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#1 Magoo

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Posted 25 August 2024 - 13:06

With my 2020 Tesla 3 RWD approaching 47,000 miles, it was time for new tires. The OE Continental ProContacts (235/40R19) were down to 4/32" (3 mm and change) and had grown progressively noisier. By the way, that is considered exceptional tire life for a Tesla 3. Apparently I really do drive like an old woman. 

 

So I looked into the new generation of EV-specific tires and ultimately chose the Hankook Evo Ion, partially on the info in the video below from our friend Jason Fenske. These tires feature an EV-specific compound, construction, sidewall profile, and tread design, as well as a sound-damping foam insert under the tread. This was my first go with Hankook. On my daily drivers, I usually just get Michelins and forget about it. Michelin has a tire recommended for Tesla called the Cross Contact. It's reportedly very quiet, but when I look at the tread it resembles an old-school snow tire to me, so I passed. I suppose that shows what I know about tread design. 

 

After 500 miles or so, I can report that I am very pleased with the Hankook Evo Ions. Grip is indistinguishable from the Contis; on-center feel might be slightly less but they're new. Number one for me is they are astonishingly quiet. I got a 6 dB noise reduction in the cabin at 70 mph, which is a little hard to believe, but then the Contis were well worn. To be honest, noise was my arch consideration in this tire selection. EVs make very little sound elsewhere so tire noise becomes relatively deafening. 

 

Also hard to believe: I saw an apparently huge improvement in energy efficiency, from 219 Wh/mi to 191 Wh/mi average in non-highway driving. Frankly, that is hard to swallow. Something must have changed in my daily driving habits. Also, I was running the Contis at 41 psi for better ride while so far the Hankooks are at 45 psi. Anyway, this is what I've found and you might find it interesting. 

 

 


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#2 Nathan

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Posted 25 August 2024 - 22:52

That looks like a copy/paste corporate write up.. Has anyone tried regular non-ECO tires to see if they have more durability?



#3 Magoo

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Posted 26 August 2024 - 00:58

It's a sponsored video and he's obviously using their B-roll but I trust him to tell it on the level. 



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Posted 26 August 2024 - 06:54

Yes, but....

 

If it was so easy and there is absolutely no downside to tires of this construction (and rightly, hats off to Hankook) why are gas engined car tires so shite in either, roadholding, comfort, noise, rain dispersement etc. I have yet to see an independent test where any one tire score top mark in all categories. There is ALWAYS a trade of. And he fails to tell us for this specific tire.



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Posted 26 August 2024 - 11:20

If you are allowed to drive with 200km/h tyres, then the Michelin tyres the Highland are fitted with are a good choice.
Tesla lowered the top speed on the Highland to be able to run tyres with a lower resistance!

#6 Magoo

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Posted 26 August 2024 - 11:34

If you are allowed to drive with 200km/h tyres, then the Michelin tyres the Highland are fitted with are a good choice.
Tesla lowered the top speed on the Highland to be able to run tyres with a lower resistance!

 

Which Michelin tire is that? 



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Posted 26 August 2024 - 16:40

I have 32k miles on my LR model Y and I think I have about 10-15k miles in them max.
I'll keep a close eye on replacement. Had 2 flat tyres with nails, rotated the tyres front->back about every 10k miles.

I drive a lot of highway, I don't push them too hard in corners (try to take care of my safety score for FSD) but I do launch pretty often (doesn't affect safety score so i do it)



#8 Greg Locock

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Posted 28 August 2024 - 16:14

"why are gas engined car tires so shite in either, roadholding, comfort, noise, rain dispersement etc" Because tires are an engineered compromise. There is no magic solution that delivers everything to every customer. Typically we use a radar plot for various attributes, and as you push for (say) longer life, then dry lateral grip will reduce. If you want wet weather grip, dry road noise will increase. And so on and so on. In particular our glorious government pushes for reduced driveby noise, of which tire noise is the dominant component these days. To reduce that we have to reduce wet road long grip. So team nuff-nuff are saying that noise is more important than safety.

