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[Flyhigh]

Everyone's favourite driver Frank Gluecock

Brazilian F1 broadcaster tend to already have the humor of 8 graders, you add a guy name "Colapinto" in a racing series whre he is going "hard" behind everyone, passing people left and right and you can imagine how Brazilian broadcaster are having fun...  

[ensign14]

I do enjoy a profound discussion about what name someone ought to use, held between dozens of us posting under assumed names.

 

Are you critiquing Mr and Mrs 14?

[prty]

I believe Jarno Trulli was named after a Finnish motor bike racer, Jarno can't be his true name then because it's not Italian.

But Jarno is his first name isn't it?

[DeKnyff]

But Jarno is his first name isn't it?

 

AFAIK, first and only name.

[prty]

AFAIK, first and only name.

Yeah that's my point, he didn't choose between two possibilities how he wanted to be called, so it's not comparable.

Edited by prty, 14 October 2024 - 13:36.

[PayasYouRace]

AFAIK, first and only name.

His middle name wasn’t “Treno”?

[tyker]

I think the main thing is not him choosing to use the name Kimi over Andrea, but people on here calling him Kimi over Antonelli. It's normal to use a surname except when more familiar with a driver (Lewis, Max maybe, but not Esteban, Kevin) and you wouldn't generally use a given name for some F2 driver who hasn't made his F1 debut yet.

I think I said this earlier, but I think people are only calling him Kimi (over Antonelli) because they are familiar with Kimi Raikkonen. If he had a different first/middle name, he'd be Antonelli.

So it's not him trying to be Kimi Raikkonen; it's people on here trying to make him Kimi Raikkonen!

I'm sure people perhaps type the shorter name just out of laziness, I've seen some just type initials we may refer to Antonelli just as AKA.

Edited by tyker, 14 October 2024 - 14:21.

[KWSN - DSM]

In a sport riddled with drivers throughout history racing as, and being known under names which were not their Christian or given name - I find it bemusing how the sheer audacity of Andrea Kimi Antonelli having a preference to be called Kimi is seen as somehow something underhanded.

[tyker]

But Jarno is his first name isn't it?

You pointed out that Kimi is not Italian, neither is Jarno they are both Finnish names, like I said my Father chose to go by his middle name, I don't think that you can dictate that people should go by their first name.

[noikeee]

The guy could quite conceivably race for 20 years, I'm really looking forward to this discussion of the last couple of pages over and over again for the next 20 years................................

[tyker]

In a sport riddled with drivers throughout history racing as, and being known under names which were not their Christian or given name - I find it bemusing how the sheer audacity of Andrea Kimi Antonelli having a preference to be called Kimi is seen as somehow something underhanded.

Sergio Michel Perez Mendoza somehow managed to get called Checo Perez.

Edited by tyker, 14 October 2024 - 14:27.

[KWSN - DSM]

Sergio Michel Perez Mendoza somehow got managed to get called Checo Perez.

 

Indeed, as a tangent to the 'controversy' of Kimi wanting to be called Kimi there were a lot of drivers listed who we know under different names than what their actual name is for example Kimi Raikkonen not being named Kimi Raikkonen.

[tyker]

Indeed, as a tangent to the 'controversy' of Kimi wanting to be called Kimi there were a lot of drivers listed who we know under different names than what their actual name is for example Kimi Raikkonen not being named Kimi Raikkonen.

Indeed he has a hyphenated first name Kimi-Matias.

Edited by tyker, 14 October 2024 - 14:30.

[ensign14]

In a sport riddled with drivers throughout history racing as, and being known under names which were not their Christian or given name - I find it bemusing how the sheer audacity of Andrea Kimi Antonelli having a preference to be called Kimi is seen as somehow something underhanded.

 

I think it's a bit stupid.  He's going to be behind Kimi Classic in terms of name-branded merch and social media.  Needs to carve his own identity AND THE INITIALS AKA ARE RIGHT THERE.

 

But he should avoid Special AKA for the same reasons.

[tyker]

I think it's a bit stupid.  He's going to be behind Kimi Classic in terms of name-branded merch and social media.  Needs to carve his own identity AND THE INITIALS AKA ARE RIGHT THERE.

 

But he should avoid Special AKA for the same reasons.

That's what might happen but Kimi is the name bestowed on him as a small child, what he got called, despite his Father being a racing driver he actually wanted him to be a footballer, this is the path Antonelli chose for himself and because of that he apparently needs to change the name he's always been referred to as.

