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[mclarensmps]

I've put it down as a Maybe for now, because Ferrari have been really strong in the two most recent races, that share similar-ish characteristics. Let's see what they do in Singapore (where Sainz does really well), and see where it ends up. I think they are probably going to remain in the mix for the remainder of the season. It's been such a good Season so far! 

[brucewayne]

I've put it down as a Maybe for now, because Ferrari have been really strong in the two most recent races, that share similar-ish characteristics. Let's see what they do in Singapore (where Sainz does really well), and see where it ends up. I think they are probably going to remain in the mix for the remainder of the season. It's been such a good Season so far!

Only if they are competitive in Austin.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Ferrari are in the hunt but McLaren are the favourites, they have a car for all tracks and seasons at the moment so it’s hard to look beyond them.

[Flyingfinn]

Ferrari has an outside chance, but Mclaren should take it. It would be very optimistic to think that Ferrari can fight for the constructors.

[LolaB0860]

McLaren 544

Red Bull 504

Ferrari 496

[STRFerrari4Ever]

An outside shot because just when you think you know who’s going to be fastest, the form flips again but they have a chance with 6 races in 8 weeks.

[Anderis]

Imagine predicting after first 5 races that Red Bull may end up P3 in WCC this year.

[Tiakumosan]

Imagine predicting after first 5 races that Red Bull may end up P3 in WCC this year.

Or after last year …

[garoidb]

 

McLaren 544

Red Bull 504

Ferrari 496

 

 

Still a gap to make up but some DNFs from McLaren could make it very interesting. They have every chance of being ahead of Red Bull, all things considered. 

[LolaB0860]

An outside shot because just when you think you know who’s going to be fastest, the form flips again but they have a chance with 6 races in 8 weeks.

 

Yes but there's still maximum of 250 points in offer in the constructors championship, which is quite a lot.

 

This weekend's net gain was:

Ferrari 55

Red Bull 29

McLaren 28

[LolaB0860]

This weekend's net gain was:

Ferrari 55

Red Bull 29

McLaren 28

 

And this weekend

 

Ferrari 41

McLaren 22

Red Bull 8

 

They will win it. Ferrari has the most consistent driver pairing by far at the moment, paired up with the great upgrades.

Edited by LolaB0860, 27 October 2024 - 21:55.

[F1Frog]

What an extraordinary throw it would be if McLaren don’t win either title. I do think they will hang on but it looks like being crazily close.

Somehow I don’t think they will have the best car next year and I am already thinking Leclerc and Ferrari are the favourites.

[Ste678]

Hunt? Ferrari has this in the bag.

[LolaB0860]

What an extraordinary throw it would be if McLaren don’t win either title.

 

That alone makes 2024 classic

[garoidb]

Imagine if Bearman's points made the difference at the end of the season!

[ARTGP]

What an extraordinary throw it would be if McLaren don’t win either title. I do think they will hang on but it looks like being crazily close.

 

It would be somewhat fitting?  Ferrari has had a technical and operational intervention that has gone massively under the radar this year because of the Mclaren hype.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ferrari now has the same number of wins as Mclaren this year? 

Edited by ARTGP, 28 October 2024 - 01:04.

[Wuzak]

It would be somewhat fitting?  Ferrari has had a technical and operational intervention that has gone massively under the radar this year because of the Mclaren hype.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ferrari now has the same number of wins as Mclaren this year? 

 

Yes, they do.

 

5 each (Norris 3 and Piastri 2 for McLaren, Leclerc 3 and Sainz 2 for Ferrari).

[Flyingfinn]

Not only same number of wins, but same number of podiums too. And out of the 20 races so far, both McLaren and Ferrari are at 10-10 each when it comes to race points. Ferrari had the the edge in the first third, McLaren in the second third, and the final third is now neck and neck.

[jonklug]

Not only in the hunt,  they'll win it now. Which perhaps should raise questions as to why Leclerc isn't in this title fight. 

Edited by jonklug, 28 October 2024 - 07:10.

[Beri]

Will be interesting to see how many points Ferrari can make up when Piastri is qualifying where he should. I reckon Ferrari being the better car for now. But it's marginally.

[sterlingfan2000]

Ferrari will get the title. Piastri is just slow

[AlexS]

Arrogance continues... Piastri won Baku, Ferrari and Leclerc gave him the win but he was there for taking.

[Benchulo]

Not only in the hunt, they'll win it now. Which perhaps should raise questions as to why Leclerc isn't in this title fight.

Well if Perez and McLaren were maximising their points, Ferrari would have been further back.

Edited by Benchulo, 28 October 2024 - 09:47.

[Ferrim]

McLaren haven't won a WCC since 1998, just one year after Williams' last.

This is because of the Spygate DSQ, but still surprises me as McLaren remained strong all the way through 2012.

[Laster]

Mclaren definitely seem to be in the pound seat, Piastri has unfortunately had two disastrous qualifyings in a row, but he's no Perez. He'll be back up there not as consistently as Norris but enough.