 

It's not really a science, but there are sciencey bits. Of the various manufacturers Michelin probably lead the pack for analytical abilities, other companies come up with good tires sometimes (my favorite tire on a Falcon was a Yokohama, but I wouldn't want to keep them very long). Michelin's QC is a factor of 2 better than some other manufacturers. It took one manufacturer two years to come up with a tire as good as our image tire, which was being produced in hundreds of thousands per year.



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Posted 28 August 2024 - 21:00

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We agree. The reference to gas engine tires was to ask why this particular video did NOT tell us about the trade-off(s)



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Posted 28 August 2024 - 21:26

I agree on the superiority of Michelin tires. For a number of years there, it seemed as though Michelin was manufacturing tires and everyone else was making black, approximately round things. Especially the U.S. tire makers. 

 

In fact, would have purchased Michelins in this most recent go-around except for this: Below is the recommended all-season tire for Tesla, the Cross Climate. I don't know what to make of this tread design. It's said to be extremely quiet, but I had doubts. 

 

I would expect that once the tire runs a few thousand miles, the tread ribs would wear at a slightly uneven rate and start to sing like an old snow tire. Now, I am told that the ribs are interconnected in some special, subtle way to prevent it, but I don't know about that. So I passed and went with the Hankooks. it was time to try something new and different anyway. A tire-buying adventure. If it doesn't work out I have no one to blame but myself. 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 29 August 2024 - 17:38

I agree on the superiority of Michelin tires. For a number of years there, it seemed as though Michelin was manufacturing tires and everyone else was making black, approximately round things. Especially the U.S. tire makers.

In fact, would have purchased Michelins in this most recent go-around except for this: Below is the recommended all-season tire for Tesla, the Cross Climate. I don't know what to make of this tread design. It's said to be extremely quiet, but I had doubts.

I would expect that once the tire runs a few thousand miles, the tread ribs would wear at a slightly uneven rate and start to sing like an old snow tire. Now, I am told that the ribs are interconnected in some special, subtle way to prevent it, but I don't know about that. So I passed and went with the Hankooks. it was time to try something new and different anyway. A tire-buying adventure. If it doesn't work out I have no one to blame but myself.




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I've got the CrossClimate tires on my PHEV. They are bit louder than the Hankook summertires the car was sold with, but less noisy than the Continental Wintercontact tires I used for winter driving.

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Posted 30 August 2024 - 13:00

Which Michelin tire is that?


It's the e-primacy. 235/14-18. But it's V rated. So not a 200km/t tyre!!

I think the first press cars. Might have had 200km/h rated Hankook tyres!

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Posted 01 September 2024 - 13:55

Quattroruote in their April issue found a remarkable difference of 137 km range difference in the urban cycle(!) in their Hyundai Kona EV testing simply by changing the wheels/tires to those speced for the Eco version onto the normal car. The Eco tires/wheels are 17", whereas the stocks are 19". Biggest downside noted were, unsurprisingly, an increase in braking distances.



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Posted 01 September 2024 - 16:51

It's the e-primacy. 235/14-18. But it's V rated. So not a 200km/t tyre!!

Not only 200 - V is 240 km/h



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Posted 03 September 2024 - 09:50

Desmo- same tire pressures? That is an astonishing difference, I hadn't thought rolling resistance due to construction was such a big contributor. eg fig 6 here shows a 40% change in RR gives a 5% change in energy consumption https://www.scienced...361920921003801

 

still, more data is good.



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Posted 03 September 2024 - 21:49

Agree, that sounds like a nutso difference . I notice none between my all season and X-Ice snow tires, on the B200.

Edited by 404KF2, 03 September 2024 - 21:50.


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Posted 04 September 2024 - 14:36

Quattroruote in their April issue found a remarkable difference of 137 km range difference in the urban cycle(!) in their Hyundai Kona EV testing simply by changing the wheels/tires to those speced for the Eco version onto the normal car. The Eco tires/wheels are 17", whereas the stocks are 19". Biggest downside noted were, unsurprisingly, an increase in braking distances.


The new Hyundai Ioniq 5 RWD long range looses 40km WLTP range (from 570 km to 530 km) by going from a 19" (235/55)to a 20" (255/45)(7%).

The Ioniq 6 RWD long range looses 69 km WLTP range (from 614 to 545 km) going from a 18" (225/55) to a 20" 245/40) (11%).
The 4WD version goes from 583 km to 519 km, loosing 64 km WLTP range (11%).

