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[SophieB]

Engine manufacturers Honda and Alpine have both committed a “procedural breach” of the Formula 1 cost-cap regulations, says governing body the FIA.

Honda is the partner of world champions Red Bull while Alpine is the supplier for the Renault-owned team of the same name.

A statement from the FIA did not detail the specifics of the breaches, which took place in the 2023 season, but said neither had exceeded the spending limit.

A procedural breach typically would revolve around discrepancies in the filing of financial information.

The FIA said that both Honda and Alpine had “acted at all times in good faith” and were “co-operating” with the FIA’s cost-cap administration team “to finalise the matter”.

The FIA said it was proposing that both enter into a so-called ‘accepted breach agreement’, meaning the competitor agrees they have broken the rules and accepts some form of sanction.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/cn47e8l2897o

[IrvTheSwerve]

Spent too much on the sushi and escargot?

[Clatter]

So no overspend, filled the paperwork incorrectly?

It does raise the interesting question of what would happen if the PU manufacturer did breach the cost cap. Would it affect team results in any way?

[PayasYouRace]

“…neither had exceeded the spending limit. A procedural breach typically would revolve around discrepancies in the filing of financial information.“

BORING!

[Broekschaap]

So no overspend, filled the paperwork incorrectly?

It does raise the interesting question of what would happen if the PU manufacturer did breach the cost cap. Would it affect team results in any way?

Several penalties are possible including points deduction for driver and teams. It is possible to make a distinction between the nominated team and the customer team. In case of a procedural breach there need to be aggravating elements before it can effect the team.

 

Oh and maybe i should add that this is only possible from 2026 and further

Edited by Broekschaap, 11 September 2024 - 10:38.

[FLB]

What I hate about this is the lack of transparency from the FIA about the actual violations (Did the numbers between Viry-Châtillon and Enstone not match at first? Or they came a bit late? Etc.     )

 

 

The good thing is that all is OK now, but after the Piastri Debacle, 'Alpine' and 'administrative issues' is not something pleasant... nor all that surprising.

Edited by FLB, 11 September 2024 - 10:53.

[pdac]

Sounds more like the FIA want some money out of them.

[Broekschaap]

What I hate about this is the lack of transparency from the FIA about the actual violations (Did the numbers between Viry-Châtillon and Enstone not match at first? Or they came a bit late? Etc.     )

 

 

The good thing is that all is OK now, but after the Piastri Debacle, 'Alpine' and 'administrative issues' is not something pleasant... nor all that surprising.

We will know more (obviously not everyting) when they enter an ABA.

[FirstnameLastname]

Didn’t tick the correct box on a form, give us a few million quid. Ta.

[kumo7]

what is the point of this finding? will Max now lose his title or what?

Edited by kumo7, 12 September 2024 - 12:38.

[Broekschaap]

Don't you think it would be more logical to strip Alonso his 2026 title?

[pdac]

what is the point of this finding? will Max now lose his title or what?

 

As stated above ... the point is that the FIA can impose a fine on the teams (meaning the FIA will have more, much-needed, cash).

[Broekschaap]

So we ended up with two ABA's.

 

600.000 USD for Honda and 400.000 USD for Alpine.

 

https://www.fia.com/...en-honda-racing

[STRFerrari4Ever]

So we ended up with two ABA's.

600.000 USD for Honda and 400.000 USD for Alpine.

https://www.fia.com/...en-honda-racing

Who’s pocketing the $1m? Maylander has been mostly AWOL this season so he won’t get a cut.

[jcbc3]

He crashed one of the show cars earlier this year. Maybe it's to cover the repairs?

[Mc_Silver]

“…neither had exceeded the spending limit. A procedural breach typically would revolve around discrepancies in the filing of financial information.“

BORING!

Everybody knows it's not about procedures. I hate politics in the sport.

[BRG]

So now three out of the ten F1 teams have cooked the books?  And the other seven haven't been caught yet.

 

 

EDIT:  Sorry, misread this.  These are the engine builders.  But my comment still stands.  Two or the four engine builders and one team have cooked the books, the other eleven haven't been caught yet.

Edited by BRG, 30 October 2024 - 09:54.

[Stephane]

So now three out of the ten F1 teams have cooked the books? And the other seven haven't been caught yet.

probably