[Sterzo]

Indeed, as a tangent to the 'controversy' of Kimi wanting to be called Kimi there were a lot of drivers listed who we know under different names than what their actual name is for example Kimi Raikkonen not being named Kimi Raikkonen.

We should proclaim Antonelli as the one true Kimi, and denounce the followers of the false Kimi. Should keep the thread going.

[KWSN - DSM]

We should proclaim Antonelli as the one true Kimi, and denounce the followers of the false Kimi. Should keep the thread going.

 

Kimi is not Kimi, neither were Kimi ever Kimi, they are both false Kimi's.

[MikeTekRacing]

Yeah that's my point, he didn't choose between two possibilities how he wanted to be called, so it's not comparable.

people I know with multiple names always have a preferate name they want to be called by (or at least one they like more and identify more with).

Nothing new, again

[MikeTekRacing]

Kimi is not Kimi, neither were Kimi ever Kimi, they are both false Kimi's.

it's too early on a Monday for me to understand that.
But you are probably right. 

[KWSN - DSM]

10 seasons ago it appears our standards were not the same as those we are setting for Kimi... Result of 2014 WDC:

1. Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton 
2. Nico Erik Rosberg
3. Daniel Joseph Ricciardo
4. Valtteri Viktor Bottas
5. Sebastian Vettel
6. Fernando Alonso Díaz
7. Felipe Massa
8. Jenson Alexander Lyons Button
9. Nicolas Hülkenberg 
10. Sergio Michel Pérez Mendoza
11. Kevin Jan Magnussen
12. Kimi-Matias Räikkönen
13. Jean-Éric Serge Raymond Vergne
14. Romain David Jeremie Grosjean
15. Daniil Vyacheslavovich Kvyat
16. Pastor Rafael Maldonado Motta
17. Jules Lucien André Bianchi
18. Adrian Sutil
19. Marcus Thorbjörn Ericsson
20. Esteban Manuel Gutiérrez Gutiérrez
21. Maximilian Alexander Chilton
22. Kamui Kobayashi
23. William Jonathan Richard Stevens

[onemoresolo]

I can't wait for this tedious name chat to disappear with time. Reminiscent of when Cristiano Ronaldo was just breaking through in football.

[JRodrigues]

I can't wait for this tedious name chat to disappear with time. Reminiscent of when Cristiano Ronaldo was just breaking through in football.

 

But we all know who the real Ronaldo is!

[noikeee]

I can't wait for this tedious name chat to disappear with time. Reminiscent of when Cristiano Ronaldo was just breaking through in football.

You mean Cristiano Aveiro

[ensign14]

 

 

 

Adrian Sutil

 

 

eff me, he was even boring in that

[MikeTekRacing]

eff me, he was even boring in that

as long as you kept him away from glasses.

His most unboring moment was a spin in Australia I think? right over the finish line. 

[Myrvold]

10 seasons ago it appears our standards were not the same as those we are setting for Kimi... Result of 2014 WDC:

• Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton
• Nico Erik Rosberg
• Daniel Joseph Ricciardo
• Valtteri Viktor Bottas
• Sebastian Vettel
• Fernando Alonso Díaz
• Felipe Massa
• Jenson Alexander Lyons Button
• Nicolas Hülkenberg
• Sergio Michel Pérez Mendoza
• Kevin Jan Magnussen
• Kimi-Matias Räikkönen
• Jean-Éric Serge Raymond Vergne
• Romain David Jeremie Grosjean
• Daniil Vyacheslavovich Kvyat
• Pastor Rafael Maldonado Motta
• Jules Lucien André Bianchi
• Adrian Sutil
• Marcus Thorbjörn Ericsson
• Esteban Manuel Gutiérrez Gutiérrez
• Maximilian Alexander Chilton
• Kamui Kobayashi
• William Jonathan Richard Stevens

One thing is for sure. I expect some members here to forever write Nicolas and not Nico when writing about Hülkenberg.

[prty]

You pointed out that Kimi is not Italian, neither is Jarno they are both Finnish names, like I said my Father chose to go by his middle name, I don't think that you can dictate that people should go by their first name.

Yes but you apparently missed the point of why I pointed it out. It's not even about being an Italian name or not.

Edited by prty, 14 October 2024 - 17:15.

