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[FirstnameLastname]

https://www.motorspo...oject/10640483/

Oooh, USF1 mk2

Andretti AND USF1 on the horizon?

[pup]

Mmmmm, toast.

[Muppetmad]

If Andretti can't get a place, then this project is a non-starter.

[F1matt]

I am looking forward to when he announces more details, such as the SPAC he will use to fund the operation and the power unit that Pontiac are going to produce for him. Go Otmar!

[Beri]

Even if the team is getting serious notes, it is still Szafnauer at the helm. Underwhelming to say the least.

[KWSN - DSM]

I want names, I want numbers, I need to understand how there is a US team better than Andretti ready to enter F1.

[LolaB0860]

Only two mandatory things are required:

1) Pay 1 billion dollar bribe fee to Liberty

2) Pay further 1 billion dollars to existing teams for anti-dillution cartel fund

 

Two optional things if those are not enough:

3) Bring in Bradd Pit and/or Tom Cruise as "brand ambassador" and have their face slammed to everything

4) Say Andretti is a big poo poo head

 

Final thing if everything else fails:

5) Just buy Williams or Sauber or Toro Rosso or Renault or Force India or Haas (and probably still be forced to pay bribe on top of it)

Edited by LolaB0860, 30 July 2024 - 13:36.

[WonderWoman61]

This has got to be a joke.

[midgrid]

If Andretti can't get a place, then this project is a non-starter.

 

I think the treatment of Andretti has been appalling, but it would be darkly funny if this entity gets an entry over them.

[FLB]

Are we April, 1st?

[FullThrottleF1]

Lol Andretti can't get in so this guy has no chance

[STRFerrari4Ever]

https://www.motorspo...oject/10640483/

Oooh, USF1 mk2

Andretti AND USF1 on the horizon?

What a throwback, I know that it will have the same fate as the previous USF1 entry attempt.

[FullThrottleF1]

I'm sure Liberty media will make sure to kick Otmar out of their little club

[STRFerrari4Ever]

If Andretti, a potential entry with GM backing and major investors backing it can’t get the 11th slot, a Szafnauer led team hasn’t got a snowballs chance in hell to achieve an entry.

It’s unfortunate that F1 is now a cartel that brazenly insults its fans about why new teams cannot enter currently. Like I’ve said in the Andretti thread, we wouldn’t have McLaren and Williams nowadays if these current characters were around in the 60s and 70s.

[markpenske]

""Szafnauer with some suggesting that Andretti has not helped its cause by being so vocal about the way it has been treated.""

Translation:  Andretti should just shut-up about the way they were treated"

[pup]

I want names, I want numbers, I need to understand how there is a US team better than Andretti ready to enter F1.

 

Well, you're no fun.  I want none of those things.  I want empty promises.  Overblown expectations.  Grand schemes.  I want Windsor back, Stefanivic by his side, with William Storey sponsorship and Eric Boullier as a special advisor.  Entertain me, Omar.

[BoDarvelle]

I think the treatment of Andretti has been appalling, but it would be darkly funny if this entity gets an entry over them.

 

I'd laugh while bathing in Andretti tears.

[AustinF1]

If Andretti can't get a place, then this project is a non-starter.

Well, logically, one would certainly think so. But it's F1, so who knows ...

[aportinga]

Well, logically, one would certainly think so. But it's F1, so who knows ...

 

I would think if Otmar and his group get in, that opens the door for some serious legal challenges from Andretti that F1 would find impossible to get past. Therefore they both get in or nothing IMO.

 

Unless GM switch alliances which leaves Andretti in quite a different position.

Edited by aportinga, 30 July 2024 - 17:06.

[ATM]

Anyway that's one more headache the teams and FOM could do without. I doubt that Szafnauer will be able to build a real team from scratch as Andretti did though, so coming up with a lame excuse to keep him out should be easier.

[Beri]

Only two mandatory things are required:

1) Pay 1 billion dollar bribe fee to Liberty

2) Pay further 1 billion dollars to existing teams for anti-dillution cartel fund

 

Two optional things if those are not enough:

3) Bring in Bradd Pit and/or Tom Cruise as "brand ambassador" and have their face slammed to everything

4) Say Andretti is a big poo poo head

 

Final thing if everything else fails:

5) Just buy Williams or Sauber or Toro Rosso or Renault or Force India or Haas (and probably still be forced to pay bribe on top of it)

 

[Nathan]

Szaf is working for Liberty.  Knowing he has to come with a new auto maker, he will approach GM knowing they will deny him.  Liberty will use this to demonstrate GM isn't really facing entry hardship.

 

Edited by Nathan, 30 July 2024 - 19:03.

[Baddoer]

I wanna USF1 toaster

[ATM]

That's vintage issue by now; considering its rarity and peculiar building circumstances it should be the Bugatti of second hand toasters.

[MattPete]

Well, you're no fun.  I want none of those things.  I want empty promises.  Overblown expectations.  Grand schemes.  I want Windsor back, Stefanivic by his side, with William Storey sponsorship and Eric Boullier as a special advisor.  Entertain me, Omar.

 

...and to be run out of a pizzeria in Salt Lake City.

[Gareth]

Do the prospective team he’s working with go to the same school as Oscar Piastri’s contract?

[Sterzo]

While Otmar Szafnauer has achievements to his name, there is no place in F1 for someone so difficult to spell.

