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#51 Pullman99

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Posted 03 February 2025 - 10:24

Just to keep this thread up to date, the Mercedes-Benz W196 streamliner was sold at Stuttgart for €51,155,000 EUR last Saturday, 1st February.   This has obviously set new auction records for a Grand Prix car and also makes it the second most expensive car sold at auction.  More details from RM Sotheby's below:

 

https://rmsothebys.c...erm=W196Results

 

This is the first of the batch to find a new owner (wonder to whom it was sold).   Next up is the Masten Gregory /Jochen Rindt Ferrari 250LM, winner of the 1965 Le Mans 24 Hours, on the 4th / 5th February at The Louvre.



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#52 Collombin

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Posted 03 February 2025 - 10:47

This is the first of the batch to find a new owner (wonder to whom it was sold). Next up is the Masten Gregory /Jochen Rindt Ferrari 250LM, winner of the 1965 Le Mans 24 Hours, on the 4th / 5th February at The Louvre.


Don't tell Doug that the blurb cites the Oct 2020 issue of Motor Sport as a point in FAVOUR of the Hugus myth!

#53 Pullman99

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Posted 03 February 2025 - 14:46

Don't tell Doug that the blurb cites the Oct 2020 issue of Motor Sport as a point in FAVOUR of the Hugus myth!

 

OK.  Promise...

 

My main interest in all of this is the ultimate fate of Spirit of America Sonic 1.     These vehicles, including the 250LM, need to be in the public domain.   Interestingly, the 250LM was driven - briefly - by Romain Grosjean whilst in the Indy Museum's care.   See You Tube piece below:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=4L9uNufzUec



#54 Pullman99

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Posted Yesterday, 09:46

This is the RM Sotheby's video on You Tube of the sale of the W196.   Wonder where it's ended up?

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=G3SVBRnySaU



#55 BRG

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Posted Yesterday, 10:07

Wonder where it's ended up?

 

 

If it is a buyer in the EU, they will now be getting stung for import duty, as cautioned in the Sotheby's blurb.  I wonder what rate of tax is levied?  If it was 10%, they will need to find another 5+ million euros!



#56 rl1856

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Posted Yesterday, 14:13

If it is a buyer in the EU, they will now be getting stung for import duty, as cautioned in the Sotheby's blurb.  I wonder what rate of tax is levied?  If it was 10%, they will need to find another 5+ million euros!

 

Not necessarily.  There are designated tax exempt storage zones in the EU where one can hold a valuable item without taking physical possession within the boarders of the EU and triggering Govt Fees.  Items are held, but not technically owned, then eventually shipped to a more advantageous location.   We have them in the US, called "foreign trade zones".  Items can enter the US, then go to the FTZ to await transportation to a final destination where import duty is levied.

Possible EU buyer can own without paying duty, just not take physical possession in the EU.  Murky and legal clarifications then take over. 

 

Of course, said buyer could donate the car to a museum and receive a tax deduction to offset import duty.  In the US, there are many private museums that are owned by the donors for all intents and purposes.  They donate their valuable items to the museum, which they control, then can use and enjoy the items as if they owned directly.   This arrangement also allows operating costs of ownership to become deductable expenses.  If you can afford to spend e50MM+ , you can afford the team of lawyers to navigate all of the above....    

 

I am surprised at the W196 sale did not surpass the Uhlenhaut Coupe or various recent GTO sales, and came in below expectations.  Wonder if Sonic 1, the 250LM and GT40 will meet expectations ?


Edited by rl1856, Yesterday, 14:35.


#57 Henri Greuter

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Posted Yesterday, 14:58

Not necessarily.  There are designated tax exempt storage zones in the EU where one can hold a valuable item without taking physical possession within the boarders of the EU and triggering Govt Fees.  Items are held, but not technically owned, then eventually shipped to a more advantageous location.   We have them in the US, called "foreign trade zones".  Items can enter the US, then go to the FTZ to await transportation to a final destination where import duty is levied.

Possible EU buyer can own without paying duty, just not take physical possession in the EU.  Murky and legal clarifications then take over. 

 

Of course, said buyer could donate the car to a museum and receive a tax deduction to offset import duty.  In the US, there are many private museums that are owned by the donors for all intents and purposes.  They donate their valuable items to the museum, which they control, then can use and enjoy the items as if they owned directly.   This arrangement also allows operating costs of ownership to become deductable expenses.  If you can afford to spend e50MM+ , you can afford the team of lawyers to navigate all of the above....    

 

I am surprised at the W196 sale did not surpass the Uhlenhaut Coupe or various recent GTO sales, and came in below expectations.  Wonder if Sonic 1, the 250LM and GT40 will meet expectations ?

 

 

The Uhlenhaut Coupe was outrageous priced. Up to lhe level of totally insane.

And of the F1 196s there are more examples in existence than a mere 2 like with the coupe. so not reaching the price of the Coupe makes sense.

 

 

A large sale in Kissimee (FL) recently was also below expectations, so who knows it is a trend.

 

But IMS Museum can't complain too much. They got the car for free as a gift and whatever they have invested in the maintanance over the years is more than compensated 

 

 

 

EDIT:  I won't be surprised if the 250LM also fails to meet the expectations: 2 years ago it was still the last ever Ferrari that had won the Le Mans 24 hours.

Since two years not anymore, taking away some of the status of the car and thus the value???


Edited by Henri Greuter, Yesterday, 15:11.