[Clatter]

10 seasons ago it appears our standards were not the same as those we are setting for Kimi... Result of 2014 WDC:

• Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton
• Nico Erik Rosberg
• Daniel Joseph Ricciardo
• Valtteri Viktor Bottas
• Sebastian Vettel
• Fernando Alonso Díaz
• Felipe Massa
• Jenson Alexander Lyons Button
• Nicolas Hülkenberg
• Sergio Michel Pérez Mendoza
• Kevin Jan Magnussen
• Kimi-Matias Räikkönen
• Jean-Éric Serge Raymond Vergne
• Romain David Jeremie Grosjean
• Daniil Vyacheslavovich Kvyat
• Pastor Rafael Maldonado Motta
• Jules Lucien André Bianchi
• Adrian Sutil
• Marcus Thorbjörn Ericsson
• Esteban Manuel Gutiérrez Gutiérrez
• Maximilian Alexander Chilton
• Kamui Kobayashi
• William Jonathan Richard Stevens

So glad that kvyat didn't go by his middle name.

Edited by Clatter, 14 October 2024 - 17:15.

[Clatter]

Is going by the name Kimi something he has only just started, or has it been since he was a kid?

[Beri]

As far as I have seen in the past, he always went with his full name; Andrea Kimi Antonelli. Kimi is just a name that stuck more often and was easier to use by fans. So I guess that is the only reason we, as fans, talk about Kimi. And not Antonelli or Andrea. Which is kinda strange because the proper journalists do call him by his full name and the fans never talked about Pauli Hakkinen or Matias Raikkonen, but do opt for naming this kid Kimi.

 

Example 1 (2018): Kart | Andrea Kimi Antonelli in OKJ with Rosberg Racing - Minardi

Example 2 (2019): Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS F1 Team op X: 'Introducing the two youngest members of the Mercedes junior programme...  Andrea Kimi Antonelli - 12 years old, Italy Alex Powell - 11 years old, Jamaica The boys are both racing in karting this year and we can’t wait to follow their progress! https://t.co/QyXFV3TKpv' / X

Example 3 (2021): CAMPIONATO ITALIANO ACI KARTING - Andrea Kimi Antonelli vince anche a Sarno e passa in testa nel Campionato Europeo FIA Karting OK (acisport.it)

Edited by Beri, 14 October 2024 - 17:39.

[garoidb]

Lewis Carl Davidson Hamilton was named after the black American Olympic and World Champion sprinter Carl Lewis.

 

Interestingly, his parents reversed Carl Lewis to Lewis Carl and then called him by the athlete's surname (which is also a first name). Had they not that done that, they could still have referred to him as Lewis on the basis of it being one of his names. I wonder if they just liked the name Lewis better than Carl or if the whole tribute idea came after they had decided on Lewis as a name anyway. 

[garoidb]

I may have posted this before but I wonder if the Kimi F1 brand is being considered here. Basically, could whether he is named after the original Kimi F1 driver rather than having received the name by a totally independent route affect his entitlement to certain branding rights? It's strange that there seems to be some backtracking on whether he was named after Kimi Raikkonen.

 

Edited to add: see for example the legal dispute between Kylie Minogue and Kylie Jenner over the Kylie brand. One was world famous before the other was born (a parallel to the two Kimis).

Edited by garoidb, 14 October 2024 - 18:01.

[NewMrMe]

If middle names causes this much trouble all I can say is that it is a good job Ferdinand Habsburg never made it to F1.

 

His full name being Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus Keith Michael Otto Antal Banham Leonhard Habsburg-Lothringen.

Edited by NewMrMe, 14 October 2024 - 18:52.

[Frood]

We already have Carlos Sainz Vázquez de Castro Senamor Rincon Rebollo Virto Moreno de Aranda Don Per Urrielagoiria Pérez del Pulgar.

Edited by Frood, 14 October 2024 - 19:20.

[MikeTekRacing]

I may have posted this before but I wonder if the Kimi F1 brand is being considered here. Basically, could whether he is named after the original Kimi F1 driver rather than having received the name by a totally independent route affect his entitlement to certain branding rights? It's strange that there seems to be some backtracking on whether he was named after Kimi Raikkonen.

 

Edited to add: see for example the legal dispute between Kylie Minogue and Kylie Jenner over the Kylie brand. One was world famous before the other was born (a parallel to the two Kimis).

named after the original Kimi F1 is not an argument in a court of law. No names are original, nobody can brand your name. So what if his parents found inspiration from Raikkonen? He can't forbid others from being called the same and if they make it in F1 well, it is what it is. 

