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[red stick]

It had to happen. There's the first blush of a new relationship. (Hybrids debut at Mid-Ohio! Everybody but Scott Dixon amazed!)

There's the reality as the relationship settles in. (Hybrids at Iowa reveal multiple flaws in the system's operation. My GOD! What have we done? And if you can sit on the pole without the system deploying, WTF?)

And now, as IndyCar heads north of the border for its final street race of the season and first race solely viewable on its streaming platform, Peacock (Are we on FOX yet? No? Well, cr@p . . .), we wait to see what surprises the technological threshold, such as it is, holds next for our valiant warriors.



INDYCAR TORONTO WEEKEND SCHEDULE, all times U.S. EDT.
FRIDAY, JULY 19
9-10 a.m.: Radical Cup practice
10:15-10:45 a.m.: USF2000 practice
11-11:30 a.m.: USF Pro 2000 practice
11:45 a.m.-12:25 p.m.: Sports Car Championship Canada practice
1-1:25 p.m.: Radical Cup qualifying
1:40-2 p.m.: USF2000 qualifying
2:15-2:35 p.m.: USF Pro 2000 qualifying
3-4:15 p.m.: IndyCar practice (Peacock)
4:30-4:50 p.m.: Sports Car Championship Canada qualifying
5:05-5:40 p.m.: Radical Cup Race 1

SATURDAY, JULY 20
9:10-9:30 a.m.: USF2000 qualifying 2
9:45-10:05 a.m.: USF Pro 2000 qualifying 2
10:30-11:30 a.m.: IndyCar practice (Peacock)
11:45 a.m.-12:25 p.m.: Sports Car Championship Canada Race 1
12:40-1:25 p.m.: USF2000 Race 1
1:40-2:15 p.m.: Radical Cup Race 2
2:45-4:15 p.m.: IndyCar qualifying (Peacock)
4:30-5:15 p.m.: SF Pro 2000 Race 1

SUNDAY, JULY 21
8-8:40 a.m.: USF2000 Race 2
8:55-9:35 a.m.: USF Pro 2000 Race 2
10-10:30 a.m.: IndyCar warmup (Peacock)
10:45-11:25 a.m.: Sports Car Championship Canada Race 2
11:40 a.m.-12:15 p.m.: Radical Cup Race 3
1:30 p.m.: Ontario Honda Dealers Indy Toronto (85 Laps/151.81 miles, Peacock)

COMMAND TO START ENGINES: 1:23 p.m.
GREEN FLAG: 1:30 p.m.


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Defending winner Christian Lundgaard shares what he knows.




Top Five, 2023.
Lundgaard
Palou
Herta
Dixon
Newgarden

Top Five, 2022.
Dixon
Herta
Rosenqvist
Rahal (!)
Ericsson

Fun Fact:
Dixon also won two prior street races this year, at Long Beach and Detroit, and has four wins at Toronto, the most of any active driver. O'Ward won the other street course event this season, at St. Petersburg, following Newgarden's disqualification.

In: Hunter McElrea, as the Dale Coyne Driver of the Week (DOTW) saga continues.

In/back: Toby Sowery, same, different funding.

Back: Christian Rasmussen, since his boss only borrows the car for ovals.

Cleared: Sting Ray Robb, after last week's wild ride.

Out: Leigh Diffey.

In: Kevin Lee, who has been quite good. There, I said it.

Out: IndyCar, on hiatus for the Olympics, reappearing next on August 16 for the oval at Gateway.

Edited by red stick, 19 July 2024 - 13:45.

[FLB]

[jonpollak]

Well done on the Kevin Lee opinion reversal!!!
I’m a fan as well.

Hoping he’s hired by FOX somehow
Jp

[Risil]

Hooray! Ontario!

[jonpollak]

Also…
This event is and will forever be The Andrew Hope Memorial Race.

Jp

[red stick]

Also…
This event is and will forever be The Andrew Hope Memorial Race.
Jp

Word.

[amerikalei]

In order to avoid news feeds while doing some unimpressive auto repair work and later making dinner, I enjoyed listening to the Dalton Kellett DwR interview this evening.  Between memories of live Rush on vinyl delivering Lakeside Park live, and laughing to myself about the legendary Andrew Hope Toronto pre-race post (which only came to my attention some years later through the good offices of this forum), it felt like a good complement.  His quip about Pato's loose "hair on fire" setup approach in IndyLights (now IndyNecks) was worth a chuckle.

 

https://dinnerwithra...dalton-kellett/

[loki]

It’s aboot time this race is happening, eh…

[red stick]

Anybody planning on being on the ground in Toronto?

[markpenske]

Anybody planning on being on the ground in Toronto?

I'm considering going Sunday only. It's about a 2 hour drive

[paulb]

Cool OP, what’s not cool is the Cock, Not Broadcasting indyCars.

