433 replies to this topic

[SophieB]

Golly! Messy conclusion to the Baku race. Who do you think caused that, or was it just a racing incident?

[RekF1]

Mostly Sainz. It's quite funny listening to people on the radio when they fake being shocked "what just happened?"

[Massa]

Perez for sure. He was behind, had all the space on the left.

Carlos went straight and was put on the wall

[thefinalapex]

50/50 for me, more unlucky then malicious.

[Diablobb81]

I'll leave it to the stewards since it isn't clear just from images.

My impression is that it was more on Sainz.

[Currahee]

Need to see more angles. But right now how can anyone blame Perez? He done nothing wrong. I may change my mind when I see more footage. I reckon something broke on Sainz car causing it to veer left.

[Taxi]

It's dificult, but didn't Perez had plenty of space on the left? Sainz coudn't go any more to the right. I would say racing incident with a bit more blame into Sergio. 

Edited by Taxi, 15 September 2024 - 12:53.

[MJB5990]

I've only seen one replay overhead but it looked like Sainz moved an inch left, Checo an inch right and that was it.

[Kao18]

100% Sainz seeing it live without replays. Checo did nothing wrong on the inside going straight while Sainz moved from his line when there was no need to as he had space.

[DJH63]

Not really much to say, Sainz got it wrong, it happens.

[SilverArrow31]

Voted other because I want to say both.. they seemed to drift into each other.

[P123]

Need replays.  More than a little clumsy. 

[Spillage]

My initial reaction was that it was more on Sainz but I think it's a racing incident. They just sort of drifted into one another.

[Al.]

Honestly can't tell. Gut says Sainz as Checco would have seen where Sainz was and would have no incentive to drift into the Ferrari, he had a run on the inside. Needs some Sky Pad analysis.

[Disgrace]

It seemed to me that they were fighting over Leclerc's tow. Hence Sainz drifting slightly left to follow Leclerc. Perez could have seen it coming and just didn't react.

[Al.]

If they both are judged to have moved a bit, then probably no action as the outcome was the same for both.

[skid solo]

Perez’ fault he had plenty of room to his left

[DJH63]

It seemed to me that they were fighting over Leclerc's tow. Hence Sainz drifting slightly left to follow Leclerc. Perez could have seen it coming and just didn't react.

Last part is irrelevant. Perez is fully alongside and doesn’t have to back out, Sainz simply had a situational awareness failure.

[DJH63]

Perez’ fault he had plenty of room to his left

This is not, nor ever has been the rules of F1….

[aljaxon]

I've only seen one replay overhead but it looked like Sainz moved an inch left, Checo an inch right and that was it.

sainz one inch checo  about 4

 

 

just seen the replay, sainz is moving slowly no sudden moves to his left. checo just keeps going straigh. unfortunately straigh mena s contact. why didnt perez steer to his left?  only when contact was made did poerez go full lock to his right. which i thought happend just before contact but i got that wrong.

Edited by aljaxon, 15 September 2024 - 13:48.

[jonklug]

While Perez had more room to the left, it's Sainz who drives into him. He misjudged the space or expected Perez to keep moving to the left. IMHO it's a clear cut misjudgedment by Carlos.

[Disgrace]

Last part is irrelevant. Perez is fully alongside and doesn’t have to back out, Sainz simply had a situational awareness failure.

 

Well no, but he ended up in the wall, didn't he? A driver with more racing intelligence can easily avoid it.

[MissingApex]

I've only seen one replay overhead but it looked like Sainz moved an inch left, Checo an inch right and that was it.

Perez for sure. He was behind, had all the space on the left.

Carlos went straight and was put on the wall

Based on the helicam, Perez moves slightly the the left, not to the right (look at the lines on the road) but Sainz moves more the left which causes the collision. Slam dunk penalty for Sainz in my opinion.

I honestly can’t see how someone would blame Perez for this, it was all on Sainz.

[SB]

Racing incident to me.

 

Both seems not changed direction but unfortunately they are running too close but not absolute parallel (bring back your high school maths) exiting corner  and so they touched at last,

[flyboym3]

Racing incident/Perez, havent seen enough replays.

It looked like Perez acting the typical bigman being aggressive and unwilling to move. When Perez does this hard racing this is the risk of what happens. It looked like he was racing for himself but if he thought about the team for a moment and the predicament they are in with wcc then in hindsight he may have chosen to use the free tarmac to his left and collect alot of team points, at no point did Sainz not leave a car widths space.

Selfish selfish selfish.

But redbulls own fault for persisting with this clown.

Edited by flyboym3, 15 September 2024 - 13:09.

[Claudius]

I don’t get the argument ” he had room to his left”. It was a straight and Perez was driving straight from what I could see. He’s under no obligation to move to the left.