You can call your kid Cristiano Ronaldo, the chances of him actually being good at football are still going to be slim. 

[Myrvold]

Is going by the name Kimi something he has only just started, or has it been since he was a kid?

 

I've only ever heard him say Kimi himself. E.g from 2022: 

 

As far as I have seen in the past, he always went with his full name; Andrea Kimi Antonelli. Kimi is just a name that stuck more often and was easier to use by fans. So I guess that is the only reason we, as fans, talk about Kimi. And not Antonelli or Andrea. Which is kinda strange because the proper journalists do call him by his full name and the fans never talked about Pauli Hakkinen or Matias Raikkonen, but do opt for naming this kid Kimi.

 

Example 1 (2018): Kart | Andrea Kimi Antonelli in OKJ with Rosberg Racing - Minardi

Example 2 (2019): Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS F1 Team op X: 'Introducing the two youngest members of the Mercedes junior programme...  Andrea Kimi Antonelli - 12 years old, Italy Alex Powell - 11 years old, Jamaica The boys are both racing in karting this year and we can’t wait to follow their progress! https://t.co/QyXFV3TKpv' / X

Example 3 (2021): CAMPIONATO ITALIANO ACI KARTING - Andrea Kimi Antonelli vince anche a Sarno e passa in testa nel Campionato Europeo FIA Karting OK (acisport.it)

 

Doesn't this tend to change as drivers gets more known? Or do you stick with Ayrton Senna da Silva as well as that was used before he got to F1?

 

EDIT: I mean, when did Carlos Sainz jr become Carlos Sainz? When did Jacques Villeneuve become Jacques Villeneuve Sr. (and unless he actually had a son himself named Jacques Villeneuve, is he technically a Sr.?)

Edited by Myrvold, 14 October 2024 - 22:09.

[Bleu]

So glad that kvyat didn't go by his middle name.

 

Russians use patronymic names. So the middle name is because his father's name is Vyacheslav.

[BRG]

Interestingly, his parents reversed Carl Lewis to Lewis Carl and then called him by the athlete's surname (which is also a first name). Had they not that done that, they could still have referred to him as Lewis on the basis of it being one of his names. I wonder if they just liked the name Lewis better than Carl or if the whole tribute idea came after they had decided on Lewis as a name anyway. 

Actually, he is more correctly called Sir Lewis Carl Davidson Larbalestier Hamilton since he adopted his mother's family name.

 

As for Signor Antonelli, I think the suggestion to call him AKA is a sound one that should satisfy eeveryone.

 

Also Known As.....

[IrvTheSwerve]

The guy could quite conceivably race for 20 years, I'm really looking forward to this discussion of the last couple of pages over and over again for the next 20 years................................

 

Who knows, he may become such a feature of the sport that Kimi Raikkonen is seen as 'the other' Kimi...

[PlatenGlass]

 

 

 

 

I want to know what happened to P Sleeman and why he didn't go on to become the GOAT. Presumably Paul Sleeman https://www.ards.co....0/paul-sleeman/ Not much about him.

 

Edit - The image didn't come up in the quote. Just scroll up a bit.

Edited by PlatenGlass, 15 October 2024 - 12:04.

[Collombin]

I want to know what happened to P Sleeman and why he didn't go on to become the GOAT

I feel a bit better now about my 1983 prediction that Andrew Gilbert-Scott would be the 1988 WDC. Probably based on a list like this. I was only out by one.

[PayasYouRace]

Edit: I was surprised Brundle didn’t feature on that list. But looking at the 1993 F3 season, Brundle won all his races after that article was published.

[Collombin]

That 1983 F3 season was my first motorsport encounter with dropped scores affecting scenarios - Brundle (somehow) led the championship going into the last race, yet Senna could have afforded to finish 2nd to Brundle in the last race and still won the title (as long as Brundle didn't get fastest lap point). In the event, Senna won the race anyway.

[PlatenGlass]

Edit: I was surprised Brundle didn’t feature on that list. But looking at the 1993 F3 season, Brundle won all his races after that article was published.

Yeah, I seem to remember hearing that Senna won all the first 9 races or something.

Edit - Yep. https://en.m.wikiped...ee_Championship

Edited by PlatenGlass, 15 October 2024 - 14:37.