 

Would love for Dixon to dominate qualifying and the race. I will settle for a race win only.

[jonpollak]

I thought the entire weekend was onThe Cock, exclusively???
Jp

[red stick]

I thought the entire weekend was onThe Cock, exclusively???
Jp

Paul is a Peacock holdout.      You are correct, sir.

[jonpollak]

Oh he means the Big Cock.

Copy

Jp

[red stick]

Cool OP, what’s not cool is the Cock, Not Broadcasting indyCars.

 

Would love for Dixon to dominate qualifying and the race. I will settle for a race win only.

Thanks, but it is mostly a "It's Thursday afternoon and nothing's up" kind of OP.  Not quite as short notice as last week.  I had something more elaborate in mind, but the week got in the way.  And nothing would have been as good as the classic Andrew Hope version, anyway.

 

Afterburner set the bar high with the St. Pete OP.  Hard to keep up!

[red stick]

I'm considering going Sunday only. It's about a 2 hour drive

We'll have to see if we get any bargeboard reports later today.

[amerikalei]

In an odd convergence of IndyCar passion, local/regionally informed race threads, and out of the blue serendipity, a local news station ran this story in conjunction (in my mind..?) with this weekend's Canadian street race:

 

https://www.wmur.com...e-2024/61636163

 

Seemed like another chance to lament the lack of a NE IndyCar race, either in Loudon, or (my dream) at the Pease Tradeport (former SAC airbase) in Portsmouth, NH.

 

Might have to see if that Hot Mess food truck is serving up these healthy snacks in the gun range parking lot this weekend, before coming home to watch the race. 

[red stick]

Poutine has once again entered the conversation!

Edited by red stick, 19 July 2024 - 18:13.

[paulb]

Oh he means the Big Cock.

Copy

Jp

Yup. I was enraged    by the Peacock only coverage, so my play on words was obfuscated.

[red stick]

Another Canadian interlude.

The point standings heading into the weekend, after listening to waaaay too much Gordon Lightfoot.

 

Palou (379)  Let's steal away in the noonday sun.  It's time for a summertime dream.

Power (344)  The rain can touch me, but can I touch the rain?  So much to lose, so much to gain.

O'Ward (327)  Rainy day people all know there's no sorrow they can't rise above.

Dixon (322)  Sometimes, I think it's a sin, when I feel like I'm winning when I'm losing again.

McLaughlin (314)  And when the show is over, there's a holiday motel. And another empty bottle and another tale to tell.

Herta (300)  When you reach the part where the heartaches come, the hero would be me.  But heroes often fail.

Kirkwood (274)  And so we tried, never too close, never too near, dyin' in time.

Rossi (265)  Cause movin' is my stock in trade, I'm movin' on.  I won't think of you when I'm gone.

Newgarden (247)  Picking up the pieces of my sweet shattered dream.

[red stick]

Just under two hours (one hour, 55 minutes) to IndyCar practice.

[H0R]

Besides the fact that silly continental me is still amazed by the efficiency to pronounce a 7-letter city name in  two syllables the amount of famous people from Tronno is nothing but mind blowing:

 

Somers, Harry (Composer)

Angotti, Lou (Hockey Player)

Thorson, Lina (Actress)

Orr, Hugh (Flutist)

O'Connor, Gordon (General)

O'Shea, Kevin (Hockey Player)

Overs, Kieran (Jazz Musician)

[prommer]

Goodness, this once-hot hybrid tech is cooling faster than the supercapicitors are discharging themselves. How many weeks before Lord Kelvin makes an appearance?

 

Afterburner set the bar high with the St. Pete OP.  Hard to keep up!

 

It's so high I can no longer even see the bar!

[prommer]

Besides the fact that silly continental me is still amazed by the efficiency to pronounce a 7-letter city name in  two syllables the amount of famous people from Tronno is nothing but mind blowing:

 

Somers, Harry (Composer)

Angotti, Lou (Hockey Player)

Thorson, Lina (Actress)

Orr, Hugh (Flutist)

O'Connor, Gordon (General)

O'Shea, Kevin (Hockey Player)

Overs, Kieran (Jazz Musician)

 

At first I thought that was a completely random list of famous people. Then suddenly, I realized they are indeed the seven most important people.

[red stick]

Goodness, this once-hot hybrid tech is cooling faster than the supercapicitors are discharging themselves. How many weeks before Lord Kelvin makes an appearance?

That Second Law of
Thermodynamics makes Catch
Twenty-Two look tame.

[Alfisti]

Anybody planning on being on the ground in Toronto?

I usually take the kids to fan friday but the product just has not been what it was maybe 5 or so years ago. The track and cars are the same but the infield fun things were really cut back around 2019ish and never recovered. Plus TBH the transit situation in Toronto is such a ****ing mess I can't be arsed dealing with it. 

[jonpollak]

Goodness…..

It's so high I can no longer even see the bar!