[Secretariat]

If Andretti can't get a place, then this project is a non-starter.

Normally it would be a slam dunk agreement. But given Maffei, allegedly told Mario Andretti, "I will do everything in my power to see that Michael [Andretti] never enters Formula 1," the cynic in me says this conveniently timed disclosed proposal or dare I say "rival" proposal will be shepherded and nurtured and will serve to educate Andretti how to kiss the rings with your hat in hand, but in the other hand, have a billion dollars to stuff in their pockets. No surprise we have Szafnauer with previous ties to Alpine who might be gearing up for a sale of assets. Nevertheless, he has hedged his comments by talking about 11th and 12th teams.

Edited by Secretariat, 30 July 2024 - 21:44.

[ANF]

Well, you're no fun.  I want none of those things.  I want empty promises.  Overblown expectations.  Grand schemes.  I want Windsor back, Stefanivic by his side, with William Storey sponsorship and Eric Boullier as a special advisor.  Entertain me, Omar.

[r4mses]

Not buying it until Peter Windsor takes us on a video tour through their soon-to-be workshops. 

[Gambelli]

This is on par with the rumored Australian F1 team operating out of Eastern Creek that was 'announced' in the mid 90's

[NCB619]

So obviously looks like there's interest in the States to bring an F1 team actually based there in (trying to make a distinction from Haas here).

 

In saying that, makes it even more baffling that Andretti was blocked out. What are they waiting for, Elon Musk or Google to invest or something?

[loki]

[ATM]

Jan Magnussen? I don't see the connection.

[PayasYouRace]

Jan Magnussen? I don't see the connection.

Jan Lammers, obviously.

[FullThrottleF1]

I'd laugh while bathing in Andretti tears.

I think we found a FOM members account here

[FullThrottleF1]

Normally it would be a slam dunk agreement. But given Maffei, allegedly told Mario Andretti, "I will do everything in my power to see that Michael [Andretti] never enters Formula 1," the cynic in me says this conveniently timed disclosed proposal or dare I say "rival" proposal will be shepherded and nurtured and will serve to educate Andretti how to kiss the rings with your hat in hand, but in the other hand, have a billion dollars to stuff in their pockets. No surprise we have Szafnauer with previous ties to Alpine who might be gearing up for a sale of assets. Nevertheless, he has hedged his comments by talking about 11th and 12th teams.

Everyone is overthinking this. It's about money and power. Simple

[jonpollak]

Well, you're no fun. I want none of those things. I want empty promises. Overblown expectations. Grand schemes. I want Windsor back, Stefanivic by his side, with William Storey sponsorship and Eric Boullier as a special advisor. Entertain me, Omar.

And don’t forget that toaster we were all promised.

Jp

[Secretariat]

Everyone is overthinking this. It's about money and power. Simple

Overthinking it: Perhaps.

Money and Power: Agree.

Simple: When money and power is involved, it rarely is.

[FullThrottleF1]

Well in any case. I hope they let Otmar down easily this time

[HistoryFan]

Andretti has no chance, so a unknown team has no chance as well.

[noikeee]

It would be somewhat funny if he gets in, just to see the mental gymnastics from everyone in F1 to justify why this entry and not Andretti's. I still think someone important had a grudge against Andretti.

Personally I just want more cars and don't really give a **** who it is, Andretti, Szafnauer, whoever, unless it's horribly uncompetitive or the funds for it come from massively unethical sources.

Edited by noikeee, 05 August 2024 - 18:51.

[HistoryFan]

yes, let 13 teams and 26 cars race.

[PayasYouRace]

yes, let 13 teams and 26 cars race.

 

Let's have more than 13 teams, and the fastest 26 cars race.

[Paahto]

unless it's horribly uncompetitive

 

I, for one, enjoy horribly uncompetitive machinery and we're probably due a team like that. What was the last one? HRT?

 

Teams like Super Aguri, Mastercard Lola and Life do give a well-received injection of humour and chaos in my opinion. 

[Paahto]

Let's have more than 13 teams, and the fastest 26 cars race.

 

Now ye'er talkin'! And pre-"pre qualifying".

[eibyyz]

I still think someone important had a grudge against Andretti.
 

 

Where's Ron Dennis these days?

[Clatter]

Let's have more than 13 teams, and the fastest 26 cars race.

It would be good, but totally unrealistic.

[noikeee]

I, for one, enjoy horribly uncompetitive machinery and we're probably due a team like that. What was the last one? HRT?

Teams like Super Aguri, Mastercard Lola and Life do give a well-received injection of humour and chaos in my opinion.

Fair enough!

[PayasYouRace]

It would be good, but totally unrealistic.

 

I think it's more realistic than back in the late 80s. Teams get so much TV time during practice and qualifying with today's coverage, their sponsors aren't losing out that much if they don't qualify for the race. Anyway, the idea is that any new teams would be able to come in and have a go, and bump their way into the field on merit.

 

It's generally not that stable in the long term to have more teams than there are grid spaces, but it works in the short term when someone new comes along. Either they don't make it, or they push someone else out. I think Jordan was the epitome of that. They began in F1 when pre-qualifying was a thing, and they were good enough that after half a season they were out of the pre-qualifying group and eventually finished 5th. It might not be that easy nowadays, but things haven't changed that much since Haas made their debut, and they did a reasonable job right off the bat too.