The Ioniq 6 is a much more efficient car and takes a bigger hit when using the larger tire. Allegedly because it disturbes some of the aerodynamics.

Being WLTP, it may not reflect what happens once you get the car on an actual road.

BTW, the Kona WLTP range drops from 508 to 472 km - 36 km (7%) - when going from 17" to 19" - a lot less then the urban cycle test by the Italian magazine suggests.

Edited by cbo, 05 September 2024 - 12:57.


#18 Greg Locock

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Posted 04 September 2024 - 14:59

These changes in ranges are useful, but we need to know the baseline to make it very useful.



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Posted 05 September 2024 - 12:58

These changes in ranges are useful, but we need to know the baseline to make it very useful.


I have amended my post - there was also some confusion between the old and new model of the Ioniq 5....

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#20 Greg Locock

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Posted 05 September 2024 - 17:19

Good job. 10%ish is still pretty surprising to me. Engine guys would kill for 10%



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Posted 06 September 2024 - 07:25

IMO all because:

 1. The very nature of an EV (regen braking, almost constant energy conversion efficiency) means a far higher proportion of the stored (battery) energy is expended on overcoming road losses (friction and drag) than ICE cars.

 2. EV designers are more focused on minimising road losses thanks to: a) the importance of range, b) the inability to make much improvement elsewhere (driveline).

 

Hence "range" is far more sensitive to friction and drag than an ICE car.



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Posted 06 September 2024 - 09:56

I am still marveling at the huge improvement with the Hankook Evo Ion tires and trying to rationalize it. Beats me, so far. 



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Posted 06 September 2024 - 09:56

rule of thumb is that regen reduces the urban cycle sensitivity to mass by 40% (that's an old Prius result). Another is that the loop of regen=> acceleration is about 60% efficient overall. So loss of KE by regen->battery-> motor =>gain of KE loses about 40%.



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Posted 08 September 2024 - 16:32

The late John Miles , of  Lotus F!, Lotus dynamics and Multimatic,  is the only top level car dynamics guy I have ever held a long conversation  with but as his CV was pretty impressive i wil trust this comment of his on tyre wear. " it's not high lateral forces which wear tyres out, it's high londitudinal forces"

 

On that basis I would suspect any EV with frequest or heavy  regen. would use its tyres faster?

 

Also it would be interesting to know if EV tyres have the wear index (WI) moulded in as do many tyres in USA. Given that the SCCA etc. mandate "200 or higher"  WI some cynics suggest ti's not too accurate on control tyres. However if it is put on EV tyres what is the number?

 

Speaking of teh SCCA an article  in Grassroots Motorsport magazine about racing , or at least lapping a Tesla was interesting. The one thing the tuner emphasied heavily was " use forged wheels" becuase Tesla's are heavy and cast ones are not safe. 

 

Do all l EV's use forged wheels or teh raod I wonder?


Edited by mariner, 08 September 2024 - 16:33.


#25 Greg Locock

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 07:23

Aftermarket alloy wheels are often gravity cast. We were not allowed to use them on public roads.



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 08:12

On that basis I would suspect any EV with frequent or heavy regen. would use its tyres faster?

 

Perhaps true for heavy regen on 2WD EVs. Even then it would be straightforward to:  limit the regen, add braking at the other axle if additional retardation is required, add braking at both axles at higher levels.

For AWD EVs it shouldn't matter how the retardation is applied.

In either case, electronically controlled braking should be capable of controlling slip percentage and potentially offer less tyre wear than manual braking.



#27 Greg Locock

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Posted 09 September 2024 - 08:24

I'd agree with John, the bulk of tire wear is in braking and acceleration, simply because in road use the accelerations are higher. Also when flat trac testing we only do the bare minimum of longitudinal testing as it chews the tire up faster than the lateral sweeps.



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Posted 09 September 2024 - 21:15

Getting back to EV tyre wear, the tyre wear resulting from deceleration is determined by the driver and not the fact of the car being an EV.



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 13:41

I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying I must not be following the reasoning that regen braking results in greater longitudinal wear than mashing the pedal with one's foot. 