Like the 13 year olds that came bouncing into the pub last night with their fake ID’s and their footstools in rucksacks to see over the bar.

Jp

[jonpollak]

I heard Pato’s spotter passed away last night.

Jp

[jonpollak]

McElrea is another Kiwi !!!
Can ya believe it !!
Jp

[loki]

Yup. I was enraged    by the Peacock only coverage, so my play on words was obfuscated.

Or on track NoBody’s Canadian…

 

Siegel could pass as a Canadian.  He seems like a polite young man.

[Disgrace]

Looks like Rossi might have hurt himself in that crash, he kept his hands on the wheel.

[Disgrace]

Oops, Lundqvist does the same thing on his outlap.

[Jim Thurman]

Besides the fact that silly continental me is still amazed by the efficiency to pronounce a 7-letter city name in  two syllables the amount of famous people from Tronno is nothing but mind blowing:

 

Somers, Harry (Composer)

Angotti, Lou (Hockey Player)

Thorson, Lina (Actress)

Orr, Hugh (Flutist)

O'Connor, Gordon (General)

O'Shea, Kevin (Hockey Player)

Overs, Kieran (Jazz Musician)

There are tons of regional and local dialects around North America, which can lead to things like differing pronounciations (and terms like "axe you a question while you stand on line"), but I've never heard it pronounced in two syllables    Three, sure. Then again, rs can tell you about Nawlins and there is Loooville.

 

Hey, I remember Kevin O'Shea! He played a year with the San Diego Gulls in the old Western Hockey League! But, to be fair, there is a much larger list of (some) better known folks, some of whom aren't hockey players    

[Jim Thurman]

And just for the record, Gordon Lightfoot was from Orillia, Ontario, Canada, which is a ways from Toronto.

 

Oh, and good job on all the Gord lyrics in the points rundown, red stick 

[paulb]

Besides the fact that silly continental me is still amazed by the efficiency to pronounce a 7-letter city name in  two syllables the amount of famous people from Tronno is nothing but mind blowing:

 

Somers, Harry (Composer)

Angotti, Lou (Hockey Player)

Thorson, Lina (Actress)

Orr, Hugh (Flutist)

O'Connor, Gordon (General)

O'Shea, Kevin (Hockey Player)

Overs, Kieran (Jazz Musician)

Famous in Canada? Apologies, but I have not heard of any of them. 
 

Any Session 1 results?

Edited by paulb, 19 July 2024 - 20:30.

[jonpollak]

Me neither….
The only Canuck that matters is my muse.
And Greg Moore.

Jp

[red stick]

And just for the record, Gordon Lightfoot was from Orillia, Ontario, Canada, which is a ways from Toronto.
 
Oh, and good job on all the Gord lyrics in the points rundown, red stick 

Where did he die, Jim?

[D28]

Where did he die, Jim?

Toronto, Like many musicians he moved there for professional reasons.

Edited by D28, 19 July 2024 - 21:43.

[red stick]

Thanks, I was teasing our good Mr. Thurman, but my interest was based on something other than residency. In any event, I don't know any Rush songs. No, not really that one, either.

[red stick]

O'Ward's late spotter honored.
https://www.motorspo...ronto/10636319/

[Cig35]

Broken thumb for Rossi, replacement for the rest of the weekend to be announced.

[maximilian]

Ironic.

 

Let it be Askew. 

[krapmeister]

Broken thumb for Rossi, replacement for the rest of the weekend to be announced.

Wonder if Mclaren have the balls to ask Pourchaire to sub?

[red stick]

Wonder if Mclaren have the balls to ask Pourchaire to sub?

TK promised to keep him in mind, no?

[jonpollak]

Broken thumb for Rossi, replacement for the rest of the weekend to be announced.

Cig.
Been meaning to tell ya…
Nice work in the Fantasy game.
Jp

[Jellyfishcake]

What a miserable week that has turned out to be for Rossi, the McLaren fuel strat and now a broken thumb and not racing

[jonpollak]

The anvil is STRONG in Indycar.
Jp

[krapmeister]

What a miserable week that has turned out to be for Rossi, the McLaren fuel strat and now a broken thumb and not racing

Plus the losing his seat just before that as well. But things have a tendency to come in 3s, so he's probably in the clear now!

[FLB]

Ironic.

 

Let it be Askew. 

He's on the list according to Nathan Brown: Nathan Brown sur X : "Here’s what we know at the moment about @AlexanderRossi’s injury & how @ArrowMcLaren may proceed this weekend. Known potential replacements on the ground in Toronto include: Askew, DeFrancesco, Pedersen & Kanaan. Pourchaire is back in France. https://t.co/osR2aVapjw" / X

[red stick]

Plus the losing his seat just before that as well. But things have a tendency to come in 3s, so he's probably in the clear now!

That's inconsistent with his "cautiously pessimistic" ethic . . .