DRS, push2pass pr whatever they invent next to avoid actually improving racing standards.

 

Then again, there are people on this forum that think black and white rules, like track limits, are the problem and blame the stewards rather than recognise that it is the driver's responsibility to stay within the bounds of the track...