 

The decel rates are similar to foot braking but more consistent. When I learned one-pedal driving with the Tesla, which has an aggressive regen program, I discovered that when I came out of the throttle, the car would brake itself to a stop right around where I would have, at the signal. That's my personal experience, anyway. 



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 15:01

yeah, you learn to raise your foot off the throttle to modulate regen. Very rarely do I touch the brakes, mostly when I am driving too fast/aggressive and of course i need to stop on a dime



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Posted 10 September 2024 - 21:55

Leaving the brake pedal alone is also an effective way to keep your Tesla Safety Score high. 

 

My Safety Score runs 97-98. I estimate that Full Self Driving might score around 70.

 

I'm not saying FSD drives in an unsafe manner, but it is considerably less smooth than I like to drive. 


Edited by Magoo, 10 September 2024 - 21:58.


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Posted 11 September 2024 - 05:12

Does air volume within the tire air chamber matter in automotive practice as it does in bicycles?  For decades among bicyclists it was accepted that lower volume tires at higher pressures will minimize rolling resistance. That's intuitive, right? Turns out not to have been true. I wonder if it could be as simple as smaller wheels and increased tire volume lowering rolling resistance in a similar way? 



#33 Greg Locock

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Posted 11 September 2024 - 07:30

In 1992 Michelin developed a solar racing tire for us-up until then the consensus had been that Avocet BMX tires with natural rubber inner tubes were the way to go. They also sent a nice graph of rolling resistance of a vehicle vs tire pressure. If you take the pressure too high you pump more energy into the dampers, thereby increasing RR. I'd guess we had more air volume than the Avocets, but the big change is that instead of a long thin CP, we had a short wide one.



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Posted 15 September 2024 - 23:07

I can report one negative property in the Hankook Evo Ion tires: they tramline a bit.

 

On concrete roads with longitudinal rain grooves, they are a little wiggly. Certainly not significant but noticeable. 



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Posted 16 September 2024 - 19:24

EV tirewear - cybertruck owners moaning that if they do burnouts (longitudinal traction) the tires wear.

 

Well, whiny self entitled gits yes, that's how the world works.

 

https://www.thedrive...ting-6000-miles

 

I can kill (and have killed) a set of street tires in 400 miles. On public roads. Without getting arrested.



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Posted 16 September 2024 - 20:31

In wore a front set of new Michelin XZX out in a weekend at the slalom track on my R-5 in 1979. Those were hockey puck hard.



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Posted 23 September 2024 - 14:23

Wait wait wait…burnouts cause tire wear? 🤣

How is it the economic class that swing a car payment (or cash transaction) of that size are surprised by the obvious?

#38 Magoo

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Posted 24 September 2024 - 14:38

I now have 1,750 miles on the Hankook Evo Ion tires, and I am still seeing energy consumption of 198 Wh/mi, compared to 219 Wh/mi with the Continentals. 

 

That's an improvement of 9.6 percent. From the tires alone. Beats me. 



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Posted 24 September 2024 - 17:48

The Contis were OEM fitment? Wow. Mind you there is a really stupid reg in the EPA that says you don't calculate the claimed mpg for each variant, you use some sort of average model. So my Everest on 18s had the same claimed mpg as it had on 20s, with about 50 kg of factory fit bits and bobs on it.



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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:50

It's the e-primacy. 235/14-18. But it's V rated. So not a 200km/t tyre!!

I think the first press cars. Might have had 200km/h rated Hankook tyres!

V is 140mph. H is 125 [200kmh] tyres



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Posted 01 October 2024 - 10:52

I now have 1,750 miles on the Hankook Evo Ion tires, and I am still seeing energy consumption of 198 Wh/mi, compared to 219 Wh/mi with the Continentals. 

 

That's an improvement of 9.6 percent. From the tires alone. Beats me. 

ALL new tyres roll nicer when new. Whatever brand. The more wear the less they roll and the more noise they generally make.



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Posted 02 October 2024 - 23:27

ALL new tyres roll nicer when new. Whatever brand. The more wear the less they roll and the more noise they generally make.

 

I don't think we would ever see such a significant reduction in rolling resistance with conventional tires. 