[AlexPrime]

Checo, I think. It was hilarious ending - proper Baku, the race always had brainfade moments

[DJH63]

Well no, but he ended up in the wall, didn't he? A driver with more racing intelligence can easily avoid it.

Which is irrelevant to the question of who caused the collision. Sainz did by drifting 2 car widths across the track into the car alongside him.

[PassWind]

Gonna just keep it real simple

Two guys one bit of track.

[F1Frog]

Often you move across on a straight to tighten the other driver’s angle into the corner. Sainz ultimately moved into Perez so I think it is more on him from a penalty point of view but it was very easy to avoid from Perez who was too close to Sainz and had plenty of space so poor from both drivers from a throwing away points point of view.

[kawakibi]

https://twitter.com/...303782021730709 perez's onboard

Edited by kawakibi, 15 September 2024 - 13:17.

[prty]

Perez was behind so he in theory could see what the car in front is doing. This is nothing new when going defensive, the car in front covers and the car behind follows so that they don't crash. And this is legal as long as there's enough room for the car behind (given that it is alongside, like in this case).

However, in this case you can see the low sun ahead, so it can be that Perez could not fully see Sainz's car. Still, if one is to blame, it is Perez.

 

If you see Leclerc's trajectory ahead going to the left, Perez's position was the abnormality, not Sainz's

 

https://x.com/Sparve...303782021730709

https://x.com/dianac...303947315159231

Edited by prty, 15 September 2024 - 13:22.

[NotAPineapple]

For what its worth, the track along that straight curves to the left and the racing line also crosses one entire painted lane to the left. This was exactly the line the Sainz was taking when the contact occurred.

[sportyskells]

Is Perez close to that same point as the already served his ban Kevin?

[Beri]

Watch the onboard of Sainz. Sainz never moved his steering wheel. So totally on Perez.

[TomNokoe]

The track gently curves left. Hard to call. I am leaning Sainz.

[Laster]

Looking at the replays the impression I got was Sainz moved across while Perez was going straight. Perez does have space to his left but Sainz moves away from the wall on the right towards the middle of the track and that causes the contact. Had he held his line there wouldn't have been contact.

[sterlingfan2000]

It's 100% on Perez and he's already being investigated. He's probably getting a 10 Grid Penalty next race

[sportyskells]

There might be a saving grace for who ever gets the penalty both was classified as both did 90% of the race so keep that in mind 

[Disgrace]

Which is irrelevant to the question of who caused the collision. Sainz did by drifting 2 car widths across the track into the car alongside him.

 

Good luck with that defence on the road. If someone has right of way, there's still a good chance they'll be found liable if they're too stubborn to avoid an accident theoretically caused by someone else.

[Bendo]

https://twitter.com/...303782021730709 perez's onboard

Clearly shows right steering inputs despite him being able to clearly see Sainz drifting over to the left.

Quite why he would elect to drive into another car is beyond me, but evidently he chose to.

[Nicktendo86]

I’m leaning towards Perez at fault but need more angles.

[Beri]

Then how did Sainz get from the kerb across two sets of painted lines? 

Just watch the onboard of Sainz. Sainz rounded the corner and accelerated out of it with his steering wheel straight. One correction for wheels pint but otherwise straight.

Totally on Perez.
https://youtube.com/...gxrJIwgn1DtzugT

[Currahee]

Watch the onboard of Sainz. Sainz never moved his steering wheel. So totally on Perez.

Same with Perez onboard. He doesn't move his steering wheel either.

[Risil]

In all the excitement and high emotion I'm guessing neither of them had enough brain space left over to watch where the other was going.

[Beri]

Same with Perez onboard. He doesn't move his steering wheel either.

Yet he's the one behind. So he is the one needing to make evasive actions as Sainz is allowed to drive wherever he wants. If Perez wants to pass him, he needs to do it in a safe manner. Which also means not driving into Sainz.

[hayabusasc]

Racing incident for me, hopefully we won't be seeing people calling for race bans etc.

[NotAPineapple]

Same with Perez onboard. He doesn't move his steering wheel either.

Well he should because the track curves to the left.

Unless he wanted to squeeze Sainz out 😉

[DJH63]

Just watch the onboard of Sainz. Sainz rounded the corner and accelerated out of it with his steering wheel straight. One correction for wheels pint but otherwise straight.

Totally on Perez.
https://youtube.com/...gxrJIwgn1DtzugT

You have posted a video that shows absolutely nothing while confidently saying Sainz stays straight despite the factual evidence being that he moves off the kerb across two painted lines before contacting Perez. It’s one of the simplest decisions he stewards will ever be asked to make.

[DJH63]

Yet he's the one behind. So he is the one needing to make evasive actions as Sainz is allowed to drive wherever he wants. If Perez wants to pass him, he needs to do it in a safe manner. Which also means not driving into Sainz.

Now you’re just making up imaginary scenarios that do not exist in the F1 rule book.