Ferrari meanwhile I honestly don't know how they managed to stay in the hunt when they had seemed to struggle midseason, but they've really come out swinging in recent races and put themselves in contention. Leclerc is quick and Sainz is consistent with the odd big performance like Mexico and Australia.

Meanwhile I am absolutely certain Red Bull are out of the hunt. Perez is just so poor and incapable of beating anyone in the top 4 teams, and Max hasn't been able to win a race since the start of the year. The car has been poor for a long time now with no signs of any recovery, so they're no longer a part of this.

The battle is between Mclaren & Ferrari and I honestly have no idea which way it's going to go.

[Brawn BGP 001]

Gap now 35, looking like damage limitation for Ferrari.

[SCUDmissile]

I think Max WDC and McLaren WCC is about right for the season

[LolaB0860]

COTA Net Gain

Ferrari 55

Red Bull 29

McLaren 28

 

Mexico Net Gain

Ferrari 41

McLaren 22

Red Bull 8

 

Interlagos Net Gain

Red Bull 32

McLaren 27

Ferrari 20

 

Standings after Interlagos

McLaren 593

Ferrari 557

Red Bull 544

 

Remaining Constructor Points

Grand Prix 132

Sprint 15

[PitViperRacing]

Probably too much for Ferrari to make up now. I think the constructors top 3 is set.

Edited by PitViperRacing, 04 November 2024 - 21:25.

[ARTGP]

Poor weekends in Singapore and Brazil have really weakened their challenge. It's not over though. They can easily go 1-2 in Las Vegas and Abu Dhabi.  These were Ferrari tracks last year. 

Edited by ARTGP, 05 November 2024 - 00:28.

[LolaB0860]

Yeah I mean the gap is 36 points, which you can surpass even in a single race

Edited by LolaB0860, 05 November 2024 - 06:46.

[MRX94]

I would say the chance has gone at this point. McLaren should be a lot better in Qatar, Abu Dhabi will probably be even between them, and Las Vegas has cold temps which is bad for this year's car.
Also Charles is still looking at a possible penalty for new PU parts, he has been lifting and coasting a lot in the recent races to cool the engine.

[garoidb]

The gap between leaders McLaren and second place Ferrari in the WCC table is now 24 points with two race weekends left. This could still be tight, especially if Ferrari close up a bit more at the next race.

[Flyingfinn]

On paper McLaren should win. Qatar is expected to be McLaren's stomping ground, but it's too close to rule out at the moment. A freak race and Ferrari could end up leading.

[BertoC]

Ferrari after Monza is fast in all kind of circuits, so Qatar wont be a walk in park for Mclaren. And AD is historically a Ferrari strong track. But I still think title will be decided by a DNF for the looser team.

Edited by BertoC, Today, 14:03.

[STRFerrari4Ever]

Ferrari have a sprint weekend and a normal weekend left, if they can somehow finish ahead of McLaren with both cars again and be fighting for the win then it could be on the cards. We’ll have a clearer picture by the end of Saturday evening whether or not the title is still on as we’ll have had a sprint race and normal qualifying to gauge the relative pace of the two cars.

[Flyingfinn]

Ferrari after Monza is fast in all kind of circuits, so Qatar wont be a walk in park for Mclaren. And AD is historically a Ferrari strong track. But I still think title will be decided by a DNF for the looser team.

 

But Mclaren after its recent upgrades is also faster on medium and high speed corners. Case in point - Brazil in dry conditions. So while Ferrari could be second best in Qatar, if Mclaren takes a 1-2 then game over. Not to forget it's a sprint race. Ferrari suffers the most at high speed corners.

[BertoC]

But Mclaren after its recent upgrades is also faster on medium and high speed corners. Case in point - Brazil in dry conditions. So while Ferrari could be second best in Qatar, if Mclaren takes a 1-2 then game over. Not to forget it's a sprint race. Ferrari suffers the most at high speed corners.

Mclaren only had ONE 1-2 all season and a double podium only 3 times, I hope they manage another at Qatar, but I highly doubt. Realistic goal should be outscore Ferrari at Qatar and manage at AD.

[RedRabbit]

Ferrari and McLaren have been closely matched since Monza and only the small details in execution have made the difference.

I can't agree that Ferrari has better drivers though. It's really closely matched with the tipping point towards McLaren being that Norris and Piastri have the least crash damage of all drivers by a significant amount.

Their combined totals are less than Charles, who has been the better of the Ferrari duo.

That alone has probably made the difference in WCC score.

[Flyingfinn]

Ferrari and McLaren have been closely matched since Monza and only the small details in execution have made the difference.

I can't agree that Ferrari has better drivers though. It's really closely matched with the tipping point towards McLaren being that Norris and Piastri have the least crash damage of all drivers by a significant amount.

Their combined totals are less than Charles, who has been the better of the Ferrari duo.

That alone has probably made the difference in WCC score.

Great points here. I think in the second half both cars are kinda equal. Ferrari has done very well to emerge from it's mid season slumber to fight for the Championship. It's gonna be a fun final two races.

[Claudius]

Both teams love to throw points away so it’s hard to know which way it will go.