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Posted 06 November 2024 - 11:17

EV tirewear - cybertruck owners moaning that if they do burnouts (longitudinal traction) the tires wear.

 

Well, whiny self entitled gits yes, that's how the world works.

 

https://www.thedrive...ting-6000-miles

 

I can kill (and have killed) a set of street tires in 400 miles. On public roads. Without getting arrested.

Hoon!



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Posted 06 November 2024 - 11:21

The Contis were OEM fitment? Wow. Mind you there is a really stupid reg in the EPA that says you don't calculate the claimed mpg for each variant, you use some sort of average model. So my Everest on 18s had the same claimed mpg as it had on 20s, with about 50 kg of factory fit bits and bobs on it.

Low profile tyres will NEVER roll as nice as a taller tyre. Never ride as nice either. Or carry a load as well. But hey they look racy!

Yes they will give better grip on corners as well as braking,, presuming it is a nice road without all the usual wear and tear on roads from heavy vehicles. And heavy vehicles on low profile tyres!  Like EVs



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Posted 23 November 2024 - 02:38

This thread seems as good as any. https://www.designfa...rearticle&pn=01

 

(Deep Drive wheel-motor technology partners with BMW)

 

My big takeaway reading the attached article is this

"It's alarming to realize that from plug to wheel, more than 40% of electric energy is wasted in the current state of EV technology," says Rosen. "While electric motors boast high efficiency of over 95% at high output power, the story changes when operating at lower power levels. Friction losses, iron losses, and splashing losses in the gearbox lead to a drastic reduction in efficiency during low-power operation."

 

Here is their efficiency map and one for a more conventional EV motor. There is a dramatic improvement in light load efficiency and the absence of a reduction gear will improve things further.

 

 

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Posted 23 November 2024 - 05:16

Diffs in particular chew through power and are especially inefficient at low torques. One big advantage of an EV is you can get rid of the diff by using two motors.



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Posted 24 November 2024 - 21:39

Hypoid gearsets are horrible for mechanical loss but some EVs use them. 



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Posted 14 December 2024 - 06:41

As someone who sells tyres there is a LOT of fallacy in all of this.

EV tyres are generally far more load rated as the the things are so heavy. Very important. Speed rating not so much. Though most remotely performance tyres are V  [140mph]rated. H [125mph] is an old rating, still very relevant but after all apart from the Autobahns most countries only allow us to do 110kmh. Mmany tyres are W rated these days. I have seen Y and ZR rated ones as well.

 

Profile?? A lot of crap about that. The lower the profile the worse the ride, the more tyre noise and more damage to the vehicle and the wheels. . And generally more drag as well. Doesnt matter what brand, super expensive Euro tyres or elcheapo China tyres. High price does not make a better tyre. More expensive tyres SHOULD be better though frequently are NOT. Better than the budget tyre yes, better than a medium price tyre often not.

Generally accepted that 18" is about the practical limit in rim size. 35 or 40 profile. Bigger is wanker stuff. That includes OEM. Aussie Top Gear proved that, the 19s 20s etc had less grip and far poorer ride. I guess there maybe exceptions. Have seen no end of damaged tyres and vehicles with the bigger stuff. Some people only care about LOOK.

Personal experience. My 14 FG Falcon traytop came with very knackered OEM 16 LT tyres. Needed alloys to dress it up a bit. I found a set of factory 17s, fitted brand new correct to compliance 17" tyres. First time I loaded it with less than a 1000km. Max 3/4 of a ton so in the load parameters. 0lb in the tyres and they literally looked flat. Found some air [not easy in a small country town on a Sunday] inflated them to 45lb and was fine on the way back. 200k trip. Got back off the highway and the rears were quite warm and were near 55psi. SO I removed the wheels and sold them on and fitted 16s with correct load LT tyres to OEM. No more issues. Far safer loaded as well. 

A friend tried to tow a racecar intersate with his Ford with factory 18s. Very luckily he had a full size spare [another major issue] as the trad delaminated. He had 40lb in them which is factory setting, more may have been better. Fairly new premium brand tyres on a fairly new car.

SWo when you try to carry a family, the dog and a boot full of goods and chattels remember all this and fit the smalles size wheels the OEM recomends. Never the wankmaster look at me junk.

I see expensive tyres coming off, so often lumpy and weird wear patterns. Use possibly, some have gone very noisy the reason they are being removed. Plenty of tread but not good on a better quality car. I have never removed a modern Michelin without the beads tearing either being removed or refitted. As you do for a proper puncture repair. Which plugs never are. Some people have luck fitting them, not me!  I put a proper patch on the inside. Some people dont want a patch,, buy a new tyre. No choice! Tyres will puncture, especially around road or building construction. TEK screws a very common culprit. Or bolts. This is where people realise that a $200 tyre is better than a $1000 one

 

Cheaper tyres? Peole waffle about getting 40000 km from a tyre and a cheaper one only gets 30k. True. The cheaper tyre is literally half the money. So for the same money you can get 60k. Think about it! And there will never be anything like a new tyre. As they wear they never drive as nice. Whatever brand and many get decidedly noisy as well.

 

Grip?  Many waffle about more grip,, even with graphs with different brands. Some may well be true. But grip is subjective. A tyre good in the rain is often poor in the dry. Or vice versa. And varies from model to model.

 

Rotation? So many waffle crap about rotating tyres. Never do it. Even every 5000km. A front tyres wears as a front tyre, ditto as a rear. A rear on the front will tramtrack and follow the patches on the road. A front tyre on the rear [on RWD cars] will never have the same grip. This is simple physics. And with at least 10000km service intervals these days the tyres will be very grumpy out of place.

 

Rims,,,, forged rims are generally better as well as can be lighter. Though THINK. A wheel will be thinner to be lighter. Forging increases density = heavier.

Most OEM wheels are cast. Various methods all with their own issues. Some are far better than others. A good wheel has some maleability, others are very hard and crack easier.

Most OEM manufactures also make aftermarket wheels. In some cases the same wheel finished differently. For well less than half the price. Both OEM and dealers fit aftermarket on new cars, and have done for over 50 years here in Oz.

Here in South Oz we had numerous manufacturers At least 7/8 brands 40 years ago. Now NONE. The last ROH still make wheels but in the Philipines the rest buy from 'their' factories generally in Asia. China, Thailand, Taiwan and Korea and a bit from Vietnam that I know of.

I have seen quite a lot, most are ok, some are poor and I avoid them where possible. Usually the cheapest and to me at least the ugliest!

 

Some have mentioned US tyres,, in my experience the Yanks could NEVER manufacture decent tyres. The best of a bad bunch are probably Goodrich. At least in 4wd tyres which are fairly good. American tyres though [on US made cars OEM] have killed plenty. 70s Wankmaster GT bias belt crap. Like a dog on wet lino. Radials while better are still square should to be W I D E and drive like crap and wear funny as well. I used to get some dreadfull US tyres, very wide, impossible to inflate round. I hated selling them but the demand was there. Now Nankang, fit, inflate, balance. Easy and so much better to drive on.

GM in Australia perpetuated that. Monaros and Torana sporty models. Square shoulder bias belt **** tyres!! Try winning Bathurst on those,,,, The smart people had them removed and radials fitted before they left the dealer. In those days Michelin ZX. Far better but not a blingy! Bruce Mcphee won Bathurst on those. In 68! By 71/72 all those cars had better radials.

Ford and Chrysler were better with their performance models with radials fitted. Performance radials?? Maybe not but still better.By 75 most OEM tyres were radials though GMH never got there until about 77,,, with Radial Tuned Suspension.



#49 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 14 December 2024 - 06:46

Hypoid gearsets are horrible for mechanical loss but some EVs use them. 

Hypoid diffs were common. 9" Ford the best known.  And they drag power and fry the oil. This is all hypoid diffs. 

EVs have lots of bottom end torque so that style of diff is probably a nesecity. 

The good thing is puts the pinion far lower so needs a smaller tailshaft tunnel.



#50 Greg Locock

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Posted 14 December 2024 - 20:16

We were not allowed to use aftermarket wheels on public road. As an ex wheel engineer I know why. We sourced most of our wheels from Castalloy and a few from ROH. The funniest thing is European alloy wheels in Australian conditions, I used to get through 1 or 2 a year on gravel roads.